4060 Ti vs 3070

[Emillio]

So I want to upgrade my GPU from my crappy GT 1030 to a 3070 but when I see the benchmark, a 4060 Ti 8gb performs almost the same as the 3070. Also, the 4060 Ti power draw is less than 3070 for almost half of it. So my question is, is it true that the 4060 Ti 8GB performs the same as the 3070 with less power consumption? Also, is it worth going for the 4060 Ti than the 3070? Because I heard many people saying that the 60-class card at the 4000 generation from Nvidia is bad and such a joke.

[podkall]

Yeah they are similar, I'd get cheaper option.

 

Though it's also true that 4000 series 60 cards are joke.

 

They are slowly creeping to be good price/performance wise, and that's only because they used to cost more and nobody wants to buy them.

 

Even with stabilized prices, there are tradeoffs and missed out opportunities,

 

you can call it FOMO, but the difference can be quite insane,

 

the 4060Ti is like 60-80$ cheaper than RX 7800 XT,

 

the problem is how much more performance you can get if you pay less than 100$ more: (or you could potentially find cheaper 6800 XT, or some better second-hand option)

 

 

 

Then it goes south, with 4070 Super which is similarly fast as 7800 XT almost, costs more than 7900 GRE

 

 

[Salted Spinach]

4060Ti clearly outperforms the 3070. It also has frame generation support by Nvidia

 

The only downside is it can only use 8 PCIE lanes, which may be a problem if your motherboard or CPU does not support PCIE gen 4 or better

 

On the AMD side of things, look at the 7700XT or 6800

[Emillio]

5 minutes ago, Salted Spinach said:

The only downside is it can only use 8 PCIE lanes, which may be a problem if your motherboard or CPU does not support PCIE gen 4 or better

 

I only have a b350 mortar motherboard which doesn't support Gen 4 PCI lanes. Will it cause a performance penalty if I go with the 4060 ti?

[TatamiMatt]

20 hours ago, Emillio said:

I only have a b350 mortar motherboard which doesn't support Gen 4 PCI lanes. Will it cause a performance penalty if I go with the 4060 ti?

Yes, differently depending on the game, but it will impact performance, in some instances possibly quite a bit

[Emillio]

8 minutes ago, podkall said:

Yeah they are similar, I'd get cheaper option.

 

Though it's also true that 4000 series 60 cards are joke.

 

They are slowly creeping to be good price/performance wise, and that's only because they used to cost more and nobody wants to buy them.

 

Even with stabilized prices, there are tradeoffs and missed out opportunities,

 

you can call it FOMO, but the difference can be quite insane,

 

the 4060Ti is like 60-80$ cheaper than RX 7800 XT,

 

the problem is how much more performance you can get if you pay less than 100$ more: (or you could potentially find cheaper 6800 XT, or some better second-hand option)

 

 

 

Then it goes south, with 4070 Super which is similarly fast as 7800 XT almost, costs more than 7900 GRE

 

 

The reason I want to go to Nvidia is because of the power draw. I only have a 650w bronze power supply which is why I want to go Nvidia because the power draw is quite low. Idk about AMD, does AMD power draw also as low as Nvidia? And also if I go to the 3070, will my power supply that only has 650w be enough?

[Emillio]

3 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Yes, differently depending on the game, but it will impact performance, in some instances probably quite a bit

What about the 3070? will it impact performance if I only have a Gen 3 mobo?

[TatamiMatt]

4 minutes ago, Emillio said:

What about the 3070? will it impact performance if I only have a Gen 3 mobo?

no, 3070 runs on x16 lanes so gen 3 wont hurt it in the slightest. 

 

6 minutes ago, Emillio said:

The reason I want to go to Nvidia is because of the power draw. I only have a 650w bronze power supply which is why I want to go Nvidia because the power draw is quite low. Idk about AMD, does AMD power draw also as low as Nvidia? And also if I go to the 3070, will my power supply that only has 650w be enough?

Some AMD cards are quite power efficient, not just as much as some of NVidias but not far off either, 7800xt (4070S equivalent) runs on 263W max vs 4070's 200W and 4070S's 220W, so a little more but not massively so

[Emillio]

actually, how much is the 3070 and the 4060 ti in your country? Also, is it worth it and safe to buy used GPU? In my country, Indonesia, the used 3070 cost half less than the 4060 Ti new. And the cost of the new 3070 is around 1 million rupiah (about 150 USD) less than the 4060 Ti. Is it worth it?

[Emillio]

and also I wanna ask, is the raw performance of the 4060 ti and the 3070 the same without using DLSS or FG?

[Salted Spinach]

19 minutes ago, Emillio said:

I only have a b350 mortar motherboard which doesn't support Gen 4 PCI lanes. Will it cause a performance penalty if I go with the 4060 ti?

You will want a card that has EITHER full 16 lane connection OR ample amount of VRAM. Preferably the latter because I am not very hopeful about your RAM speeds on B350 platform

 

I propose you look for a 6800, 7700XT, 6800XT, or 7800XT. Your PSU will be able to handle any of them as even the most power hungry of the lot (6800XT) use only up to 300W which less than half of 650W

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7700-xt-pure/

 

 

[podkall]

59 minutes ago, Emillio said:

The reason I want to go to Nvidia is because of the power draw. I only have a 650w bronze power supply which is why I want to go Nvidia because the power draw is quite low. Idk about AMD, does AMD power draw also as low as Nvidia? And also if I go to the 3070, will my power supply that only has 650w be enough?

