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R7 5700X3D vs R5 7500F

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I have an AMD build that looks like this now:

 

https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/khkpwg  I have a good GPU and I am going to move over to AM5. But to get a real upgrade I should ditch these two R7 5700X3D  & R5 7500F even though they are good budget options. Arent both of these models just silicon reject of the old flagship Ryzen 7 5800X3D  ?

 

I have another Intel build where I have the i5-12400 which is not far from the R5 7500F for ex so I should really bump up the AM build with a good CPU to go along with the Radeon RX 6800 16GB.

 

Suggestions ?

 

I will sell the Mobo, CPU and RAMs from https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/khkpwg as a package and that might finance more or less a new Mobo like MSI B650 GAMING PLUS

 

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1 minute ago, ConfigThis said:

Arent both of these models just silicon reject of the old flagship Ryzen 7 5800X3D  ?

The 5700X3D is, the 7500F is a reject 7600. They're also on completely different sockets, the 5700X3D is for AM4 while the 7500F is for AM5. If you're planning on reselling the motherboard, CPU, and RAM as a package deal, the 5700X3D makes no sense. 

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3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The 5700X3D is, the 7500F is a reject 7600. They're also on completely different sockets, the 5700X3D is for AM4 while the 7500F is for AM5. If you're planning on reselling the motherboard, CPU, and RAM as a package deal, the 5700X3D makes no sense. 

Yes thought so, thanks and since I have i5-12400F on the Intel build I should go up significantly on the AM5. I am old dude who picked up building interest when I built one to my daughter and still suck at any games so the learning curve is nice and steep.

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Can you please restate what you're actually asking here, I find your statements very confusing.

 

In terms of: is the 5700X3D a reject of the 5800X3D, maybe, maybe not, but who cares.

 

In terms of: is the 7500F a silicon reject, probably, but again.., who cares, are you going to buy a 7950X3D just because you hate silicon rejects?

 

I see it very simply, you should buy what is the most worthwhile upgrade for the money and honestly, depending on the games and resolution, I doubt the 5500 is holding you back that much, but a 5700X3D will be more than good enough. The 7500F requires a new motherboard and memory, so I'd expect it will cost you a lot more.

 

If you're intent on going on AM5, then the 7500F is fine and I don't get why the comparison with a 12400 matters.

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10 minutes ago, ConfigThis said:

Hi

 

I have an AMD build that looks like this now:

 

https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/khkpwg  I have a good GPU and I am going to move over to AM5. But to get a real upgrade I should ditch these two R7 5700X3D  & R5 7500F even though they are good budget options. Arent both of these models just silicon reject of the old flagship Ryzen 7 5800X3D  ?

 

I have another Intel build where I have the i5-12400 which is not far from the R5 7500F for ex so I should really bump up the AM build with a good CPU to go along with the Radeon RX 6800 16GB.

 

Suggestions ?

 

I will sell the Mobo, CPU and RAMs from https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/khkpwg as a package and that might finance more or less a new Mobo like MSI B650 GAMING PLUS

 

upgrading to am5 worth it if you will have more money in future (hopefully) and buying 7500f makes more sense, because its basically downclocked 7600x without igpu

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2 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Can you please restate what you're actually asking here, I find your statements very confusing.

 

In terms of: is the 5700X3D a reject of the 5800X3D, maybe, maybe not, but who cares.

 

In terms of: is the 7500F a silicon reject, probably, but again.., who cares, are you going to buy a 7950X3D just because you hate silicon rejects?

 

I see it very simply, you should buy what is the most worthwhile upgrade for the money and honestly, depending on the games and resolution, I doubt the 5500 is holding you back that much, but a 5700X3D will be more than good enough. The 7500F requires a new motherboard and memory, so I'd expect it will cost you a lot more.

 

If you're intent on going on AM5, then the 7500F is fine and I don't get why the comparison with a 12400 matters.

Yes I am moving to AM5 so starting off with a cheap basic board will be the 1st step and then gradually go up. I will only use my Thermalright Peerless Assassin as cooler and if I buy the 7500F it seems a bit strange that its listed at only TDP 65W having 32 MB L3 cache , get quite hot I assume...?

