High Idle Temps on Ryzen 7800X3D - Need Advice!

[jaya dinesh]

 

It's been over a month since I finished the build, and everything is working perfectly fine except for one strange phenomenon with the processor during idle conditions. I've noticed that in idle situations, the CPU temperature always stays around the 50-60°C range when checked in various apps like HWinfo, Ryzen Master, and my AIO software (Lian Li). However, under load (during gaming or productivity tasks), the temperatures are normal and as expected.

Things I have tried:-

1.       Repasted with Noctua NT-H1.

2.       Uninstalled and disabled armoury crate.

3.       Disabled integrated graphics.

4.       Tweaked BIOS settings such as curve optimizer, PPT limit, platform thermal throttle limit.

5.       Even ramped up the AIO and case fans to max for 10 mins.

 

Despite trying all the aforementioned methods the idle temps wouldn't budge and remained unchanged. However temps under load are greatly improved with CO -30 and 80c thermal limit. I am well aware that this chip is designed to handle these temps effectively but still a part of me is worried. It should be noted that I live in a warm region with an approx. room temp of 30c.

 

What further steps should I take from here? I believe I've tried every single solution I found on the internet, and I'm looking for some fresh insights.

 

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!

 

My specs

·         7800x3d

·         Asus tuf B650 plus wifi

·         Lian li galahad trinity II 360 AIO

·         Lian li SL-INF 120mm reverse blades

·         Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super.

·         Lian li o11 vision.

3x bottom intake

1x rear intake

3x side exhaust (AIO)

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, jaya dinesh said:

 

It's been over a month since I finished the build, and everything is working perfectly fine except for one strange phenomenon with the processor during idle conditions. I've noticed that in idle situations, the CPU temperature always stays around the 50-60°C range when checked in various apps like HWinfo, Ryzen Master, and my AIO software (Lian Li). However, under load (during gaming or productivity tasks), the temperatures are normal and as expected.

Things I have tried:-

1.       Repasted with Noctua NT-H1.

2.       Uninstalled and disabled armoury crate.

3.       Disabled integrated graphics.

4.       Tweaked BIOS settings such as curve optimizer, PPT limit, platform thermal throttle limit.

5.       Even ramped up the AIO and case fans to max for 10 mins.

 

Despite trying all the aforementioned methods the idle temps wouldn't budge and remained unchanged. However temps under load are greatly improved with CO -30 and 80c thermal limit. I am well aware that this chip is designed to handle these temps effectively but still a part of me is worried. It should be noted that I live in a warm region with an approx. room temp of 30c.

 

What further steps should I take from here? I believe I've tried every single solution I found on the internet, and I'm looking for some fresh insights.

 

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!

 

My specs

·         7800x3d

·         Asus tuf B650 plus wifi

·         Lian li galahad trinity II 360 AIO

·         Lian li SL-INF 120mm reverse blades

·         Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super.

·         Lian li o11 vision.

3x bottom intake

1x rear intake

3x side exhaust (AIO)

50-60c idle temps are perfectly normal on Ryzen 7000 CPU's. My 7700x does the same even with CO -30

Its completely normal, nothing to worry about.

No damage or harm is being done, leave it alone and continue gaming

 

[Lurick]

Exactly as @Hinjima said, it's 1000% fine and normal. My 7800x3D runs the same and it's completely fine and my room right now is 25C

[Dedayog]

13 minutes ago, jaya dinesh said:

 

It's been over a month since I finished the build, and everything is working perfectly fine except for one strange phenomenon with the processor during idle conditions. I've noticed that in idle situations, the CPU temperature always stays around the 50-60°C range when checked in various apps like HWinfo, Ryzen Master, and my AIO software (Lian Li). However, under load (during gaming or productivity tasks), the temperatures are normal and as expected.

Things I have tried:-

1.       Repasted with Noctua NT-H1.

2.       Uninstalled and disabled armoury crate.

3.       Disabled integrated graphics.

4.       Tweaked BIOS settings such as curve optimizer, PPT limit, platform thermal throttle limit.

5.       Even ramped up the AIO and case fans to max for 10 mins.

 

Despite trying all the aforementioned methods the idle temps wouldn't budge and remained unchanged. However temps under load are greatly improved with CO -30 and 80c thermal limit. I am well aware that this chip is designed to handle these temps effectively but still a part of me is worried. It should be noted that I live in a warm region with an approx. room temp of 30c.

 

What further steps should I take from here? I believe I've tried every single solution I found on the internet, and I'm looking for some fresh insights.

 

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!

