xplane 11 AMD £400 iGPU

[HippoPCBuilder]

Budget (including currency): £450

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: X Plane 11, Minecraft

Other details

I am upgrading from a Mac from 2020. This computer does not need to be amazing.

 

No peripherals needed, or an OS, as I will be running Linux.

Already have a PCPartPicker list, see below.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/txY6GP

Will be using a 1080p monitor at 60hz.

Is this a good part selection for a system I could upgrade in the future with a graphics card?

 

Mobo and ssd are both fine. I don't need to upgrade them.

 

I want to buy new. I want to use DDR5. Please do not make suggestions with used AMD 5000 series CPUs.

[Electronics Wizardy]

I'd use the stock cooler here, and drop the noctua fan. Those Noctua parts are a good part of the budget and don't help performance here, and noise is fine on the stock cooler.

 

I'd get a better wifi card or a board with wifi as those low end cards will limit your speed a lot often. 

 

I'd try to get faster memory if you can, 32gb might be worth considering.

[HippoPCBuilder]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I'd use the stock cooler here, and drop the noctua fan. Those Noctua parts are a good part of the budget and don't help performance here, and noise is fine on the stock cooler.

 

I'd get a better wifi card or a board with wifi as those low end cards will limit your speed a lot often. 

 

I'd try to get faster memory if you can, 32gb might be worth considering.

I'll consider dropping the Noctua but I'd rather keep it in case I upgrade CPU in the future.

 

My Internet connection is only 60 Mbps anyway: as the card is advertised as 300 Mbps will it limit my speed?

 

What DDR5 speed would you recommend instead? Obviously I don't need anything ridiculously fast, but how much faster should I go?

[HippoPCBuilder]

Oops, accidentally marked as resolved for 30 seconds. @Electronics Wizardy

[jaslion]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RyLVxH

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£119.95 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: MSI B550 GAMING GEN3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£35.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£63.49 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Antec AX20 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£37.50 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650BN 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£44.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £391.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-03 10:34 BST+0100

 

Put in a used 8gb rx580 and enjoy a WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better computer for your usecase.

 

The old one simply put would have been incredibly slow and sucked for even minecraft

[PDifolco]

2 hours ago, HippoPCBuilder said:

Budget (including currency): £450

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: X Plane 11, Minecraft

Other details

No peripherals needed, or an OS, as I will be running Linux.

Already have a PCPartPicker list, see below.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/txY6GP

Will be using a 1080p monitor at 60hz.

Is this a good part selection for a system I could upgrade in the future with a graphics card?

No no no !!

Expensive cooler, crappy memory, meh board, SSD too small...

I'd suggest this, drop the aftermarket cooler and use the stock one to save £15 if needed

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 4.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£163.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit V2 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£15.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M D3HP AX Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£109.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  (£87.12 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£52.55 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Aerocool Trinity Mini V2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CV550 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: £428.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-03 10:50 BST+0100

 

[HippoPCBuilder]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RyLVxH

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£119.95 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: MSI B550 GAMING GEN3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£35.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£63.49 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Antec AX20 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£37.50 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650BN 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£44.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £391.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-03 10:34 BST+0100

 

Put in a used 8gb rx580 and enjoy a WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better computer for your usecase.

 

The old one simply put would have been incredibly slow and sucked for even minecraft

Based on my comparisons, the CPU and iGPU are more powerful than a Mac M1. A Mac M1 can run Minecraft very well.

 

https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-5-8600G-vs-Ryzen-5-5600X

 

Also, I specifically want to use AM5 and DDR5 for their future upgradability.

55 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

No no no !!

Expensive cooler, crappy memory, meh board, SSD too small...

I'd suggest this, drop the aftermarket cooler and use the stock one to save £15 if needed

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 4.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£163.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit V2 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£15.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M D3HP AX Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£109.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  (£87.12 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£52.55 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Aerocool Trinity Mini V2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CV550 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: £428.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-03 10:50 BST+0100

 

Yes, an expensive cooler.

Memory: my alternative would be getting an AMD 5xxx and using DDR4. It should be fast enough.

Board: has what I need. What do I need on the B550 that the A620 doesn't have?

Ssd: big enough for me. What do I need to store on it? Anyway, if I need more space I have a spare m.2.

 

Ty for both your suggestions, I will consider dropping the cooler.

[PDifolco]

1 minute ago, HippoPCBuilder said:

Based on my comparisons, the CPU and iGPU are more powerful than a Mac M1. A Mac M1 can run Minecraft very well.

Yes, an expensive cooler.

Memory: my alternative would be getting an AMD 5xxx and using DDR4. It should be fast enough.

Board: has what I need. What do I need on the B550 that the A620 doesn't have?

Ssd: big enough for me. What do I need to store on it? Anyway, if I need more space I have a spare m.2.

 

Ty for both your suggestions, I will consider dropping the cooler.

Problem with AMD 5000 is that the iGPU is way slower, but if you only have very low graphics performance expectations it could work for cheap

B650 is just the go to chipset on AM5 boards, I never saw any A620 recommended anywhere, it's not that much expensive, and will be better for any future upgrade

240GB is now very tiny, I won't even use one for Windows alone, and price/GB isn't good. Sure Linux is lighter, but again getting at least 500GB is not that expensive and will last longer . If you're really tight on budget a 500GB SATA is £30 and you won't see much difference to a NVMe in daily usage

 

 

[HippoPCBuilder]

5 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Problem with AMD 5000 is that the iGPU is way slower, but if you only have very low graphics performance expectations it could work for cheap

B650 is just the go to chipset on AM5 boards, I never saw any A620 recommended anywhere, it's not that much expensive, and will be better for any future upgrade

240GB is now very tiny, I won't even use one for Windows alone, and price/GB isn't good. Sure Linux is lighter, but again getting at least 500GB is not that expensive and will last longer . If you're really tight on budget a 500GB SATA is £30 and you won't see much difference to a NVMe in daily usage

 

 

OK, thanks. I'll look into it.