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25 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The 5700X3D is, the 7500F is a reject 7600. They're also on completely different sockets, the 5700X3D is for AM4 while the 7500F is for AM5. If you're planning on reselling the motherboard, CPU, and RAM as a package deal, the 5700X3D makes no sense. 

not even reject, 7500F is similar spec wise and only doesn't come with box cooler, that's why it's cheaper if the country even sells it,

 

15 minutes ago, ConfigThis said:

Yes I am moving to AM5 so starting off with a cheap basic board will be the 1st step and then gradually go up. I will only use my Thermalright Peerless Assassin as cooler and if I buy the 7500F it seems a bit strange that its listed at only TDP 65W having 32 MB L3 cache , get quite hot I assume...?

not at all, cold as Winter, maybe warm as Spring if you enable PBO on dual tower, you should check Intel's TDP...

 

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2 minutes ago, podkall said:

not even reject, 7500F is similar spec wise and only doesn't come with box cooler, that's why it's cheaper if the country even sells it,

 

100MHz lower clocked is still lower clocked, and more importantly it doesn't have the iGPU. The lack of the iGPU is pretty obvious that it is just the binning reject of the 7600, or at least of the SOC for all the higher end Ryzen 7000 series chis. 

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51 minutes ago, ConfigThis said:

Yes I am moving to AM5 so starting off with a cheap basic board will be the 1st step and then gradually go up. I will only use my Thermalright Peerless Assassin as cooler and if I buy the 7500F it seems a bit strange that its listed at only TDP 65W having 32 MB L3 cache , get quite hot I assume...?

The only reason to go AM5 and eat the cost of DDR5 (when you already have a perfectly serviceable AM4 rig that could use a 5700X3D) is for future upgradability and better platform features and buying a really basic board diminishes both benefits to the point that I wouldn't bother.

 

At the very least, don't buy one of these:

 

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People sure do love wasting money for not much of a benefit.

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2 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

100MHz lower clocked is still lower clocked, and more importantly it doesn't have the iGPU. The lack of the iGPU is pretty obvious that it is just the binning reject of the 7600, or at least of the SOC for all the higher end Ryzen 7000 series chis. 

yes, it's slower 7600 with no iGPU, but still closer to 7600, than 5500 is to 5600

 

still got all cache and everything, still can boost to 5Ghz, still got 6 cores hyper-threaded, still it's AM5 with DDR5 RAM,

 

 

either way, if @ConfigThis has good enough MB, could have just upgraded to 5700x3D,

 

otherwise a decent cheap B650 MB can be strong enough to support 7800x3D power wise.

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3 minutes ago, podkall said:

than 5500 is to 5600

That's not a good comparison as those are two completely different chips. The 5600 is a chiplet design, while the 5500 is monolithic. The 5500 is actually a binning reject for a 5600G, which like the 7500F vs. 7600 has ~200MHz less clock speed and no iGPU. 

 

I think you have what a binning reject is confused, the binning rejects are the chips that just don't clock as high and/or have defective parts like the cores. If the die in general is different, it's not a binning reject. The R5 5600 is a binning reject of the 5600X, the 7600 is a binning reject of the 7600X which are both binning rejects of the 7700X, the 10850K is a binning reject for the 10900K, the 13600K and 13700K binning rejects of the 13900K, but the 13400F is not a binning reject of the 13900K as its a completely different die, the 5700 is not a binning reject of the 5700X as its a completely different die, etc. 

