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ACEDMAN

Budget (including currency): $2,000 USD

Country: United States

Games, programs, or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming and Streaming on Twitch

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):  I dont know better than what I got.
 

My PC I have now is 7 ish years old and can barely run cod and the stream is very laggy sometimes, I do know my lag is not my wifi tho.

 

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my budget can go up btw bc i know GPU are a lot lol
also id like a shopping list because i buy the wrong stuff all the time
or better would be a list to bring to micro center

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24 minutes ago, ACEDMAN said:

my budget can go up btw bc i know GPU are a lot lol
also id like a shopping list because i buy the wrong stuff all the time
or better would be a list to bring to micro center

Oh you have a MC 😉 You're in fat city....

 

7800x3d bundle for $469 added...  Tweak  the case and add more storage if you wish, but you have wiggle room with a $2k budget and a Microcenter.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($469.00) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.98 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($0.00) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($0.00) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($116.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  ($979.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($135.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1851.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-06 14:27 EST-0500

 

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

Onyx AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Lian Li Lancool II Mesh C / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502

 

7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p

 

Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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Check microcenter's open box stuff, sometimes you'll get a really good deal on a case or a GPU.  Maybe not anymore now that there isn't a rush of people returning unopened GPUs, but maybe.

I edit the shit out of my posts.  Refresh before you respond.

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21 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Oh you have a MC 😉 You're in fat city....

 

7800x3d bundle for $469 added...  Tweak  the case and add more storage if you wish, but you have wiggle room with a $2k budget and a Microcenter.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($469.00) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.98 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($0.00) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($0.00) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($116.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  ($979.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($135.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1851.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-12-06 14:27 EST-0500

 

This 7900xtx might look better with the rest of the system:

XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (RX-79XMERCB9) - PCPartPicker

 

This one also might, and it's got a fat ass radiator on it:

PowerColor Hellhound Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card (RX7900XTX 24G-L/OC) - PCPartPicker.

 

If you want pretty lights on your cooler these are a decent deal:

Jonsbo CR-3000 ARGB 59.48 CFM CPU Cooler (CR-3000 ARGB Black) - PCPartPicker

Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (R-AG620-BKANMN-G-2) - PCPartPicker

I edit the shit out of my posts.  Refresh before you respond.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Kotetsu Mark 3 67.62 CFM CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A MAX WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ B&H)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7600 CL36 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro w/Heatsink 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($779.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Zalman Z10 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex III Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Newegg Sellers)

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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3 hours ago, The Hope said:

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Kotetsu Mark 3 67.62 CFM CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A MAX WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ B&H)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7600 CL36 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro w/Heatsink 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($779.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Zalman Z10 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Super Flower Leadex III Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Newegg Sellers)

Need to link the entire BB code, otherwise we get no links or total.

 

But you selected a worse gaming CPU, for more money, and lowered the GPU, and a more expensive useless SSD.

 

Nice PSU tho.

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

Onyx AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Lian Li Lancool II Mesh C / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502

 

7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p

 

Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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48 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

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But you selected a worse gaming CPU, for more money, and lowered the GPU, and a more expensive useless SSD.

 

Nice PSU tho.

The CPU is $270 cheaper than the $469.00 your CPU costs.

 

With that cheap CPU, I achieve in Linux similar performance as AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D users achieve in windows11:

 

My Intel Core i5-12600KF in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3787352

Average AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d


WasmBoy Benchmarking Intel 12600KF results

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StyleBench CSS result of Intel 12600KF on ROSA Fresh Desktop 12.4 and Firefox Nightly

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The game 0 A.D. opens in 0.396 second on my Intel 12600KF system when I open this game for the first time. (XFS file system)

OpenArena opens in 0.3xx second on my Intel 12600KF system and Red Eclipse opens in 0.6xx second.

 

If AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D users manage to outperform me in these basic tests (by a margin greater than 10%) with stock settings and RAM @6000 without tuning I'd love to hear about it. But I think they will only be able to do this in a dream world.

 

Samsung is one of the most qualitative SSD brands, and my suggestion performs similar as the fastest SSD's.

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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7 minutes ago, The Hope said:

The CPU is $270 cheaper than the $469.00 your CPU costs.

