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I currently have Ryzen 5600g, rtx 4080, 32 gig ram. I'm noticing bottlenecking specifically on games like Escape From Tarkov, and Gray Zone Warfare, being the most terrible. I know these games are not optimized very well at all, so I am wondering if it is even worth the money to consider a slight upgrade for my CPU. My CPU is generally fine for daily use, it's mostly the really demanding games that are CPU heavy where i notice the biggest problems with my CPU capping out at 100% usage and significant stuttering and hitching especially while caching data for example when the games are first starting up. I do think with my GPU i should be able to push the settings pretty high on these types of games and it feels bad to have it throttled by the CPU. 

 

Do you guys think it's worth it to do a slight upgrade/sidegrade for the CPU? Or should I just hold off on changing anything until I can afford a new motherboard to go with a next gen CPU? 

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27 minutes ago, kilbo98 said:

I currently have Ryzen 5600g, rtx 4080, 32 gig ram. I'm noticing bottlenecking specifically on games like Escape From Tarkov, and Gray Zone Warfare, being the most terrible. I know these games are not optimized very well at all, so I am wondering if it is even worth the money to consider a slight upgrade for my CPU. My CPU is generally fine for daily use, it's mostly the really demanding games that are CPU heavy where i notice the biggest problems with my CPU capping out at 100% usage and significant stuttering and hitching especially while caching data for example when the games are first starting up. I do think with my GPU i should be able to push the settings pretty high on these types of games and it feels bad to have it throttled by the CPU. 

 

Do you guys think it's worth it to do a slight upgrade/sidegrade for the CPU? Or should I just hold off on changing anything until I can afford a new motherboard to go with a next gen CPU? 

Are you on 1080p, 1440p or 4K?

 

If you're on 1080p you need a Ryzen X3D CPU and an upgrade of the monitor to 1440p or 4K. Using a 4080 on anything lower than 1440p is a crime.

If you're on 1440p or higher, you just need a Ryzen X3D like the 5700X3D or 5800X3D.

If you're on 1080p and don't want to change, you need at least the 7800X3D (that would mean a new board and DDR5 RAM too).

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59 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

If you're on 1080p and don't want to change, you need at least the 7800X3D (that would mean a new board and DDR5 RAM too).

honestly as lazy as this sounds, a 7600 would lowkey also be an upgrade, because it's quite noticeably faster than 5600 for example, and basically on par with performance on 5700x3D more or less,

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1 hour ago, kilbo98 said:

I currently have Ryzen 5600g

do you have PBO enabled? stock or any more stronger cooler?

 

1 hour ago, kilbo98 said:

I do think with my GPU i should be able to push the settings pretty high on these types of games and it feels bad to have it throttled by the CPU. 

you can push the settings bit higher, it won't really affect the CPU that much, at least the settings that don't affect CPU performance

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depends on your mobo but most should take a 5800x3d,  maybe needs a bios update. 

 

should be a significant performance uplift too with your gpu.

 

 

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drop in a 5700x3d and be done with it

 

50 minutes ago, podkall said:

honestly as lazy as this sounds, a 7600 would lowkey also be an upgrade, because it's quite noticeably faster than 5600 for example, and basically on par with performance on 5700x3D more or less,

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this also works especially if 7500f/7600 are at a good price and you can pick up some 32gb 6000c30/32 for ~95$

 

might be spending about 50-80$ extra once current hardware resale has been factored in but you wont have to swap mobo and rams if you wanna drop in a new cpu

 

but since ryzen 9000 and probably the boards too are gonna launch next month id wait for a price drop on current gen

 

or just drop in a 5700x3d and wait till the gen after ryzen 9000 cause by then the older boards + cpus get cheaper and better cheaper ddr5 would exist

 

 

2 hours ago, kilbo98 said:

Ryzen 5600g

also this isnt salvagable unless your ram can run upwards of 4600 and the board is good enough cause the halved cache means you need to oc rams to compensate

 

if you happen to have microns then you can probably run it up to ~5000 where cezzane usually maxes out for 1:1 fclk afaik but then you are gonna need a ram fan for the 1.6-1.7v you need to run and high ram ocs are very painful to stabilize as ive found out myself trying to run 2800+ ddr3 on x58 and previous ocs like 1520 ddr2 especially if i have a trash stick in the mix, also at those speeds the rams are gonna be pretty volatile due to temp and that gets worse the higher the clocks as i found out in the aformentioned 1520 ddr2 oc where even being slightly too warm causes errors in prime95 largeffts when 1470 didnt even need a ram fan or any tuning of the secondaries/tertiaries

