question Can somebody overview parts for my build

[nettspend]

My first time picking components (listed below and in the picture) and I want to get feedback, does everything match and fit? Will all of the components be utilized properly without bottlenecks and etc. Are the brands and models of the parts that I've chosen reliable?

Parts:

• Intel i7-14700K

• Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, 16 GB, GDDR6X

• Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI

• Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm

• Kingston Fury Beast, DDR5, 64 GB, 6000 MHz

• Samsung 980 PRO MZ-V8P1T0BW, M.2, 2 TB

• Western Digital Blue SN580, M.2, 2 TB x3

• be quiet! Straight Power 11 Plus Gold 1000 W, 13.5 cm

• Deepcool Morpheus

• be quiet! Pure Wings 3 PWM, 140 mm x 140 mm x4

Additional info:

Upgrading from an i5 9600k and a 1060.

Going to be using it for creative work (after effects, blender etc) and gaming (fortnite, cs 2, indie games and possibly VR)

Budget is limited to 3k euros (that's what the stuff I put together somewhat rounds up to, in my country)

Need 64gb of ram mainly for adobe software and a bunch of storage to store my projects, games and etc (also honestly don't feel like upgrading either of them later on)

PS: Not interested in AMD.

[Why_Me]

It all works together although I would look at 1x2TB M.2 SSD + 1x4TB M.2 SSD so that you don't suck up all the PCIe lanes. btw what country are you located?

[leclod]

You could do that, but it'd be a pity in my opinion.

If you haven't already, you should consider a 7800X3d, the current gpu to get if you can. With a thermal assassin or similar, if possible.

 

Edit : Just got to your "PS: Not interested in AMD. " Sorry

Edited July 11, 2024 by leclod

[nettspend]

1 hour ago, Why_Me said:

It all works together although I would look at 1x2TB M.2 SSD + 1x4TB M.2 SSD so that you don't suck up all the PCIe lanes. btw what country are you located?

Thank you for feedback! It is more expensive to get a 4TB drive rather than getting two 2TB drives tho

Plus having more drives is lowkey more fail safe imo and 8TB should be enough for me.

[jaslion]

Price?

 

That many ssds will cause an issue. You are running out of pcie lanes and if I understood the manual the link of your gpu will become pcie 4.0 x8. Which is totally fine for a 4070ti s.

 

Also if you just need mass storage why not a hdd? Also more drives = more fragmentation for you of your data since you are splitting lots into many locations.

[nettspend]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Price?

 

That many ssds will cause an issue. You are running out of pcie lanes and if I understood the manual the link of your gpu will become pcie 4.0 x8. Which is totally fine for a 4070ti s.

 

Also if you just need mass storage why not a hdd? Also more drives = more fragmentation for you of your data since you are splitting lots into many locations.

Total price is a bit above 3000€ as I mentioned in the post.

 

Oh, didn't know that m.2's affect gpu performance. If I'll get 3 m.2's instead of 4, will everything be fine then? Or should I opt for just 2?

 

Idk I just couldn't figure out if this motherboard even has SATA ports or no. And just from my experience, hard drives just tend to get slow overtime, so I kind of doubt their reliablity compared to ssds. About data splitting I've had multiple drives for years and I'm used to it.

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

Total price is a bit above 3000€ as I mentioned in the post.

 

Oh, didn't know that m.2's affect gpu performance. If I'll get 3 m.2's instead of 4, will everything be fine then? Or should I opt for just 2?

 

Idk I just couldn't figure out if this motherboard even has SATA ports or no. And just from my experience, hard drives just tend to get slow overtime, so I kind of doubt their reliablity compared to ssds. About data splitting I've had multiple drives for years and I'm used to it.

3k euro huh? No way... recently had a dude want the best for gaming CPU and best GPU, so 7800X3D and 4090 and came to under 3k eur...

 

That can't be right. Either way 3k for a i7 and 4070TI is a ripoff. Don't do it.

 

Where you live?

[Jeppes]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor  (€394.73 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€68.98 @ Aquatuning)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-S WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€171.78 @ Galaxus)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6600 CL32 Memory  (€252.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Lexar NM790 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€237.99 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Lexar NM790 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€237.99 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: Palit GamingPro GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1053.87 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Case: Corsair 3500X ATX Mid Tower Case  (€99.90 @ Galaxus)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX-850 ATX 3.0 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€129.60 @ Galaxus)
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 Max 81.04 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  (€34.90 @ Alza)
Total: €2682.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-07-11 10:45 CEST+0200

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

Total price is a bit above 3000€ as I mentioned in the post.