The CPU he picked was a Micro Center bundle with the mobo and memory, so it shows the cost of all that under the CPU slot. Notice how in his list it says $0 for the board and memory?

 

Adding up the cost of your CPU, board, and memory, you are paying well above what his build costs for those parts.

 

7 minutes ago, The Hope said:

With that cheap CPU, I achieve in Linux similar performance as AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D users achieve in windows11:

 

<snip>

 

If OP isn't going to be using Linux, none of this is particularly relevant. And build advice threads aren't really the place to evangelize for Linux. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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9 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

If OP isn't going to be using Linux, none of this is particularly relevant.

Also for 4k gaming and 1440p gaming, the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is not significantly faster than the Intel 12600KF, but it is more than twice as expensive. For 1080p gaming, a 12600KF is powerful enough to achieve (more than) 80 FPS in any game, the point where people no longer notice any difference between FPS values, according to research.

 

My suggestion will give the same gaming experience, for less money, and he will have a much higher-quality motherboard, which affects audio quality and other things he will notice. I think it makes more sense to pay for things that impact the experience, and not the other way around.

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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1 minute ago, The Hope said:

Also for 4k gaming and 1440p gaming, the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is not significantly faster than the Intel 12600KF, but it is more than twice as expensive.

No, it's not more than twice as expensive. Read what I wrote above about the bundle deal pricing in @Dedayog's list.

 

1 minute ago, The Hope said:

My suggestion will give the same gaming experience, for much less money,

 

You build list comes to $1,679.93, without the price of a case. So, I wouldn't say much less money. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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1 minute ago, Middcore said:

You build list comes to $1,679.93, without the price of a case. So, I wouldn't say much less money. 

His price is $1851.94 and motherboard and RAM are not included and they are both more expensive than my suggested case. It makes +- 350 dollar difference.

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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Just now, The Hope said:

His price is $1851.94 and motherboard and RAM are not included 

They are included in the Micro Center bundle with the CPU. That's what I keep trying to tell you.

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006599/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-msi-b650-p-pro-wifi-ddr5,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

 

CPU, board, and memory all for $469. That's where the $469 in his list came from ,and why the board and memory are marked $0. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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45 minutes ago, The Hope said:

The CPU is $270 cheaper than the $469.00 your CPU costs.

 

With that cheap CPU, I achieve in Linux similar performance as AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D users achieve in windows11:

 

My Intel Core i5-12600KF in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/3787352

Average AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Geekbench 6: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d


WasmBoy Benchmarking Intel 12600KF results

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StyleBench CSS result of Intel 12600KF on ROSA Fresh Desktop 12.4 and Firefox Nightly

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The game 0 A.D. opens in 0.396 second on my Intel 12600KF system when I open this game for the first time. (XFS file system)

OpenArena opens in 0.3xx second on my Intel 12600KF system and Red Eclipse opens in 0.6xx second.

 

If AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D users manage to outperform me in these basic tests (by a margin greater than 10%) with stock settings and RAM @6000 without tuning I'd love to hear about it. But I think they will only be able to do this in a dream world.

 

Samsung is one of the most qualitative SSD brands, and my suggestion performs similar as the fastest SSD's.

 

As you can see the 7800X3D is much better at productivity AND gaming than the 12600K.  4k is moot, he is going to use it in 1440p.  Focus on the needs of the OP, not your own personal biases.

 

Also, for SSD's, gaming doesn't use the benefits of super fast NVMe storage.  So paying more for ultra fast storage is a waste.  Now if he's doing massive 4k/8k editing... another story.

 

@Middcore is explaining things properly.  Please look at the total price of the CPU/Motherboard/RAM from both our lists.  Yuo are correct that when bought alone, the CPU you list is cheaper.  But as a bundle, Microcenter crushes.

 

Say it with me.  BUNDLE.

 

 

 

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"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

Onyx AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Lian Li Lancool II Mesh C / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502

 

7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p

 

Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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3 hours ago, Dedayog said:

As you can see the 7800X3D is much better at productivity AND gaming than the 12600K.  4k is moot, he is going to use it in 1440p.  Focus on the needs of the OP, not your own personal biases.

