5700x3D $200 USD, no explanation needed.

[Agall]

 

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D - Ryzen 7 5000 Series 8-Core 3.0 GHz Socket AM4 105W None Integrated Graphics Processor - 100-100001503WOF - Newegg.com

 

Haven't upgraded yet?

 

 

[Tan3l6]

Basically the best of AM4, a marginal difference with 5800X3D.

Excellent price!

 

No comments needed indeed.

Edit: ah, 400Mhz lower core, that's a bit above marginal. But still great price.

[GuiltySpark_]

Yep, 95% of the performance of 5800x3D for... (checking amazon, huh, is there no 5800x3D listing right now?) 

[Agall]

1 minute ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Yep, 95% of the performance of 5800x3D for... (checking amazon, huh, is there no 5800x3D listing right now?) 

Newegg is the same, only overpriced retailers.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

24 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Basically the best of AM4, a marginal difference with 5800X3D.

Excellent price!

 

No comments needed indeed.

Edit: ah, 400Mhz lower core, that's a bit above marginal. But still great price.

i mean you can still bclk the difference away anyways

[GuiltySpark_]

2 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i mean you can still bclk the difference away anyways

I feel like you've got to be tired of me telling you this but the vast majority of people have no idea what that means or will ever do that. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just now, GuiltySpark_ said:

I feel like you've got to be tired of me telling you this but the vast majority of people have no idea what that means or will ever do that. 

its literally just raising the bclk

 

though i guess you might also have to lower pcie gen to 3 or even 2 if you dont wanna be stuck at <105

 

anything different with am4 bclk aside from setting pcie gens compared to old 1155 bclk? since 1155 bclk is just set bclk as high as the cpu allows you to go be it 105 or even 108, its literally that simple atleast thatd what i saw when i was working with a p8z68 deluxe

[WereCat]

7 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

i mean you can still bclk the difference away anyways

Not really. BCLK overclocking on AM4 is no easy task, especially if you want to use PCIe 4.0 and many boards struggle to do anything more than +1 to 2MHz. And I'm not even talking about all the stability issues that are tied with it, especially with some DRAM configs out there.

[Agall]

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

its literally just raising the bclk

 

though i guess you might also have to lower pcie gen to 3 or even 2 if you dont wanna be stuck at <105

 

anything different with am4 bclk aside from setting pcie gens compared to old 1155 bclk? since 1155 bclk is just set bclk as high as the cpu allows you to go be it 105 or even 108, its literally that simple atleast thatd what i saw when i was working with a p8z68 deluxe

Its more complicated in today's world with PCIe storage, since changing BCLK frequency affects the PCIe bus, potentially stability on the PCIe bus as well. Less of an issue when we were using SATA drives compared to today's high bandwidth PCIe drives.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

Its more complicated in today's world with PCIe storage, since changing BCLK frequency affects the PCIe bus, potentially stability on the PCIe bus as well. Less of an issue when we were using SATA drives compared to today's high bandwidth PCIe drives.

basically you are capped to what the ssd can do instead of the cpu or even the pcie bus itself?

 

4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Not really. BCLK overclocking on AM4 is no easy task, especially if you want to use PCIe 4.0 and many boards struggle to do anything more than +1 to 2MHz. And I'm not even talking about all the stability issues that are tied with it, especially with some DRAM configs out there.

that is pretty horrendous and i was running a quad stick config on that p8z68 when i was doing bclk oc

 

obviously not trash ics but a trash bin of a good ic (psc) on some green pcb 1333 transcend sticks and im pretty sure i have a stick thats so bad that itll top out at only 2700 for max freq (best does 3150 ish but pales in comparison to my gdies)

[Agall]

7 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

basically you are capped to what the ssd can do instead of the cpu or even the pcie bus itself?

 

that is pretty horrendous and i was running a quad stick config on that p8z68 when i was doing bclk oc

 

obviously not trash ics but a trash bin of a good ic (psc) on some green pcb 1333 transcend sticks and im pretty sure i have a stick thats so bad that itll top out at only 2700 for max freq (best does 3150 ish but pales in comparison to my gdies)

Its mostly a limitation of stability, the controller on a PCIe drive is using that bus to negotiate data transfer, so you'd be effectively overclocking your PCIe SSD as well in a way, or just causing data corruption. You don't have to go far when researching this issue which has been widely reported since the early days. I could even test it on an old 4790k build that has an AHCI SM951 M.2 SSD to boot. Last time I used BCLK overclocking effectively was with my 4930k build and SLI 780Tis.

[WereCat]

15 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

basically you are capped to what the ssd can do instead of the cpu or even the pcie bus itself?

