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New build for an old friend (~$1200)

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It's not a bad build, though admittedly I do have a couple of problems with it:

  1. The 12600K is a faster CPU than the 13400, and it's currently priced $10 cheaper. You might as well get the faster chip.
  2. The Thermalright Peerless Assassin is $2 more than the AK400, and while it is admittedly a little harder to install, it's not that much harder to install and therefore shouldn't really be that big a problem, even for a novice user.
  3. The B760M PG Riptide is a better motherboard than the Pro RS for $5 more, figure you might as well. 
  4. A kit of 6000 CL30 is the same price as that T-Create 6000 CL38 kit, and the timing advantage will be a bit of a performance improvement. Not much, but you might as well get the better kit. 
  5. Most people don't need a 980 Pro, and given the cost of it it's really hard to justify. You can get a Solidigm P41 Plus 2TB model for the same price as the 980 Pro, and most people aren't going to notice the difference between the two even as a boot drive. I'd rather have the extra TB rather than slightly faster game load times personally. 
  6. A 7700 XT is a fairly significantly faster card than the 4060 Ti, while being $40 cheaper currently. Unless your friend entirely plays RT titles, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to go 4060 Ti. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vLqzh3

It's slightly cheaper overall for something that is slightly better. 

Budget (including currency): ~US$1200

Country: United States (Chicago and/or East Coast)

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: "I want to be able to play action/adventure games and not need to upgrade for at least the next several years. Games like AC Mirage and Valhalla, RDR2 on higher graphics settings, Jedi Survivor, those kinds"

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Old friend of mine reached out to me and asked for a parts list for an up-to-date gaming computer on a bit of a budget. He wants to reuse his case and peripherals, but otherwise I don't think anything from his existing setup is worth carrying over (i5-6500 and other parts from that era, for context; may have him keep his current SSD for secondary storage). I can't be present to build it for him (I'm in Chicago, he's on the East Coast), so I'd rather something simple to build. Display will be 1080p, either his old 60Hz panel or the new 165Hz panel in the parts list (from his wishlist, not my idea).

 

I don't have the greatest sense for what pairs well in the middle-ground of gaming/computing, but I think I have a decent list here:

 

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PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GxVKKX

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-13400 2.5 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($230.94 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock B760M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($124.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL38 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($89.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X BLACK OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB Video Card  ($459.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" 1920 x 1080 Monitor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG249Q1A 23.8" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor  ($109.99 @ Best Buy) 
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Mouse: Logitech M510 Wireless Laser Mouse  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $1237.86


Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-08 20:01 EST-0500

 

Alternatively, I wouldn't be opposed to recommending something AMD 5000-series, which I'm a lot more familiar with, but I'm not sure I want to give him a PGA CPU and have him deal with the possibility of bending pins.

 

Welcome y'all's thoughts. Thanks!

Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight)

 

Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi (all-around awesome machine)

 

Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | AsRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4x 10TB WD Whites / 4x 14TB Seagate Exos / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X540-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9207-8i HBA | Fractal Design Node 804 Case (side panels swapped to show off drives) | VMs: TrueNAS Scale; Ubuntu Server (PiHole/PiVPN/NGINX?); Windows 10 Pro; Ubuntu Server (Apache/MySQL)


Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / Seagate 1.5TB HDD | Corsair CX450M | Hauppauge ImpactVCB-PCIe | Mellanox ConnectX-2 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K

 

Camera: Sony ɑ7II w/ Meike Grip | Sony SEL24240 | Samyang 35mm ƒ/2.8 | Sony SEL50F18F | Sony SEL2870 (kit lens) | PNY Elite Perfomance 512GB SDXC card

 

Network:

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                           ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)                             UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI)           ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC)
╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC)
║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐   ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant
   (PoE)                 │                        ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle)
                         │                        ╚═ Jesta Cannon*
                         │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐
Notes:                   └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
═══ is Multi-Gigabit                                ├─ Sony Playstation 4 
─── is Gigabit                                      ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center       ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom      └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock)

 

Retired/Other:

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Laptop (Rozen-Zulu): Sony VAIO VPCF13WFX | Core i7-740QM | 8GB Patriot DDR3 | GT 425M | Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD | Blu-ray Drive | Intel 7260 Wifi (lived a good life, retired with honor)

Testbed/Old Desktop (Kshatriya): Xeon X5470 @ 4.0GHz | ZALMAN CNPS9500 | Gigabyte EP45-UD3L | 8GB Nanya DDR2 400MHz | XFX HD6870 DD | OCZ Vertex 3 Max-IOPS 120GB | Corsair CX430M | HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe Card | Osprey 230 Video Capture | NZXT H230 Case

