AMD chipset to pair with 7800X3D

[Sacro]

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: WoW and occasional AAA games at 1440p

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

This is purely about what chipset to go with. These computers (building two, one for me and one for the wife who games as much as I do) which chipset should I go for. I don't mind spending money, I just don't want to waste money for features I won't realistically ever use.

[Blasty Blosty]

B650 / B650E

 

B650E if you like Gen 5 and plenty of high-speed USB ports

[brob]

Next month 9000 CPU and 800 chipsets should be available.

 

[GuiltySpark_]

4 minutes ago, brob said:

Next month 9000 CPU and 800 chipsets should be available.

 

CPU's, yes, the motherboards are coming later and we have no date there. Just that they are not shipping with Ryzen 9000.

 

@Sacro 95%+ of people are more than satisfied with B650/E, its just about picking a board with the right I/O layout for your needs.

[Sacro]

3 minutes ago, brob said:

Next month 9000 CPU and 800 chipsets should be available.

 

Not so worried about that. Like I said in the OP me and the missus don't do much more than WoW. Occasionally we will play a new AAA title, but the last one we played was BG3, so it's like a once a year thing.

 

If the pricing on 7000 series and the 600 series chipsets doesn't drop by much I'll look at 9k. This is more about our 4 year upgrades. We build new PCs every 4 years, and I like the idea of a 7800X3D considering how well the 5800X3D aged.

[brob]

11 minutes ago, Sacro said:

Not so worried about that. Like I said in the OP me and the missus don't do much more than WoW. Occasionally we will play a new AAA title, but the last one we played was BG3, so it's like a once a year thing.

 

If the pricing on 7000 series and the 600 series chipsets doesn't drop by much I'll look at 9k. This is more about our 4 year upgrades. We build new PCs every 4 years, and I like the idea of a 7800X3D considering how well the 5800X3D aged.

 

I mentioned the upcoming releases mostly because it should mean a drop in current gen pricing. 

[Agall]

18 minutes ago, Sacro said:

Budget (including currency): N/A

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: WoW and occasional AAA games at 1440p

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

This is purely about what chipset to go with. These computers (building two, one for me and one for the wife who games as much as I do) which chipset should I go for. I don't mind spending money, I just don't want to waste money for features I won't realistically ever use.

Anything works really, even the A620. As long as the board can let it at least draw 90W. The optimal choice being B650e with its PCIe 5.0 16x support.

 

The chipset for AM5 doesn't matter as much as the rest of the board design, since the chipset in itself is just secondary peripheral expansion. Most people don't bother with secondary peripherals, since the primary peripheral expansion (that's powered off the IOD on the CPU) is what provides connectivity for the primary PCIe 16x slot and primary M.2 4x slot.

 

The only reason to go with B650e/X670e is for PCIe 5.0, which doesn't matter yet. If you primarily play WoW, its a game that doesn't care much for rasterization performance. In most performance limiting scenarios, its a hard CPU limit that 3D v-cache mitigates (I played WoW for 15 years, last playing in SL where I upgraded from a 3950x to 5800x3D). Places like raids, battlegrounds, cities, etc.

 

There's also an argument to get the best board you can, since AM5 is promised several generations now. There's plenty of cases where people skimped on their AM4 motherboard and then couldn't drop in upgrade a 5800x3D. That's where the argument for a mid tier X670e board comes in, or at least B650e.

[Tan3l6]

24 minutes ago, brob said:

Next month 9000 CPU and 800 chipsets should be available.

 

Additionally - Ryzen 9000 series X3D  variants should/could launch in September but that's quite a long time from now and it's not officially confirmed.

But that's not what was asked.

[Sacro]

9 minutes ago, Agall said:

Anything works really, even the A620. As long as the board can let it at least draw 90W. The optimal choice being B650e with its PCIe 5.0 16x support.

 

The chipset for AM5 doesn't matter as much as the rest of the board design, since the chipset in itself is just secondary peripheral expansion. Most people don't bother with secondary peripherals, since the primary peripheral expansion (that's powered off the IOD on the CPU) is what provides connectivity for the primary PCIe 16x slot and primary M.2 4x slot.

 

The only reason to go with B650e/X670e is for PCIe 5.0, which doesn't matter yet. If you primarily play WoW, its a game that doesn't care much for rasterization performance. In most performance limiting scenarios, its a hard CPU limit that 3D v-cache mitigates (I played WoW for 15 years, last playing in SL where I upgraded from a 3950x to 5800x3D). Places like raids, battlegrounds, cities, etc.