 

My specs

·         7800x3d

·         Asus tuf B650 plus wifi

·         Lian li galahad trinity II 360 AIO

·         Lian li SL-INF 120mm reverse blades

·         Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super.

·         Lian li o11 vision.

3x bottom intake

1x rear intake

3x side exhaust (AIO)

One core may be reading a high temp but the heat output of the chip is low.  If you actually FELT heat coming off the machine at idle, I would worry.

 

 

[Stahlmann]

X3D chips just run hotter. My 5800X3D also idles around 50°C, occasionally spiking to 60°C while doing windows background tasks. And that's under custom water cooling.

[PDifolco]

47 minutes ago, jaya dinesh said:

 

It's been over a month since I finished the build, and everything is working perfectly fine except for one strange phenomenon with the processor during idle conditions. I've noticed that in idle situations, the CPU temperature always stays around the 50-60°C range when checked in various apps like HWinfo, Ryzen Master, and my AIO software (Lian Li). However, under load (during gaming or productivity tasks), the temperatures are normal and as expected.

Things I have tried:-

1.       Repasted with Noctua NT-H1.

2.       Uninstalled and disabled armoury crate.

3.       Disabled integrated graphics.

4.       Tweaked BIOS settings such as curve optimizer, PPT limit, platform thermal throttle limit.

5.       Even ramped up the AIO and case fans to max for 10 mins.

 

Despite trying all the aforementioned methods the idle temps wouldn't budge and remained unchanged. However temps under load are greatly improved with CO -30 and 80c thermal limit. I am well aware that this chip is designed to handle these temps effectively but still a part of me is worried. It should be noted that I live in a warm region with an approx. room temp of 30c.

 

What further steps should I take from here? I believe I've tried every single solution I found on the internet, and I'm looking for some fresh insights.

 

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!

 

My specs

·         7800x3d

·         Asus tuf B650 plus wifi

·         Lian li galahad trinity II 360 AIO

·         Lian li SL-INF 120mm reverse blades

·         Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super.

·         Lian li o11 vision.

3x bottom intake

1x rear intake

3x side exhaust (AIO)

Normal temp, my 7950X3D is "idling" atm at 53C (26C ambient) with a more basic aircooler (TR PA120)

Don't tweak PPT nor thermal limit it'll just degrade performance, unless you're doing a lot of really heavy multicore workloads, in gaming you'll be at 75C max

[jaya dinesh]

2 hours ago, Hinjima said:

50-60c idle temps are perfectly normal on Ryzen 7000 CPU's. My 7700x does the same even with CO -30

Its completely normal, nothing to worry about.

No damage or harm is being done, leave it alone and continue gaming

 

Phew! I am kind of relieved to see someone with same idle temps as me lol. I have -30 on my co and temp limit as 80 working fine so far. I set PPT to 75 and my temps were great but my mulit core freq too a massive hit, on R23 multi core load just got 4700 something so I went for temp limit and got 4825.   

[jaya dinesh]

2 hours ago, Dedayog said:

One core may be reading a high temp but the heat output of the chip is low.  If you actually FELT heat coming off the machine at idle, I would worry.

 

 

Oh cool. Glad to know that it is normal :).

[jaya dinesh]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

Normal temp, my 7950X3D is "idling" atm at 53C (26C ambient) with a more basic aircooler (TR PA120)

Don't tweak PPT nor thermal limit it'll just degrade performance, unless you're doing a lot of really heavy multicore workloads, in gaming you'll be at 75C max

You are right, my gaming temps are fine. Just idle temps are making me worried. 

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, jaya dinesh said:

You are right, my gaming temps are fine. Just idle temps are making me worried. 

Forgot to mention that 3D CPUs are hotter because the 3D cache thingie is stacked on top of the die, making it hotter by +10c idle to +20c at full load 

That's also why they locked clocks significantly lower than non 3D chips, -500MHz approx, to avoid overheating 

[Hinjima]

3 hours ago, jaya dinesh said:

You are right, my gaming temps are fine. Just idle temps are making me worried. 

Your idle temps are completely fine and you should only worry about load temps really ( And those are fine too!   )  

The CPU doesn't care if its 45c or 77c.. YOU do

[Dedayog]

50 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Your idle temps are completely fine and you should only worry about load temps really ( And those are fine too!   )  

The CPU doesn't care if its 45c or 77c.. YOU do

I think we're guided by physics.

 

Remember, heat is a product of work.  If we are at idle, that means no work (we know PC does some work at all times) .  So no heat should be generated.

 

So if you have no work yet sone heat...  Something is no jiving.

 

Now, if we allow that PCs never truly idle... Then we attribute that year to the single core doing background tasks and what not.