 

Oh, didn't know that m.2's affect gpu performance. If I'll get 3 m.2's instead of 4, will everything be fine then? Or should I opt for just 2?

 

Idk I just couldn't figure out if this motherboard even has SATA ports or no. And just from my experience, hard drives just tend to get slow overtime, so I kind of doubt their reliablity compared to ssds. About data splitting I've had multiple drives for years and I'm used to it.

I meant price for the individual components as 3k for this build is A LOT and honestly it kinda sucks for it.

 

Your board has sata so that is fine. It depends on what you store on the hdds. If its just mass file storage they should be plenty fast.

[nettspend]

27 minutes ago, venomtail said:

3k euro huh? No way... recently had a dude want the best for gaming CPU and best GPU, so 7800X3D and 4090 and came to under 3k eur...

 

That can't be right. Either way 3k for a i7 and 4070TI is a ripoff. Don't do it.

 

Where you live?

I live in the Baltics, inflation is just kind of crazy here.

I generally don't mind overpaying a couple hundred for having the convenience of easier returns if something doesn't work or will break.

[nettspend]

59 minutes ago, jaslion said:

I meant price for the individual components as 3k for this build is A LOT and honestly it kinda sucks for it.

 

Your board has sata so that is fine. It depends on what you store on the hdds. If its just mass file storage they should be plenty fast.

Okay, I might reconsider HDD's, but will 3 m.2's be fine or they still might take some of the performance and I should go with 2?

[Bagzie]

4 hours ago, nettspend said:

Thank you for feedback! It is more expensive to get a 4TB drive rather than getting two 2TB drives tho

Plus having more drives is lowkey more fail safe imo and 8TB should be enough for me.

Having more drives adds more points of failure unless you are running raid 4 or something.

 

Having 4 m.2 pcie drives is going to take your gpu down to 8 lanes.... maybe use sata ssds instead?

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

I live in the Baltics, inflation is just kind of crazy here.

I generally don't mind overpaying a couple hundred for having the convenience of easier returns if something doesn't work or will break.

They're not too crazy, a lot of people just want prestige name brand stuff and miss out on deals. Where in the Baltics? Latvia? If so Dateks.lv is competitive

[nettspend]

7 minutes ago, Bagzie said:

Having more drives adds more points of failure unless you are running raid 4 or something.

 

Having 4 m.2 pcie drives is going to take your gpu down to 8 lanes.... maybe use sata ssds instead?

Will three m.2's be fine or the best option is to go with just two?

[nettspend]

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

They're not too crazy, a lot of people just want prestige name brand stuff and miss out on deals. Where in the Baltics? Latvia? If so Dateks.lv is competitive

Not Latvia

A ~100€ markup on the msrp of the gpu and cpu really isn't that crazy tho

[venomtail]

2 hours ago, nettspend said:

Not Latvia

A ~100€ markup on the msrp of the gpu and cpu really isn't that crazy tho

Why you keeping Estonia or Lithuania a secret? 1a.lt / 1a.ee often had cheap prices. pigu.lt /kaup24.ee is also an option. 

[nettspend]

1 hour ago, venomtail said:

Why you keeping Estonia or Lithuania a secret? 1a.lt / 1a.ee often had cheap prices. pigu.lt /kaup24.ee is also an option. 

Because my main question wasn't about price.

Total is based on 1a prices.

Anyways, I'm thinking then two m.2's and just a regular ssd would be the best option?

[venomtail]

36 minutes ago, nettspend said:

Because my main question wasn't about price.

Total is based on 1a prices.

Anyways, I'm thinking then two m.2's and just a regular ssd would be the best option?

Well your question should be about price because you're about to overspend. PC building and its recommendations is extremely price sensitive.

I can already predict that you won't be needing that Z790 board. 

The PSU you're paying a ton for is the older version with no 12PWRM connector, meaning you'll have to use the GPU splitter. Why not just get a 2024 PSU?

Is there a specific reason you're getting a case with no fans to go out and buy fans separate? Usually you'll pay the same if not less by just buying a BeQuiet! case that comes with 4 fans.

That Samsung M.2 probably costs a fortune when the next best competitor is 1/2, 2/3 the price.

