5600X to an X3D cpu worth it specifically for Rust?

[TheeShadowStorm]

Will I get a noticeable bump in performance going from a 5600X to a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D? 

 

I mainly play Rust which I believe doesn't use multithreading so is the 3d cache going to help? Or is pure clock speed the main factor in upping FPS in Rust?

 

I currently have a 5600X and an RTX 3070 Ti. 32gb ram. Pcie4 SSD.

 

I can't be assed upgrading to AM5 so I'm looking for an easy plug and play upgrade for my current setup.

 

I play at 1440p on a 165hz monitor.

 

I currently run high settings with dlss on balanced. I see 120 to 180 FPS depending on conditions in game.

 

I probably average in around 140. I know this is good already but I just would like to upgrade something in my system, CPU seems like the obvious candidate..

 

Aside from games I occasionally encode video files and record gameplay but I don't do any work on this PC it's purely a gaming system.

 

FYI price difference between 5700X3D and 5800X3D is negligible.

 

Any advice much appreciated. Thanks 

[191x7]

Which board and cooler do you have? The X3D chips get quite hot.

 

The X3D probably won't give you a performance uplift with the 3070Ti on 1440p, but it would smooth out the frames significantly. And it would give you a GPU upgrade path.

[freeagent]

Nah X3D chips are pretty cool. Weak coolers make them seem hot.

 

5600X to X3D with 3070Ti.. I ran that combo for awhile, its ok, it will help smoothen things out.

 

My son is running a 5600X and 3070Ti right now with a PA120SE on it.

[podkall]

1 hour ago, TheeShadowStorm said:

Will I get a noticeable bump in performance going from a 5600X to a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D?

it really depends on game to game,

 

some games it's 14fps difference, other games it might be more than 50, but it really depends

[TheeShadowStorm]

4 hours ago, 191x7 said:

Which board and cooler do you have? The X3D chips get quite hot.

 

The X3D probably won't give you a performance uplift with the 3070Ti on 1440p, but it would smooth out the frames significantly. And it would give you a GPU upgrade path.

Cooler is an ID Cooling Frostflow X240 AIO with Kryonaut paste. 

Board is a Aorus Elite AX V2 B550 

[TheeShadowStorm]

12 minutes ago, podkall said:

it really depends on game to game,

 

some games it's 14fps difference, other games it might be more than 50, but it really depends

Would ideally like to know specifically about Rust 

[podkall]

4 hours ago, TheeShadowStorm said:

Would ideally like to know specifically about Rust 

I don't know, usually I search on YouTube about specific metrics, but I also pay attention to other specs the PC has, if they are even listed,

 

for example, you can't expect a 100fps increase from CPU X to CPU Y just because it's one the video, and that's usually because the video most likely uses the fastest GPU, so it's very likely these videos use RTX 4090

 

for Rust I found this, a "benchmark" of various resolutions and qualities on Rust with 5800x3D CPU, they use RTX 4070 which is relatively about 14% faster than 3070 ti, so keep that in mind: (it's also almost year old)

 

[TheeShadowStorm]

So I'm definitely going to upgrade the CPU. Main point is so I can get a few extra frames but also can put my 5600X into my Son's PC and give him a free upgrade too.

As they are the same price do I go 5800X3D or 5900X ?

[freeagent]

For games? X3D. 5900X is good with a tune, but X3D is easy.

[Agall]

On 2/11/2024 at 4:41 AM, TheeShadowStorm said:

Will I get a noticeable bump in performance going from a 5600X to a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D? 

 

I mainly play Rust which I believe doesn't use multithreading so is the 3d cache going to help? Or is pure clock speed the main factor in upping FPS in Rust?

 

I currently have a 5600X and an RTX 3070 Ti. 32gb ram. Pcie4 SSD.

 

I can't be assed upgrading to AM5 so I'm looking for an easy plug and play upgrade for my current setup.

 

I play at 1440p on a 165hz monitor.

 

I currently run high settings with dlss on balanced. I see 120 to 180 FPS depending on conditions in game.

 

I probably average in around 140. I know this is good already but I just would like to upgrade something in my system, CPU seems like the obvious candidate..

 

Aside from games I occasionally encode video files and record gameplay but I don't do any work on this PC it's purely a gaming system.

 

FYI price difference between 5700X3D and 5800X3D is negligible.

 

Any advice much appreciated. Thanks 

I haven't done 3D v-cache testing on Rust, but it should follow the same rules as any other game in its genre (I have a lot of friends who play it heavily though and I have played it myself). If you get framerate dips and stuttering occasionally that irritate you, then its a strong reason to jump into 3D v-cache.

 

If you've been riding the 5600x for a while and only have a B450 board, I'd suggest jumping into a 7800x3D.

 

The simplest marketing pitch I can give for 3D v-cache is that it does a good job at smoothing out framerates. It wont reach as high maximums with the lower clock speed, but will substantially reduce the dips, which really, is what you see more than spikes. Its disproportionate too in that trade, substantially boosting minimum framerates while only losing single digit % or so on maximum framerates.

 

If it puts it into perspective, my setup playing Warframe at 4K ultra, running a pseudo R7 7700 with my 7950x3D was still a stuttery mess at about 70% of the framerate compared to running a pseudo 7800x3D. I'm awaiting a free weekend in WoW to test it in a big city, but I feel like its going to be substantial.

 

I had a 5800x3D before my current CPU, that of which replaced my brother's R5 3600 to double his framerate in WoW.

[freeagent]

Before you buy a cpu. Go into the AMD overclocking section. Enable PBO, change PPT,TDC,EDC to 200/170/190 boost override to +200 save and exit. You should now be boosting to 4850 on all cores/threads.