 

But please make sure to explain it in a way that the individual can understand based on his reaching his conclusion.

 

Their logic is not wrong, one of the variables in the equation is not what they assume it to be.

 

[Mark Kaine]

11 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

X3D chips just run hotter. My 5800X3D also idles around 50°C, occasionally spiking to 60°C while doing windows background tasks. And that's under custom water cooling.

 

So confusing.

 

 

(no PBO either,  completely stock)

 

 

9 hours ago, jaya dinesh said:

Oh cool. Glad to know that it is normal :).

it's apparently "normal" but a bit on the hot side... depends on your cooling setup and fancurves probably. 

 

 

[jaya dinesh]

Thank you all for your inputs. I have come to a conclusion that these temps are normal for my living and case conditions. I will update if I run into any problems under load. @Mark Kaine @Dedayog @Hinjima @PDifolco

[jaya dinesh]

15 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Forgot to mention that 3D CPUs are hotter because the 3D cache thingie is stacked on top of the die, making it hotter by +10c idle to +20c at full load 

That's also why they locked clocks significantly lower than non 3D chips, -500MHz approx, to avoid overheating 

On stock settings my CPU goes to Tjmax when running R23 multi core is that normal?. I thought my 360 AIO could keep it from hitting the Tjmax. I am also aware of the 7000 series staying at Tjmax all time to maintain the boost clocks but I heard many times 7800x3d is effecient chip so I figured it will be easier to cool as I have 360mm AIO. I have done some cure optimization and thermal limit. As I only game and don't use it for productivity stuff I have set a cap on temp at 80c. 

https://ibb.co/M1LMPrg 

[Stahlmann]

8 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

 

So confusing.

 

 

(no PBO either,  completely stock)

 

 

it's apparently "normal" but a bit on the hot side... depends on your cooling setup and fancurves probably. 

 

 

We've been having these conversations in a few threads already. Most evidence on the internet points towards you and @freeagent being outliers and probably silicon lottery winners. Most X3D chips run significantly hotter than yours.

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, jaya dinesh said:

On stock settings my CPU goes to Tjmax when running R23 multi core is that normal?. I thought my 360 AIO could keep it from hitting the Tjmax. I am also aware of the 7000 series staying at Tjmax all time to maintain the boost clocks but I heard many times 7800x3d is effecient chip so I figured it will be easier to cool as I have 360mm AIO. I have done some cure optimization and thermal limit. As I only game and don't use it for productivity stuff I have set a cap on temp at 80c. 

https://ibb.co/M1LMPrg 

Yeah, look at my 7950X3D in Cinebench (with a TR PA120 "upgraded" with 2x P120s Max)

It's "only" 86C hotspot because I've just booted the PC, it'll be TJMax 89C in an hour or so, ambient is 25C

But what's interesting is that you can see all of my CCD2 cores (the non 3D ones) are 20C lower (and yet they have higher clocks ,4.85GHz to 4.75 !)

So it's not really a cooling issue, it's just that the 3D chips get hot super quick

Unless you spend your days on Cinebench lol, I won't care if gaming temps are in the 70s, that's good

 

 

[jaya dinesh]

On 8/5/2024 at 5:31 PM, PDifolco said:

Yeah, look at my 7950X3D in Cinebench (with a TR PA120 "upgraded" with 2x P120s Max)

It's "only" 86C hotspot because I've just booted the PC, it'll be TJMax 89C in an hour or so, ambient is 25C

But what's interesting is that you can see all of my CCD2 cores (the non 3D ones) are 20C lower (and yet they have higher clocks ,4.85GHz to 4.75 !)

So it's not really a cooling issue, it's just that the 3D chips get hot super quick

Unless you spend your days on Cinebench lol, I won't care if gaming temps are in the 70s, that's good

 

 

That's a huge a delta between them. 

For fun I move my pc to a air conditioned room. These are the temps now

 

Lowest idle temp – 37.9

Highest idle temp – 41

R23 Single core load:- 

    Max - 53

    AVG - 49

Cyberpunk temps - same as R23 Single core load 

[Mark Kaine]

46 minutes ago, jaya dinesh said:

That's a huge a delta between them. 

For fun I move my pc to a air conditioned room. These are the temps now

 

Lowest idle temp – 37.9

Highest idle temp – 41

R23 Single core load:- 

    Max - 53

    AVG - 49

Cyberpunk temps - same as R23 Single core load 

while yes - of course ambient temps can make a difference, funny enough while playing OW my cpu "idles" at 49C, doesn't matter if my room is 18C or 26C... i know its odd, but just recently noticed... maybe my fancurves are just that good?

 

anyways glad you found a solution to the "problem"!