 

that is pretty horrendous and i was running a quad stick config on that p8z68 when i was doing bclk oc

 

obviously not trash ics but a trash bin of a good ic (psc) on some green pcb 1333 transcend sticks and im pretty sure i have a stick thats so bad that itll top out at only 2700 for max freq (best does 3150 ish but pales in comparison to my gdies)

You're comparing an ooold system with a new platform so it does not really hold up.

The DRAM by itself wouldn't be an issue as much even with 4-sticks but it affects CPU clock, FCLK, UCLK, MCLK, PCIe bus... lots of stuff that can go wrong there and are essential for system to run and be stable.

 

Edit:

 

and that is all before you account for power limits and clock stretching. BCLK overclocking on X3D seems to lead to a lot of clock stretching so you'll see higher number but performance may not be there anyways.

 

 

[podkall]

1 hour ago, Agall said:

Haven't upgraded yet?

It's still less than year since I upgraded to 5600

[Agall]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

It's still less than year since I upgraded to 5600

 

5700x3D and 1080ti would be a glorious combo. Pick up a 3600MT/sec 2x16GB kit while you're at it.

[podkall]

30 minutes ago, Agall said:

 

5700x3D and 1080ti would be a glorious combo. Pick up a 3600MT/sec 2x16GB kit while you're at it.

oh yeah, let me just pull out like 500$ out of thin air

[Somerandomtechyboi]

14 hours ago, Agall said:

Its mostly a limitation of stability, the controller on a PCIe drive is using that bus to negotiate data transfer, so you'd be effectively overclocking your PCIe SSD as well in a way, or just causing data corruption. You don't have to go far when researching this issue which has been widely reported since the early days. I could even test it on an old 4790k build that has an AHCI SM951 M.2 SSD to boot. Last time I used BCLK overclocking effectively was with my 4930k build and SLI 780Tis.

so basically its really an issue just because the pcie ssds and sata will do just fine

 

clocking the pcie bus on 775 doesnt really do anything to my hdd at worst if i set it too high but it posts whenever i decide to shut it off itll probably get stuck at code 69 (nice) atleast thats what happens on my p5q if i try to run 104 pcie at <400fsb, on a giga p45 the drive may either refuse to detect or windows just bsods if i set pcie too high but im gonna have to find another one of those as i already sold all my good ones (ds4p ud3r) and also my shitty ud3lr that refuses to stabilize high fsb (500+) on e8000 chips and >333fsb on pentiums

 

on x58 i can run 120 pcie just fine but 130 on my ud3r just causes windows to bsod or crash at the logo even though it posts up to 133 iirc when i tune the i/o pcie and southbridge volts, old p6t deluxe capped at 120

 

on 1155 with a z77m d3h i ran 104.98 with no issue in windows, just that i thought ~105 was a board limit and not a cpu limit (my g2020 is apparently kinda crap only being able to do 105.4) and i sold the thing with 104.98 bclk set in bios and this was a couple years ago now, with a z68m on a g540 i was able to boot 106 as its a better chip for bclk but 107 no posted and to this day refuses to boot even after clear cmos so im pretty sure this is where those bullshit bclk killing hardware rumors started with giga making trash boards that refuse to recover after bclk oc fail, probably just needs a bios reflash and itll come back to life

 

havent tested 1150 bclk since i only have h81 boards and even if i flash them to z87 bioses bclk just refuses to work and no posts, i do have an interesting observation though where if i take out the sata hdd they seem to actually boot with the higher bclk setting, so maybe its a board level thing where raising bclk on z boards doesnt nuke sata

 

and bclk on x79/99 uses straps, yes you can still deviate from the 100 125 and i think theres either a 150/166 strap i forgot just by manually raising the bclk which seems to have a similar effect as normally raising bclk on 100 strap just that it has a divider now so 133 bclk on 125 strap is the equivalent of 106.4bclk on 100 strap, dont really have the platform hands on to toy with though but ivy should be able to do 3000+ on x79 so im kinda curious how far x79 can clock quad stick, just that the boards are stupid expensive and no way in hell am i paying 100$+ for some old x79 board when i can just buy ryzen where cezzane apus will clock 5000+ ddr4 and x58 being capable of 3200+ or haswell being capable of 3600+ if i wanna toy around with frequency runs with the only merit of x79 being quad channel ddr3 which makes it kinda interesting even over x58 tri channel ddr3 (best stick tops out at ~2860 on the third channel unfortunately so need a better stick for 2900+ as ive maxed out volt at 2.3v and timings dont seem to do much)

 

 

curious how buildzoid managed to get 115+ working on am4 though when all the hwbot records i see seem to top out at ~115