[HippoPCBuilder]

34 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Problem with AMD 5000 is that the iGPU is way slower, but if you only have very low graphics performance expectations it could work for cheap

B650 is just the go to chipset on AM5 boards, I never saw any A620 recommended anywhere, it's not that much expensive, and will be better for any future upgrade

240GB is now very tiny, I won't even use one for Windows alone, and price/GB isn't good. Sure Linux is lighter, but again getting at least 500GB is not that expensive and will last longer . If you're really tight on budget a 500GB SATA is £30 and you won't see much difference to a NVMe in daily usage

 

 

What about this? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJC7R

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KhLVxH

5600 + 5700xt/2060s + 32gb 3200c16

 

a slight mix of new and used for convenience sake but still being good value for the price and not some garbage apu build that cant even keep up with a 40£ 4gb rx 570/580

 

an extra improvement that can be made would be buying a used rm850x or equivalent for ~50£ which will be alot more futureproof than a crappy 650w bronze unit and if you do abit of haggling and get lucky might even be cheaper than a new unit whilst being outright superior

 

gpu wise anything 100-150£ should be able to get things that perform like a 1070/1080 like the 5700xt 2060s etc.

 

for things that can help cut costs abit part wise you can save 30£ if you get a 3600 instead of a 5600 can also save 20£ if you halve the ram capacity otherwise there really isnt anything else worth cutting cost on

 

you could also just save the 50-100£ on a 1070/1080 class gpu like the 5700xt/2060s and get yourself a used rx 570/580 8gb for ~50£ thatd perform similarly to a gtx 1060 6gb and there really isnt any drawback to buying used polaris since theyve pretty much bottomed out in pricing and by the time you save up more cash for a used 6700xt or 3080 you can resell teh thing for around the same price you bought it for

[HippoPCBuilder]

10 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KhLVxH

5600 + 5700xt/2060s + 32gb 3200c16

 

a slight mix of new and used for convenience sake but still being good value for the price and not some garbage apu build that cant even keep up with a 40£ 4gb rx 570/580

 

an extra improvement that can be made would be buying a used rm850x or equivalent for ~50£ which will be alot more futureproof than a crappy 650w bronze unit and if you do abit of haggling and get lucky might even be cheaper than a new unit whilst being outright superior

 

gpu wise anything 100-150£ should be able to get things that perform like a 1070/1080 like the 5700xt 2060s etc.

 

for things that can help cut costs abit part wise you can save 30£ if you get a 3600 instead of a 5600 can also save 20£ if you halve the ram capacity otherwise there really isnt anything else worth cutting cost on

 

you could also just save the 50-100£ on a 1070/1080 class gpu like the 5700xt/2060s and get yourself a used rx 570/580 8gb for ~50£ thatd perform similarly to a gtx 1060 6gb and there really isnt any drawback to buying used polaris since theyve pretty much bottomed out in pricing and by the time you save up more cash for a used 6700xt or 3080 you can resell teh thing for around the same price you bought it for

I do not want to purchase a graphics card at this time. Nor do I want to buy used components. Sure, I probably should. But I won't. Please recommend new parts only.

[PDifolco]

21 minutes ago, HippoPCBuilder said:

What about this? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xqJC7R

You've kept the useless $50 cooler and crapslow RAM, whyyyy ?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 4.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£163.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit V2 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£15.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B650M-R Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-5200 CL36 Memory  (£57.49 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£34.79 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Aerocool Trinity Mini V2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CV550 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11a/b/g/n PCIe x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  (£13.24 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (£8.39 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £392.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-03 12:41 BST+0100

 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

6 minutes ago, HippoPCBuilder said:

I do not want to purchase a graphics card at this time. Nor do I want to buy used components. Sure, I probably should. But I won't. Please recommend new parts only.

then go with the other builds suggested or just buy a laptop since ryzen 8000 apus are just laptop cpus on am5, already got all the peripherals in one though youd probably want to buy a seperate mouse and also has wifi capabilities cause laptop

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cvGmXk

heres the best i can do all new and not have insufferable performance

 

performance will be equivalent to a used rx 570/580 and board is not gonna handle anything over a ryzen 7 but 32gb of ram which will be futureproof due to 10000+ capable hynix a die and if you want more igpu performance simply clock them up to 8000-9000

 

cost cutting to 16gb of ram will result in awful igpu performance due to garbage 8gb 1rx16 half rank ddr5 sticks that will lose to ddr4 in performance so if youd like to maintain any semblance of performance do not halve the ram capacity

[HippoPCBuilder]

1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

You've kept the useless $50 cooler and crapslow RAM, whyyyy ?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 4.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£163.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin Spirit V2 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£15.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B650M-R Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-5200 CL36 Memory  (£57.49 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£34.79 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Aerocool Trinity Mini V2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair CV550 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11a/b/g/n PCIe x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  (£13.24 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (£8.39 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £392.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-08-03 12:41 BST+0100

 

That... actually comes out at 464 pounds.