 

Just because the chip is a binning reject doesn't mean that its bad or anything, just that it's similar but slightly worse (unless its down a few cores, then its quite a bit worse in multi-core applications)

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6 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

That's not a good comparison as those are two completely different chips. The 5600 is a chiplet design, while the 5500 is monolithic. The 5500 is actually a binning reject for a 5600G, which like the 7500F vs. 7600 has ~200MHz less clock speed and no iGPU. 

but same Cache

 

7 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I think you have what a binning reject is confused, the binning rejects are the chips that just don't clock as high and/or have defective parts like the cores. If the die in general is different, it's not a binning reject. The R5 5600 is a binning reject of the 5600X, the 7600 is a binning reject of the 7600X which are both binning rejects of the 7700X, the 10850K is a binning reject for the 10900K, the 13600K and 13700K binning rejects of the 13900K, but the 13400F is not a binning reject of the 13900K as its a completely different die, the 5700 is not a binning reject of the 5700X as its a completely different die, etc. 

I get it, that's not really much to complain about, 7500F can be just as useful as 7600, regardless of slightly lower clocks and no iGPU

 

8 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Just because the chip is a binning reject doesn't mean that its bad or anything, just that it's similar but slightly worse (unless its down a few cores, then its quite a bit worse in multi-core applications)

exactly

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1 minute ago, podkall said:

but same Cache

??

Yeah, the same cache means it actually is a binning reject and not a completely different piece of silicon. 

 

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

I get it, that's not really much to complain about, 7500F can be just as useful as 7600, regardless of slightly lower clocks and no iGPU

I never said otherwise, I was just trying to correct you saying that the 7500F isn't a binning reject, because it is the very definition of a binning reject. 

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2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I never said otherwise, I was just trying to correct you saying that the 7500F isn't a binning reject, because it is the very definition of a binning reject.

I guess, but I meant that despite it being binning reject or not, the difference is so negligible it doesn't feel like binning reject at all

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1 hour ago, podkall said:

but same Cache

 

I get it, that's not really much to complain about, 7500F can be just as useful as 7600, regardless of slightly lower clocks and no iGPU

 

exactly

Thanks for all veteran inputs 🙂 I might try the 7500F and B650 as my AM5 startup after all..but I guess Ill wait a bit til I learn to be decent in atleast one game 🙂

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23 minutes ago, ConfigThis said:

Thanks for all veteran inputs 🙂 I might try the 7500F and B650 as my AM5 startup after all..but I guess Ill wait a bit til I learn to be decent in atleast one game 🙂

hah, it's your choice, and it's your choice if you get 7600 or 7500F, the 7500F is only worth if it's cheaper and you have/are buying a cooler, since it doesn't come with box cooler,

 

your choice because as much as challenge it can be, gaming experience should be at least decently smooth, but it all boils down to if you have budget to afford it and reason, because I can understand if someone has budget to buy something, but also doesn't have great need to buy something because they already have something that's still not terrible for their use

 

so if your PC isn't totally turtle mode, and you're fine with it, there's no rush

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Personally, I would either buy 5700X3D and put it in your current mobo, or wait one or two more generations if you don't have any specific problems you can point to.

 

Ryzen 5500 aren't a bad CPU yet.

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6 minutes ago, Mihle said:

Personally, I would either buy 5700X3D and put it in your current mobo, or wait one or two more generations if you don't have any specific problems you can point to.

 

Ryzen 5500 aren't a bad CPU yet.

Thanks, its so nice to see my fellow nerds helping old granpa out 🙂 Yes I think 5 5500 is doing good and my thinking in my upgrade path will be keeping it low on the TDP and only have air cooling so the major CPUs that craves watercooling is a no-go zone.....

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10 hours ago, ConfigThis said:

my thinking in my upgrade path will be keeping it low on the TDP and only have air cooling so the major CPUs that craves watercooling is a no-go zone.....

It doesn't really matter, tbh, the AMD AM5 CPUs are all low on power and pretty easy to cool (admittedly they do run hot), but your peerless assassin can cool practically anything for gaming use, even a 14900K is manageable, not that I'm suggesting you buy one.

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12 hours ago, Tetras said:

It doesn't really matter, tbh, the AMD AM5 CPUs are all low on power and pretty easy to cool (admittedly they do run hot), but your peerless assassin can cool practically anything for gaming use, even a 14900K is manageable, not that I'm suggesting you buy one.

Yes I like what Ive seen so far from peerless assassin. Thanks

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