 

There's also an argument to get the best board you can, since AM5 is promised several generations now. There's plenty of cases where people skimped on their AM4 motherboard and then couldn't drop in upgrade a 5800x3D. That's where the argument for a mid tier X670e board comes in, or at least B650e.

Yeah the main thing is the 7800X3D. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on any gaming performance going B650. Wife and I won't upgrade for 4 years after this. GPU wise we were probably going something like a 7800xt, since that should do fine for the rare times we play AAA titles.

 

[Agall]

4 minutes ago, Sacro said:

Yeah the main thing is the 7800X3D. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on any gaming performance going B650. Wife and I won't upgrade for 4 years after this. GPU wise we were probably going something like a 7800xt, since that should do fine for the rare times we play AAA titles.

 

Where things will get complicated and where PCIe 5.0 might start to matter is within the next two generations of dGPUs. Nvidia is likely to upsell the binning scheme for RTX 5000 series, which might land PCIe 4x GPUs in the xx60/60ti maybe even xx70 tier of GPUs. If those GPUs are PCIe 5.0, that might start to matter, especially if DirectStorage API kicks off by that point.

 

AM4 had the same problems with PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0, where people bought B450 motherboards because it was fine at the time. Then we had PCIe 4.0 8x and even 4x GPUs come out in the budget/mid tier, which matters most at lower resolutions. AM5 might get the same treatment but potentially even worse, especially if DirectStorage requires more PCIe bandwidth (likely it will).

 

Technically PCIe 5.0 dGPUs exist already, just not on the consumer side.

[Sacro]

5 minutes ago, Agall said:

Where things will get complicated and where PCIe 5.0 might start to matter is within the next two generations of dGPUs. Nvidia is likely to upsell the binning scheme for RTX 5000 series, which might land PCIe 4x GPUs in the xx60/60ti maybe even xx70 tier of GPUs. If those GPUs are PCIe 5.0, that might start to matter, especially if DirectStorage API kicks off by that point.

 

AM4 had the same problems with PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0, where people bought B450 motherboards because it was fine at the time. Then we had PCIe 4.0 8x and even 4x GPUs come out in the budget/mid tier, which matters most at lower resolutions. AM5 might get the same treatment but potentially even worse, especially if DirectStorage requires more PCIe bandwidth (likely it will).

 

Technically PCIe 5.0 dGPUs exist already, just not on the consumer side.

When that becomes an issue for us we will be doing a full upgrade anyway like normal. We only ever upgrade the entire PC when we do it. Because it's more fun, more than any other reason. So concerns about gen 5.0 PCIe aren;t an issue

[Agall]

1 minute ago, Sacro said:

When that becomes an issue for us we will be doing a full upgrade anyway like normal. We only ever upgrade the entire PC when we do it. Because it's more fun, more than any other reason. So concerns about gen 5.0 PCIe aren;t an issue

B650 is the best option then.

 

Regarding the rest of the board, I generally focus on the rear I/O as the primary selector, outside of specific features you may prefer on the rest of the board. The lower TDP of the 7800x3D eliminates in-depth discussion about VRM, since during gaming, it'll maybe draw 45W (~55W if its direct-die cooled). 

 

Then it comes to motherboard headers, since where certain headers like fan headers are placed and how many may matter, depending on the goals of the build. Not having to use a splitter or take a weird route based on cooling requirements and the case's design can be a QoL difference. It all pales in comparison to rear I/O though for most users.

[Sacro]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

It all pales in comparison to rear I/O though for most users.

We are doing a bit of a looks based build this time, both going for o11 evos, one inverted so we can have them facing eachother at opposite ends of the long desk we have, and we are using unifans, so not much of an issue of fan headers, we just want one USB C on the back panel, and preferably the ability to connect the front panel USB C header to the motherboard, thats about it.

[Agall]

10 minutes ago, Sacro said:

We are doing a bit of a looks based build this time, both going for o11 evos, one inverted so we can have them facing eachother at opposite ends of the long desk we have, and we are using unifans, so not much of an issue of fan headers, we just want one USB C on the back panel, and preferably the ability to connect the front panel USB C header to the motherboard, thats about it.

The only interesting feature that some motherboards have, I think exclusively Asus' high end X670e boards like the Creator, is a 6 pin VGA aux header near the 24pin that supplies 60W PD to the front usb-c. Can be a nice feature for VR devices or for charging some devices.

 

Otherwise, type-c headers are common on most AM5 boards and most have at least one type-c port on the rear. The bandwidth of those ports usually doesn't matter until you get to USB4, which most of the AM5 boards don't fully have (since that includes TB4 that requires an Intel controller to run, at least until the 800 series chipsets, maybe).