 

so yeah unless you just wanna have some fun with pushing that poor cpu and your rams to the limit (very fun but will drive you insane) dropping in a 5700x3d is the most convenient and easy thing you can do while providing straight up better performance with no ram tuning required as the cache mostly nullifies the effects of ram tuning

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52 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

also this isnt salvagable unless your ram can run upwards of 4600 and the board is good enough cause the halved cache means you need to oc rams to compensate

isn't that unstable if it goes above the sweetspot though?

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[ Moved to CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory ]

 

What motherboard do you currently have? If it's a decent AM4 board, you could get a few more years out of it with a 5700X or 5800X3D.

 

The biggest drawback to the AM4 APUs is their limited PCIe connectivity. They only present 16 PCIe Gen3 lanes to the motherboard, while the non-APU Zen3 processors have 24 lanes of PCIe Gen4. That can make a difference when you're pushing high resolution textures around.

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1 hour ago, podkall said:

isn't that unstable if it goes above the sweetspot though?

sweetspot is a pretty garbage terminology imo when the real "sweetspot" is directly at 1:1 fclk which is 3800-4000 for ryzen cpus, 4400-4600 for ryzen 4000 (renoir) apus, and ~5000 for ryzen 5000 (cezzane) apus including the 5500 and 5700

 

xmp 3800 exists too so thatd also work as a "sweetspot" but 3200 and 3600 are cheaper and more common and there isnt a big diff between the two cause its generic xmp bins with random ics ranging from good to garbage

 

for apus youd be stupid to even buy xmp but if you are stupid enough to overpay for a 4600-5000 xmp and only run it at the xmp profile and not tuning to 5400+ as theyre intended to be tuned (binned hynix 8gbit djr or micron 16gbit rev b) then thatd technically also work for the apus, also youll get worse performance due to not tuning secondaries and tertiaries so there goes the entire point of buying high clocked xmps aside from binning ics and if you arent gonna tune to 5400+ there goes the entire point of even buying these high xmps

 

also ryzen cpus should be capable of ~5000 with desync fclk but its only worth it if you can clock it far enough where the latency penalty is overcome and thats usually well above 4600 or the zone where you are gonna be driven absolutely insane cause you are nearing hardware limits

 

im already going nuts here on x58 with my w3680 refusing to go over 3200 and i have no idea why when my better w3503s can push upwards of 3400, 2600 is the last point where tuning is still laughably easy cause after that its strange stability issues due to closing in on hardware limits, still fun tho

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6 hours ago, kilbo98 said:

I currently have Ryzen 5600g, rtx 4080, 32 gig ram. I'm noticing bottlenecking specifically on games like Escape From Tarkov, and Gray Zone Warfare, being the most terrible. I know these games are not optimized very well at all, so I am wondering if it is even worth the money to consider a slight upgrade for my CPU. My CPU is generally fine for daily use, it's mostly the really demanding games that are CPU heavy where i notice the biggest problems with my CPU capping out at 100% usage and significant stuttering and hitching especially while caching data for example when the games are first starting up. I do think with my GPU i should be able to push the settings pretty high on these types of games and it feels bad to have it throttled by the CPU. 

 

Do you guys think it's worth it to do a slight upgrade/sidegrade for the CPU? Or should I just hold off on changing anything until I can afford a new motherboard to go with a next gen CPU? 

Long and short:

 

Short term on a budget: 5700x3d

 

Long term :  ryzen 7600 with ddr5.  Drop in later AM5 CPUs in a few years.

 

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1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

sweetspot is a pretty garbage terminology imo when the real "sweetspot" is directly at 1:1 fclk which is 3800-4000 for ryzen cpus, 4400-4600 for ryzen 4000 (renoir) apus, and ~5000 for ryzen 5000 (cezzane) apus including the 5500 and 5700

I thought sweetspot was 3200-3600 or was that just sweetspot in terms of RAM not giving errors and crashes when the XMP is on?

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55 minutes ago, podkall said:

I thought sweetspot was 3200-3600 or was that just sweetspot in terms of RAM not giving errors and crashes when the XMP is on?