 

If you want to go ahead and buy these halo, mass marketed products, just unjustified spending is difficult to not point out. As long as you know you're paying extra for no real gain I'll sleep better.

 

Personally I'd just have one boot 500GB-1TB drive and one mass storage SSD. M.2 are also my preference simply because that means I don't have to mess around with cables, I'll pay the slight premium.

[nettspend]

43 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Well your question should be about price because you're about to overspend. PC building and its recommendations is extremely price sensitive.

I can already predict that you won't be needing that Z790 board. 

The PSU you're paying a ton for is the older version with no 12PWRM connector, meaning you'll have to use the GPU splitter. Why not just get a 2024 PSU?

Is there a specific reason you're getting a case with no fans to go out and buy fans separate? Usually you'll pay the same if not less by just buying a BeQuiet! case that comes with 4 fans.

That Samsung M.2 probably costs a fortune when the next best competitor is 1/2, 2/3 the price.

 

If you want to go ahead and buy these halo, mass marketed products, just unjustified spending is difficult to not point out. As long as you know you're paying extra for no real gain I'll sleep better.

 

Personally I'd just have one boot 500GB-1TB drive and one mass storage SSD. M.2 are also my preference simply because that means I don't have to mess around with cables, I'll pay the slight premium.

Well thank you, that's what you should've told me sooner!

I didn't know the PSU is old, can you recommend any new ones? Or tell me what's the spec called, that I can find them by?

This case comes with 3 fans and has great airflow with a bunch of big meshy openings that are not covered by glass like in most options, I just want additional fans to make it even better.

Samsung costs more than alternatives because it's faster and more reliable, or so they say, but I just don't mind spending a bit extra on the system drive that I will also have all my software and cache on.

 

Won't three M.2's affect the gpu speeds tho? Compared to if I get two of them?

I still don't fully understand this concept 

[brob]

31 minutes ago, nettspend said:

Because my main question wasn't about price.

Total is based on 1a prices.

Anyways, I'm thinking then two m.2's and just a regular ssd would be the best option?

 

Nothing wrong with using all available m.2 connections. After all if not used they become underutilized resources. That said, it seems to me that a 2TB system drive and a 4TB media drive should be more than enough.

 

While a single larger NVMe drive is more expensive than multiple smaller units, there are good reasons for paying the premium. A single large space offers better wear leveling. It also greatly simplifies file management. 

 

I would only use SATA drives for archival storage.

 

8 hours ago, nettspend said:

Plus having more drives is lowkey more fail safe imo and 8TB should be enough for me.

 

If one wants to have fail safety, use RAID arrays and frequent backups. Multiple independent drives are simply additional failure points.

 

10 hours ago, nettspend said:

Deepcool Morpheus

 

Are you sure that a Liquid Freezer III 420 will fit in this case? I have seen no measurements for max permitted AIO thickness. The Liquid Freezer III radiator is 11 mm thicker than most.

 

10 hours ago, nettspend said:

be quiet! Straight Power 11 Plus Gold 1000 W, 13.5 cm

 

The Straight Power 11 is not ATX 3.x compliant. Consider instead an ATX 3.x compliant PSU with native support for the 12VHPWR connector used by the GPU.

 

Be Quiet! Pure Power 12M, Dark Power 13, and Straight Power 12 are ATX 3.0 compliant. All major manufacturers offer ATX 3.x compliant models.

 

7 minutes ago, nettspend said:

This case comes with 3 fans and has great airflow with a bunch of big meshy openings that are not covered by glass like in most options, I just want additional fans to make it even better.

Samsung costs more than alternatives because it's faster and more reliable and I don't mind spending a bit extra on the system drive that I will also have all my software and cache on it.

 

Won't three M.2's affect the gpu speeds tho? Compared to if I get two of them?

 

Three case fans plus 3 on the AIO should be more than sufficient to establish good airflow. Adding more fans will not necessarily improve airflow and have the potential to disrupt it.

 

Check pricing on Samsung 990 Pro drives. They are a bit faster than 980 Pro and often have similar or better pricing.

 

An NVMe drive will not affect GPU bandwidth using the Prime Z790-A motherboard.

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

I didn't know the PSU is old, can you recommend any new ones? Or tell me what's the spec called, that I can find them by?

What @brob said.

 

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

This case comes with 3 fans and has great airflow with a bunch of big meshy openings that are not covered by glass like in most options, I just want additional fans to make it even better.