TrueNAS Server (La Vie en Rose): Xeon E3-1241v3 | Supermicro X10SLL-F | Corsair H60 | 32GB Micron DDR3L ECC 1600MHz | 1x Kingston 16GB SSD / Crucial MX500 500GB

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It's not a bad build, though admittedly I do have a couple of problems with it:

  1. The 12600K is a faster CPU than the 13400, and it's currently priced $10 cheaper. You might as well get the faster chip.
  2. The Thermalright Peerless Assassin is $2 more than the AK400, and while it is admittedly a little harder to install, it's not that much harder to install and therefore shouldn't really be that big a problem, even for a novice user.
  3. The B760M PG Riptide is a better motherboard than the Pro RS for $5 more, figure you might as well. 
  4. A kit of 6000 CL30 is the same price as that T-Create 6000 CL38 kit, and the timing advantage will be a bit of a performance improvement. Not much, but you might as well get the better kit. 
  5. Most people don't need a 980 Pro, and given the cost of it it's really hard to justify. You can get a Solidigm P41 Plus 2TB model for the same price as the 980 Pro, and most people aren't going to notice the difference between the two even as a boot drive. I'd rather have the extra TB rather than slightly faster game load times personally. 
  6. A 7700 XT is a fairly significantly faster card than the 4060 Ti, while being $40 cheaper currently. Unless your friend entirely plays RT titles, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to go 4060 Ti. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vLqzh3

It's slightly cheaper overall for something that is slightly better. 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($182.80 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin King 120 MINI V2 64.87 CFM CPU Cooler  ($21.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 Riptide WiFi ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7600 CL36 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Leven JS600 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($43.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($429.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Zalman Z10 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus 750 Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($95.00 @ Amazon)
Total: +- $1245

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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On 12/8/2023 at 7:26 PM, RONOTHAN## said:

It's not a bad build, though admittedly I do have a couple of problems with it:

Yep, that's the perspective I needed. Thanks for the input.

 

Final build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BM9jBL

Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight)

 

Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi (all-around awesome machine)

 

Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | AsRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4x 10TB WD Whites / 4x 14TB Seagate Exos / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X540-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9207-8i HBA | Fractal Design Node 804 Case (side panels swapped to show off drives) | VMs: TrueNAS Scale; Ubuntu Server (PiHole/PiVPN/NGINX?); Windows 10 Pro; Ubuntu Server (Apache/MySQL)


Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / Seagate 1.5TB HDD | Corsair CX450M | Hauppauge ImpactVCB-PCIe | Mellanox ConnectX-2 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K

 

Camera: Sony ɑ7II w/ Meike Grip | Sony SEL24240 | Samyang 35mm ƒ/2.8 | Sony SEL50F18F | Sony SEL2870 (kit lens) | PNY Elite Perfomance 512GB SDXC card

 

Network:

Spoiler
                           ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)                             UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI)           ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC)
╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC)
║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐   ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant
   (PoE)                 │                        ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle)
                         │                        ╚═ Jesta Cannon*
                         │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐
Notes:                   └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
═══ is Multi-Gigabit                                ├─ Sony Playstation 4 
─── is Gigabit                                      ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center       ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom      └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock)

 

Retired/Other:

Spoiler

Laptop (Rozen-Zulu): Sony VAIO VPCF13WFX | Core i7-740QM | 8GB Patriot DDR3 | GT 425M | Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD | Blu-ray Drive | Intel 7260 Wifi (lived a good life, retired with honor)

Testbed/Old Desktop (Kshatriya): Xeon X5470 @ 4.0GHz | ZALMAN CNPS9500 | Gigabyte EP45-UD3L | 8GB Nanya DDR2 400MHz | XFX HD6870 DD | OCZ Vertex 3 Max-IOPS 120GB | Corsair CX430M | HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe Card | Osprey 230 Video Capture | NZXT H230 Case

TrueNAS Server (La Vie en Rose): Xeon E3-1241v3 | Supermicro X10SLL-F | Corsair H60 | 32GB Micron DDR3L ECC 1600MHz | 1x Kingston 16GB SSD / Crucial MX500 500GB

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2 hours ago, AbydosOne said:

Yep, that's the perspective I needed. Thanks for the input.

 

Final build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BM9jBL

The focus GX is good, but there are newer 750s you can get that’ll have PCIe 5.0 connector for future GPUs.  The BeQuiet pure power 12 and Corsair RMe are both $100 iirc.

 

The 12600kf is also $25 less, and neither chip is worth getting DDR5 RAM for.  You can, it just doesn’t make a difference until 13th gen. 

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