Posted July 20, 2024 Not buying a new laptop anytime soon but curious to know if the laptop with 13th and 14th gen chips are prone to this or not Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/ Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 20, 2024 From what I've seen, there are some reports that they do, though they admittedly seem more rare when compared to the desktop chips where it's a coin flip whether you have them or not. https://www.xda-developers.com/the-intel-cpu-instability-issue-laptops/ Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16470892 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 20, 2024 If this is what GN claims then it depends. Likely yes. For now assume that every Intel 7 product is faulty. The fine print is more difficult. IF this is it than it could be limited to a single fab or single batch of contaminated supply. It could also be a widespread issue that might not even be limited to "the" Intel 7 process if they use the same production step for other nodes/processes. If there was a time for intel to step up it is now. To clear up all the uncertainty and replacing educated guesses with information. The Declaration of Independence, once the charter of democracy, begins by saying that certain things are self-evident. If we were to trace the history of the American mind from Thomas Jefferson to William James, we should find that fewer and fewer things were self-evident, until at last hardly anything is self-evident. (G. K. Chesterton - Aug. 14 1926 (The Illustrated London News)) Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16470899 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 20, 2024 If the cause turns out to really be contaminated fabrication method and oxidation and those chips were made in the same fab as the desktop chips (which is most likely), then yes - they are 100% prone to the same instability issues. But it will require a bit more time for those issues to emerge, because of the lighter use. My guess is that with the mobile CPUs people would start to experience the issues right after their warranty runs out. | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 Rev 7| AsRock X570 Steel Legend | | 4x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 4000MHz CL16 | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | Seasonic Focus GX-1000| | 512GB A-Data XPG Spectrix S40G RGB | 2TB A-Data SX8200 Pro| Phanteks Eclipse G500A | Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16470920 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 20, 2024 Author 1 hour ago, FlyingPotato_is_taken said: If this is what GN claims then it depends. Likely yes. For now assume that every Intel 7 product is faulty. The fine print is more difficult. IF this is it than it could be limited to a single fab or single batch of contaminated supply. It could also be a widespread issue that might not even be limited to "the" Intel 7 process if they use the same production step for other nodes/processes. If there was a time for intel to step up it is now. To clear up all the uncertainty and replacing educated guesses with information. If Intel 7 is the issue, does that mean that 12th gen chips are also effected? I haven't heard any reports of 12th gen chips doing this (or I haven't looked far enough). My brother's laptop currently has an i7 12700h and it doesn't seem like there's any issue (for now) Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16470956 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 20, 2024 @Caveman0407 We don't see failures there like this which makes it harder to decide. Right now play it safe and assume all of Intel 7 is affected for new designs. For existing products it is a gamble one need to decide as part of risk evaluation/management. The Declaration of Independence, once the charter of democracy, begins by saying that certain things are self-evident. If we were to trace the history of the American mind from Thomas Jefferson to William James, we should find that fewer and fewer things were self-evident, until at last hardly anything is self-evident. (G. K. Chesterton - Aug. 14 1926 (The Illustrated London News)) Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16470976 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 20, 2024 Author 2 hours ago, FlyingPotato_is_taken said: @Caveman0407 We don't see failures there like this which makes it harder to decide. Right now play it safe and assume all of Intel 7 is affected for new designs. For existing products it is a gamble one need to decide as part of risk evaluation/management. I see. I asked my brother if he have had crashes and according to him, no unless he was fighting many bosses in Terraria or something. I'll still keep a close eye on his computer, hopefully his cpu doesn't self destruct Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16471079 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 21, 2024 The 12th gen is the good old base. It's the same thing that's been experimented on and pushed as far as it could go. 13th and especially 14th "gen" CPUs are nothing more than 12th gen on lethal dose of steroids. It's like adding a turbo and a nitro shot to a regular family car engine. Of course it's gonna give up at some point. | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 Rev 7| AsRock X570 Steel Legend | | 4x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 4000MHz CL16 | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | Seasonic Focus GX-1000| | 512GB A-Data XPG Spectrix S40G RGB | 2TB A-Data SX8200 Pro| Phanteks Eclipse G500A | Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16471606 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 21, 2024 I would say 12th gen is likely OK , it's been out longer and there's no real evidence to suggest a higher than average failure rate. CPU : Ryzen 7 7800X3D @ -30mv All core CPU Cooler : Thermalright Frozen Prism 240mm AIO Mobo : Asrock B650m Pro RS Wifi Ram : 32GB (2X16GB) Lexar Ares 6000MHZ CL 28-36-36-68 GPU : MSI Gaming X Slim 4070Ti Super 16GB ( 308W PL +140 Core +1000 Memory ) Storage : 2TB Verbatim Vi5000 Gen 4 NVME PSU : Thermalright TG-750w 80+ Gold ATX 3.0 PCIE 5.0 Case : Fractal Design Pop Mini MATX Case Fans : 3 X Thermalright TL-C12C-S RGB Monitor :27" Samsung Odyssey G5 2560 x 1440 180 HZ IPS Keyboard : HyperX Alloy Core RGB Mouse : Corsair M65 Elite RGB Headset : Corsair HS35 Gaming Headset Link to comment https://linustechtips.com/topic/1577114-do-the-laptop-variants-of-intels-13th-and-14th-gen-chips-have-the-same-instability-issue/#findComment-16471658 Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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