It's the sweet spot for ram.  Stability, price, etc all factor.

 

Yes, the infinity fabric ratio dictates how fast you can run before you trip over the 2:1 ratio, there really isn't a big benefit for paying to get right up to it.

 

Hence....  Sweet spot.  It's what the word means .

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1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

It's the sweet spot for ram.  Stability, price, etc all factor.

 

Yes, the infinity fabric ratio dictates how fast you can run before you trip over the 2:1 ratio, there really isn't a big benefit for paying to get right up to it.

 

Hence....  Sweet spot.  It's what the word means .

if you are using sweetspot as in this definition then itd be 3200c16 and 3600c18 aka the most commonly available and cheapest xmp bins which are adequate performance wise for the most part

 

2 hours ago, podkall said:

I thought sweetspot was 3200-3600 or was that just sweetspot in terms of RAM not giving errors and crashes when the XMP is on?

in this context i usually see it being used as the ideal ram speed for ryzen which is obviously complete bullshit cause thats directly at the cpus max 1:1 fclk which is 3800-4000 for ryzen cpus and higher for the apus

 

sweetspot as in price/performance is 3200c16 and 3600c18 which applies for all cpus from 5th - 14th gen cause theres no point buying other xmp bins due to them being targetted at tuners (4600+ binned rev e/b djr, 4000c15 or any other bdie bin especially the higher binned bdie) or being targetted at idiots aka scam bins (non bdie 3600c16)

 

sweetspot for max performance is directly at fclk/gear 1 (outlined above for ryzen cpus and apus, somewhere around 3800-4200 for 11th-14th gen) or max imc capabilities for earlier gens (4000-4400 for 6th-10th gen assuming sane max volt ~1.45v) or if you decide to run desync fclk/uclk then itd be limited to the cpus imc capabilities (zen2/3 cpus ~5000 with apus probably >6000, gear 2 11th-14th probably somewhere above 5200)

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1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

in this context i usually see it being used as the ideal ram speed for ryzen which is obviously complete bullshit cause thats directly at the cpus max 1:1 fclk which is 3800-4000 for ryzen cpus and higher for the apus

 

sweetspot as in price/performance is 3200c16 and 3600c18 which applies for all cpus from 5th - 14th gen cause theres no point buying other xmp bins due to them being targetted at tuners (4600+ binned rev e/b djr, 4000c15 or any other bdie bin especially the higher binned bdie) or being targetted at idiots aka scam bins (non bdie 3600c16)

 

sweetspot for max performance is directly at fclk/gear 1 (outlined above for ryzen cpus and apus, somewhere around 3800-4200 for 11th-14th gen) or max imc capabilities for earlier gens (4000-4400 for 6th-10th gen assuming sane max volt ~1.45v) or if you decide to run desync fclk/uclk then itd be limited to the cpus imc capabilities (zen2/3 cpus ~5000 with apus probably >6000, gear 2 11th-14th probably somewhere above 5200)

but does it give more performance that is significant? must be for not spending too much money kind of reason that the sweetspot is below 1:1 right?

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32 minutes ago, podkall said:

but does it give more performance that is significant? must be for not spending too much money kind of reason that the sweetspot is below 1:1 right?

i think most of the actual performance gain will be from tuning the rams but there will be a diff just not that big of a diff

 

if you are using the sweetspot definition as in price/performance then yes its 3200c16/3600c18 as any other cpu cause those two xmp bins are the cheapest around and other bins dont improve on it unless you tune them as those bins are meant to be tuned and will perform like trash if untuned and/or relative to their price

 

if you are using the sweetspot definition of best performance then its directly at the cpus capabilities in this case 3800-4000 for 1:1 fclk

 

i prefer the best performance definition as that seems to be what everyones using when theyre reffering to sweetspot rather than price/performance

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4 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i think most of the actual performance gain will be from tuning the rams but there will be a diff just not that big of a diff

 

if you are using the sweetspot definition as in price/performance then yes its 3200c16/3600c18 as any other cpu cause those two xmp bins are the cheapest around and other bins dont improve on it unless you tune them as those bins are meant to be tuned and will perform like trash if untuned and/or relative to their price

 

if you are using the sweetspot definition of best performance then its directly at the cpus capabilities in this case 3800-4000 for 1:1 fclk

 

i prefer the best performance definition as that seems to be what everyones using when theyre reffering to sweetspot rather than price/performance

The layman uses sweetspotvas the best out of box performance.   Not tuning, not playing in the bios, not testing over and over.