Depending on which PSU model exactly, and rest of your specs, you can get away with more powerful GPU, just not too powerful of course.

 

52 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Some AMD cards are quite power efficient, not just as much as some of NVidias but not far off either, 7800xt (4070S equivalent) runs on 263W max vs 4070's 200W and 4070S's 220W, so a little more but not massively so

yes the 7000 series, overall, the slower ones more the more powerful slightly less

 

7800 XT can run on 650W PSU, it just has to be a good one, which is determined by the exact model and it's manufacturer.

[jaslion]

What 650w psu?

 

Also something I haven't seen mentioned but 8gb of vram is NOT a lot and we can already easily see that in games. Sure lowering settings will get you back on a nice framerate but well that kinda sucks if you need to do that on a NEW gpu that can easily run the games at those settings if given the vram.

 

 

Good vid about this.

 

Btw 650w IF a good psu can do a radeon 7900gre no problem really.

[Emillio]

11 hours ago, jaslion said:

8gb of vram is NOT a lot

yeah that is why i'm only comparing it to the 3070 which also has 8gb of vram

[jaslion]

2 hours ago, Emillio said:

yeah that is why i'm only comparing it to the 3070 which also has 8gb of vram

Its also why I would look at alternatives since well amd has quite a few last gen and this gen available. Since a 4060ti is a 400-500$ card a 7800xt, 6800(xt), 7900gre maybe and 7700xt or 6700xt are for sure options

[Emillio]

does amd card good for productivity? and also dlss vs fsr which one better. one of my relatives told me that fsr is bad compare to dlss that is why they urge me to just go nvidia compare to amd. is that true?

[TatamiMatt]

1 minute ago, Emillio said:

does amd card good for productivity? and also dlss vs fsr which one better. one of my relatives told me that fsr is bad compare to dlss that is why they urge me to just go nvidia compare to amd. is that true?

It depends on what productivity youre doing, in some apps both cards perform more similarly, in some apps its entirely cpu bound so GPU doesnt matter, and in others NVidia takes the cake easily. 

 

A lot of people dont like FSR as it can be a little less nice but, me personally, i dont see a massive amount of difference and i quite like FSR in general. DLSS is the better option but with more raw power for less money and an upsacling/frame gen tech thats 99% the same is enough to sway me to AMD this generation

[podkall]

1 hour ago, Emillio said:

does amd card good for productivity? and also dlss vs fsr which one better. one of my relatives told me that fsr is bad compare to dlss that is why they urge me to just go nvidia compare to amd. is that true?

your GT 1030 doesn't use DLSS either, in fact the only option, it might only be able to use FSR in some games,

 

as far as productivity goes, it really depends what kind are you talking about,

 

there are programs like Photoshop that don't use GPU at all for it's tasks, or Video Editing, where GPU can help, but the main work on the project and timelines is handled by the CPU.

[Salted Spinach]

If in doubt, just go with the 4060Ti

 

It already outperforms the 3070, and has frame generation support on top.

 

Running on 8 lanes of PCIE gen 3 will not cause major problems unless you allow VRAM usage to exceed 8GB.

[QuantumSingularity]

If in doubt, go the old and proven way of 2nd hand RX 6800XT. Going with AMD, you will forget completely about FSR, because of AFMF. Unlike Nvidia's Frame Generation, it works in every game, because it's driver based, doesn't require FSR and ACTUALLY works, w/o adding a ton of latency and making your game feel like crap. Even on my 6900XT AFMF is always on despite the 1440p only resolution and the already 200+ FPS results. As for FSR vs DLSS - they are neck a neck. On is better for texture quality and ghosting, the other deals better with antialiasing and edges in the distance. T

[Salted Spinach]

1 hour ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If in doubt, go the old and proven way of 2nd hand RX 6800XT

Yeah I'd prefer he get a 6800 or 6800X or 7700XT or 7800XT as I said in a previous reply

 

But he has already exhibited the unexplainable aversion to AMD graphics and its just not worth my time to handhold and undo the brainwashing on every forum user

 

Besides, we dont even know if he has access to reasonably priced used cards with the preferred GPU. No idea about how safe it is to buy used in Indonesia. I do know the climate there tends to be warm and humid. Lack of air conditioning could make the 4060Ti a lot more attractive to him

[Emillio]

thanks for all of the advice guys. really appreciate. btw, the price for nvidia and amd in indonesia is probably almost the same even for the last gen cards. what are nvidia's exclusive that is really useful compare to AMD? if there is none, maybe AMD is also a good choice for me.

[starsmine]

On 7/22/2024 at 11:01 AM, Salted Spinach said:

4060Ti clearly outperforms the 3070. It also has frame generation support by Nvidia

 

The only downside is it can only use 8 PCIE lanes, which may be a problem if your motherboard or CPU does not support PCIE gen 4 or better

 

On the AMD side of things, look at the 7700XT or 6800

I would say the bigest downside is the 8gb of ram

even if the 4060ti has better average frame rates, it will have worse .1% frame times then the 4060ti in any modern game with ray tracing. there is no future for this card unless you only plan to keep it for one generation. 

[Mark Kaine]

On 7/22/2024 at 5:11 PM, Emillio said:

I want to go to Nvidia is because of the power draw. I only have a 650w bronze power supply

on that note 3070+5800x3D draw 500w max at full load on my system ( i have a corsair rmi which shows me exact power draw)