Never use YouTube video's as your source. There are many unreliable sources on YouTube.

I explained you that I outperform the 7800X3D in Geekbench 6 single-core just by using a Linux system.

 

I can show you as well that the Intel 12600KF can outperform the 7800X3D in several games. What if the OP plays the specific games where the 7800X3D is slower?

 

#1 https://gamegpu.com/rts-/-стратегии/total-war-pharaoh-test-gpu-cpu

 

#2 https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/result/linux-gaming-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/counter-strike-global-offensive-2560-x-1440-vulkan.svgz

 

The price of the bundle is very nice.

 

You say it will play 1440p but we don't know this and it could be that it will play 1080p. In that case, the RX 7900 XTX is overpriced and actually a misbuy giving no other experience than a Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XT. Even for 1440p most people think the RX 7900 XTX is overkill.

 

If he goes for my build then for the next seven years he is not going to complain about not having good performance in games. Agree?

 

The advantage of my build is that it has 4x gen4 m2 storage.

He will have SPDIF quality audio. His audio will be much better with my motherboard.

 

Where is Bluetooth 5.4 ?

Where are the Dual Band Antenna with Stand?

 

And he will have Wi-Fi 7 instead of the slower Wi-Fi 6.

Didn't he say that he uses Wi-Fi?

 

I think in reality he will never complain about the performance of my build, and will be very happy with the benefits of the high-end motherboard.

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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WiFi 7 offers benefits that are a quantum leap forward from WiFi 6 and WiFi 6E. With its faster speeds, lower latency, and significant capacity increases, WiFi 7 the new wireless standard is a major evolution of WiFi 6 and 6E, bears much in common with those earlier standards but with some significant improvements to meet our growing requirements.

OS: FreeBSD 13.2  WM: bspwm  Hardware: Intel 12600KF -- Kingston dual-channel CL36 @6000 -- Sapphire RX 7600 -- BIOSTAR B760MZ-E PRO -- Antec P6 -- Xilence XP550 -- ARCTIC i35 -- EVO 850 500GB

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22 minutes ago, The Hope said:

Never use YouTube video's as your source. There are many unreliable sources on YouTube.

I explained you that I outperform the 7800X3D in Geekbench 6 single-core just by using a Linux system.

 

I can show you as well that the Intel 12600KF can outperform the 7800X3D in several games. What if the OP plays the specific games where the 7800X3D is slower?

 

#1 https://gamegpu.com/rts-/-стратегии/total-war-pharaoh-test-gpu-cpu

 

#2 https://www.phoronix.com/benchmark/result/linux-gaming-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/counter-strike-global-offensive-2560-x-1440-vulkan.svgz

 

The price of the bundle is very nice.

 

You say it will play 1440p but we don't know this and it could be that it will play 1080p. In that case, the RX 7900 XTX is overpriced and actually a misbuy giving no other experience than a Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XT. Even for 1440p most people think the RX 7900 XTX is overkill.

 

If he goes for my build then for the next seven years he is not going to complain about not having good performance in games. Agree?

 

The advantage of my build is that it has 4x gen4 m2 storage.

He will have SPDIF quality audio. His audio will be much better with my motherboard.

 

Where is Bluetooth 5.4 ?

Where are the Dual Band Antenna with Stand?

 

And he will have Wi-Fi 7 instead of the slower Wi-Fi 6.

Didn't he say that he uses Wi-Fi?

 

I think in reality he will never complain about the performance of my build, and will be very happy with the benefits of the high-end motherboard.

Most people state a budget, wanting to get the max for that price level.  If you want to propose a performance level for a specific price point... that is 100% viable.

 

4x Gen4 storage is nice, sure.  Most people don't put multiple drives in a machine though, 1 or 2 is the norm.  But more is better I guess.

 

Wifi 7?  The majority of the world is using Wifi 5, and you're hyping 7?  5 is still perfect.

 

Bluetooth 5.4?  Do you even use it?  

 

Your build is predicated on using features that don't actually add value.  They're the next gen, but do they infact DO anything better or more?

 

The 7800x3d is a stronger CPU than the 12600K on AVERAGE, but if you play a specific game then sure... it may work better for you.  Linux is neat, but niche.  