 

You have gone very deep into ram, which gives you a different angle to look at things.  But you're the outlier not the norm.

 

 

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I use the rig in my sig for gaming, I've gotten an R7 5700X3D (a fair bit cheaper than the 5800X3D yet performs within a single digit percentage lower than the latter) to replace the 5900X, which in turn go into my 2nd rig, replacing the 3900X. IF OP doesn't wanna pony up for a whole new AM5 setup, dropping in a 5x00X3D chip would resolve most of the bottleneck issue with the 5600G.

 

Edit - I've updated my sig, though I don't have the 5700X3D yet, I'll get it in about a week....

Main Rig: AMD AM4 R7 5700X3D (8C/16T) + TR Phantom Spirit 120 EVO | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme | 2x 16GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR4 3600 | XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX | 256GB Sabrent Rocket NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 3.0 (OS) | 4TB Lexar NM790 NVMe M.2 PCIe4x4 | 2TB TG Cardea Zero Z440 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Samsung 860 EVO SATA SSD | 2TB Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD | 6TB WD Black HDD | CoolerMaster H500M | Corsair HX1000 Platinum | Logitech G915 + G303 Shroud Ed + 8BitDo Ultimate 2.4G | iFi Micro iDSD Black Label | Philips Fidelio B97 | C49HG90DME 49" 32:9 144Hz Freesync 2 | Omnidesk Pro 2020 48" | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2

2nd Rig: AMD AM4 R9 5900X (12C/24T) + TR PA 120 SE | Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite AX | 2x 16GB Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 4000MHz | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | 500GB Crucial P2 Plus NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 (OS)2TB Adata Legend 850 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 |  2TB Kingston NV2 NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen4x4 | 4TB Leven JS600 SATA SSD | 2TB Seagate HDD | Logitech G613 + G703 | SOLDAM XR-1 Black Knight | Enermax MAXREVO 1500 | 64bit Win11 Pro 23H2

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Dedayog said:

You have gone very deep into ram

not yet as im still stuck on ddr3

 

afaik ddr4 and 5 just have more secondaries and tertiaries so itll be fun attempting to tune those especially an unknown ic with no known profiles as a reference

 

and im already struggling to get some 1gbit hynix bfr to post past 2300 and this is an ic that supposedly does 3000+ or maybe its just not suited for x58 idk ive only seen them being used for llano but hwbot seems to have wiped alot of old ram frequency runs so now i cant find it to use the primaries as a reference so i think ill just bin more gdies and look into elpida bbse/bdbg unless they need subzero cause its more fun crushing subzero freq on air =p

 

and i havent really bothered with tuning for performance yet as i have no clue what i can use as a ram benchmark (so far maybe spi and y cruncher)

 

so no im not exactly good at it as i havent screwed around with ddr4/5 nor have i done any max performance focused tunes, just frequency for now but ill dive into performance tuning and ddr4/5 eventually

 

9 hours ago, Dedayog said:

The layman uses sweetspotvas the best out of box performance.   Not tuning, not playing in the bios, not testing over and over.

obviously im gonna correct it if its being used as absolute best performance for ryzen which 3600 is not, 3800-4000 is or 4400-4600 and ~5000 for zen2 and 3 apus, a hell of alot more egregious for the apus as they need fast rams if you want good performance and xmp 3600 aint gonna cut it, cpus however could care less and most of the performance you get is tuning secondaries and tertiaries rather than a small jump in frequency with xmp 3200/3600 being adequate for most

 

everyone uses sweetspot as the absolute best performance you can get on ryzen so im gonna correct it if they arent specifying bone stock set and forget xmp with best value which is exclusively 3200c16 and 3600c18 bins and applies to all ddr4 platforms not just ryzen, and both of em are close in terms of performance so you really arent losing out on much if anything going for 3200c16 literally why i almost always reccomend 3200c16 unless 3600c18 is close enough in price that i might aswell, also the sweetspot terminology seems to lead ppl to being scammed with non bdie 3600c16 bins, you see them everywhere for a ludicrous markup over 3600c18 while not providing any extra performance cause its just slightly tighter primaries

 

and ive never seen anyone that tunes ram using "sweetspot" ever be it 3800-4000 daily ocs or 5000+ just for shits and giggles ocs

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