A lot of cases have mesh designs. From a cheap(ish) brand like Deepcool I'd expect other brands to have better airflow, be easier to build in and look better (of course also likely cost more). Not sure if going with a case with 3 fans, buying 4 extra fans (old gen 3 as well when gen 4 is out for the same price) and then slapping in a 420mm AIO that comes with 3 fans is the best use of money, you'll have like 3 fans left over at best didn't see side opening. For 200 eur that deepcool case is pricy. Prestige cases like Fractal Design North or Torrent cost less. Compatibility says 420mm AIO fits but there's gotta be some compromise somewhere. You'll have to figure that out when you get to that bridge. You said you don't like AMD but a Ryzen would be cooled enough from a simple air tower cooler, saves you money not needing to spend on such a pricy AIO and then a pricy case to fit said huge radiator.

 

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

Samsung costs more than alternatives because it's faster and more reliable, or so they say, but I just don't mind spending a bit extra on the system drive that I will also have all my software and cache on.

Said by whom and for whom? Datacenters would value the the endurance factor as their drives are running 24/7. A normal consumer? Would be surprised if in normal use over 10 years you come even close to significant storage drain. And if endurance was so worlds apart, no other manufacturer would exist as they'd all be bankrupt. Simply consider the alternatives, at least other name brands. Other brands also have cached drivers.

 

1 hour ago, nettspend said:

 

Won't three M.2's affect the gpu speeds tho? Compared to if I get two of them?

Will entirely depend on what slot you have your GPU in. If standard no, cause the PCIE lanes are separate going through CPU, if lower down, likely going through motherboard chip which will be slower.

Edited July 11, 2024 by venomtail

[nettspend]

2 hours ago, brob said:

Are you sure that a Liquid Freezer III 420 will fit in this case? I have seen no measurements for max permitted AIO thickness. The Liquid Freezer III radiator is 11 mm thicker than most.

Is there any way to check? Isn't it somewhat modular? Which case would you recommend within a 200 euro budget?

 

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

buying 4 extra fans (old gen 3 as well when gen 4 is out for the same price) and then slapping in a 420mm AIO that comes with 3 fans is the best use of money

I was picturing two options (attached as pictures) when picking them. On 1a gen 4 is more expensive. Any fans from other brands you'd recommend?

2 hours ago, brob said:

Three case fans plus 3 on the AIO should be more than sufficient to establish good airflow. Adding more fans will not necessarily improve airflow and have the potential to disrupt it.

With the pictures attached, which option is better? If they are both bad and the statement still stands what would you recommend? Should the radiator be used as an intake or exhaust, is pulling warmer air trough the computer worth a cooler cpu or should it just be an exhaust?

 

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

Simply consider the alternatives

You are right, don't know what got into me defending that Samsung drive, I decided to replace it with a 2 TB Kingston Fury Renegade M.2 and then the other three 2tb drives with a single 4TB Kingston KC3000 M.2

 

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

such a pricy AIO

But it costs almost the same as an air cooler.

 

2 hours ago, brob said:

Be Quiet! Pure Power 12M, Dark Power 13, and Straight Power 12 are ATX 3.0 compliant.

Thank you!

[brob]

3 hours ago, nettspend said:

Is there any way to check? Isn't it somewhat modular? Which case would you recommend within a 200 euro budget?

 

A query to Deepcool support might elicit an answer.

 

If the PSU shroud side cutout is sufficient the AIO could be side mounted as intake.

 

If you want to top mount the AIO as exhaust cases like the Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL and the over budget Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo XL are needed.  The Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 can front mount the AIO.

 

[nettspend]

6 hours ago, brob said:

 

A query to Deepcool support might elicit an answer.

 

If the PSU shroud side cutout is sufficient the AIO could be side mounted as intake.

 

If you want to top mount the AIO as exhaust cases like the Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL and the over budget Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo XL are needed.  The Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 can front mount the AIO.

 

Thank you, I messaged Deepcool support, but will probably end up getting Meshify 2 XL, you think additional fans at the bottom could improve airflow for it, or is it best to just stick with the stock 3 fans and the AIO?

[brob]

8 hours ago, nettspend said:

Thank you, I messaged Deepcool support, but will probably end up getting Meshify 2 XL, you think additional fans at the bottom could improve airflow for it, or is it best to just stick with the stock 3 fans and the AIO?

 

I doubt there would be an significant benefit.