 

You're right, he didn't say 1440p.  I took it from another person in another thread, so I missed there.  $2k is a 1440p budget in my head though, so going to stick with it.

 

Also, I wouldn't recommend 12600k as it's 2 gens back now.

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3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Also, I wouldn't recommend 12600k as it's 2 gens back now.

 

7800X3D build has a way superior upgrade path. 

 

Building around things like Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 5.4 is like someone got obsessed with the old "future-proof build" chestnut but tried to achieve it by focusing on the most marginal and tertiary concerns. 

 

33 minutes ago, The Hope said:

If he goes for my build then for the next seven years he is not going to complain about not having good performance in games. Agree?

 

7 years is a long time for any PC, but 

@Dedayog's build has a much better chance of hanging in there for seven years than yours. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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7 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Also, I wouldn't recommend 12600k as it's 2 gens back now.

Nope. i5-13400 (Raptor Lake) = repurposed i9-12900K most of the time (= Alder Lake)

 

And 14th gen is just a refresh (= no major performance uplift)

 

It's not exaggerated to say that Alder Lake is very similar to the newest Intel generation.

 

11th gen to 12th gen was a big leap. But 12th -> 13th -> 14th was not a huge difference.

 

I would recommend the Intel 12600KF because it is similar to the fastest AMD CPU's for 4k gaming, and the difference in 1440p gaming is only large if you use the GTX 4090

 

The weaker the GPU, the less difference the CPU makes. And for 1080p gaming the Intel 12600KF scores 160 FPS average in new games on Ultra, meaning that it is very future proof for 1080p gaming.

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6 minutes ago, The Hope said:

Nope. i5-13400 (Raptor Lake) = repurposed i9-12900K most of the time (= Alder Lake)

 

And 14th gen is just a refresh (= no major performance uplift)

 

It's not exaggerated to say that Alder Lake is very similar to the newest Intel generation.

 

11th gen to 12th gen was a big leap. But 12th -> 13th -> 14th was not a huge difference.

 

I would recommend the Intel 12600KF because it is similar to the fastest AMD CPU's for 4k gaming, and the difference in 1440p gaming is only large if you use the GTX 4090

 

The weaker the GPU, the less difference the CPU makes. And for 1080p gaming the Intel 12600KF scores 160 FPS average in new games on Ultra, meaning that it is very future proof for 1080p gaming.

The 7800x3d is the same as the 12600k in 4k?  Even the 5800x3d beats it...

 

Also, arguing against the benefits of 3d cache is a difficult position. 

 

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

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15 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

The 7800x3d is the same as the 12600k in 4k?  Even the 5800x3d beats it...

https://wccftech.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700k-core-i5-14600k-desktop-cpu-review-more-performance-same-price/6/

 

Can you please tell me the CS:GO 4k gaming performance of the 7800x3d and the Intel 12600KF? (you can find it in the link)

 

CS:GO broke the all-time record player count on May 6, 2023, reaching 1,802,853 concurrent players according to SteamCharts.com.

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1 minute ago, The Hope said:

https://wccftech.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i7-14700k-core-i5-14600k-desktop-cpu-review-more-performance-same-price/6/

 

Can you please tell me the CS:GO 4k gaming performance of the 7800x3d and the Intel 12600KF?

 

CS:GO broke its all-time record player count on May 6, 2023, reaching 1,802,853 concurrent players according to SteamCharts.com.

 

CS:GO doesn't exist anymore, you know, and I'm not sure what the part in italics is supposed to be about unless you think people here don't know CS (now Counter-Strike 2) is a very popular game. 

 

However, CPU benchmarks for CS2 are pretty easy to find, and the 7800X3D (and even the 5800X3D) easily defeat the 12600KF.

 

Section discussing this begins at about 15:30 if the video doesn't start there when you play it. 

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1 hour ago, Middcore said:

 

even the 5800X3D easily defeat the 12600KF.

5800X3D is 40% more expensive than the 12600KF but what will the performance difference be with a 12600KF with DDR5-7600 CL36 memory for 4K gaming?

 

1% or 2% performance difference?

 

Can anyone tell the difference between a car that drives 100km/h or 101km/h?

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