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Why does pc analytics.com say the phantom spirit 120se is a better cooler than the frost spirit 140 when, the fs140 shows better results??

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Another source of information that includes both: https://youtu.be/ltNDbgDDLPs

 

 

Should be noted you're getting a good product either way.

 

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wtf is pcanalytics dot com? 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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1 minute ago, Middcore said:

wtf is pcanalytics dot com? 

Cooler and fan tests in performance

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4 minutes ago, koolj12 said:

Cooler and fan tests in performance

 

I'm looking at this page. Where do they say the 120SE is "better"? 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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Never heard of that site before. First rule of thumb is never take a single source as gospel. Always check other reputable sources. If multiple sources state similar, they will usually state why or give theories as to why. 

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Just now, Middcore said:

 

I'm looking at this page. Where do they say the 120SE is "better"? 

hover over coolers then it shoudl say top overall press that

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3 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

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Never heard of that site before. First rule of thumb is never take a single source as gospel. Always check other reputable sources. If multiple sources state similar, they will usually state why or give theories as to why. 

(thank you for putting this in the right category im new to the site I didnt know how to place it my bad)

 

I cant find much or even any comparisions of these two coolers this is my only reputable source 

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9 minutes ago, koolj12 said:

(thank you for putting this in the right category im new to the site I didnt know how to place it my bad)

 

I cant find much or even any comparisions of these two coolers this is my only reputable source 

If you cant find head to head comparisons, then you should be looking at individual reviews of each cooler separately and comparing that way, preferably by the same reviewer so its apples to apples if they follow the same methodology on every review. 

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10 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Another source of information that includes both: https://youtu.be/ltNDbgDDLPs

 

 

Should be noted you're getting a good product either way.

 

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253W:

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this just answered my questions, Thank you.

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50 minutes ago, koolj12 said:

Cooler and fan tests in performance

They do mostly automated tests, constant setup, but it's kinda partial cause it's only 1 config, and coolers don't perform the same on LGA1200, LGA1700, AM4 and AM5

For example Noctua DH-15 performs badly on LGA1700

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

They do mostly automated tests, constant setup, but it's kinda partial cause it's only 1 config, and coolers don't perform the same on LGA1200, LGA1700, AM4 and AM5

For example Noctua DH-15 performs badly on LGA1700

 

 

 

Im running on am5 phantom spirit 120se seems to be all good on there 

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1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

For example Noctua DH-15 performs badly on LGA1700

I thought it is the offset Chiplet AMD CPUs that it struggled to cool without an offset ILM...?

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9 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

I thought it is the offset Chiplet AMD CPUs that it struggled to cool without an offset ILM...?

Think it's for both that the contact surface isn't good...as the DH-15 was designed like 10 years ago, at that time chips were smaller, square and had the hotspot in the center

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2 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Another source of information that includes both: https://youtu.be/ltNDbgDDLPs

 

 

Should be noted you're getting a good product either way.

 

180W: 

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253W:

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I wish I'd seen that video when all the reviewers were BSing about the PA120. Clearly, the PS120 and the FS140 are better, and the FC140 is... wait what? It sucks? Is that right??? 🤔 🤯

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2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

reviewers were BSing about the PA120

Huh? Its fantastic and $32. Context is key, there is like a 7 degree delta between the top and bottom in that particular test. 

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2 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Think it's for both that the contact surface isn't good...as the DH-15 was designed like 10 years ago, at that time chips were smaller, square and had the hotspot in the center

I don't know, my friend, the recent HWC video about the new DRPs suggests that it rocks on the Intel 13th gen... although I don't know if they used a contact frame. Also, I'm a bit leary of open bench testing. 

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26 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Huh? Its fantastic and $32. Context is key, there is like a 7 degree delta between the top and bottom in that particular test. 

Look at their max speed chart.  The PS does rather better but the PA ends up getting much louder. The FS is ultimately the best of the 4 with the FC way behind. 

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28 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Huh? Its fantastic and $32. Context is key, there is like a 7 degree delta between the top and bottom in that particular test. 

It's fine until it gets too hot. Steve@GN pointed that out in his "Champ" video. Price vs performance, it's great, but if you aren't going to be put off by the price difference is get the FS... of course, I'm not a fan of open test bench testing, which both PCA and HWC do... it doesn't stimulate the thermodynamics in most cases in any way close enough.

 

I'd like to see actual RW test results for these coolers instead of test bench lab results that are even less real than being tested in only one case on one CPU. 

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2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Look at their max speed chart.  The PS does rather better but the PA ends up getting much louder. The FS is ultimately the best of the 4 with the FC way behind. 

The Phantom Spirit and Peerless Assassin both end at the same point in that chart noise wise, not to mention the fans they ship with are near identical. The only notable difference being the 7x 6mm heatpipes in the PS vs. the 6x 6mm heatpipes in the PA. 

 

The FS is a different animal having 4x 8mm heatpipes. 


The point was not to get so caught up in these minor details because anyone who sets this stuff up and knows what they're doing is going to manually tune the curve anyway and all these current TR coolers do a good job. Nitpicking over little 2c differences is just silly. 

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8 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

I don't know, my friend, the recent HWC video about the new DRPs suggests that it rocks on the Intel 13th gen... although I don't know if they used a contact frame. Also, I'm a bit leary of open bench testing. 

Yeah the new coolers like DRPs are adapted to new chips (this one seems to be better with Intel than AM5), but the old DH-15 isn't

But it's still bigger than anything else so it still works ok 🙂 

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4 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

The Phantom Spirit and Peerless Assassin both end at the same point in that chart noise wise, not to mention the fans they ship with are near identical. The only notable difference being the 7x 6mm heatpipes in the PS vs. the 6x 6mm heatpipes in the PA. 

 

The FS is a different animal having 4x 8mm heatpipes. 

The point was not to get so caught up in these minor details because anyone who sets this stuff up and knows what they're doing is going to manually tune the curve anyway and all these current TR coolers do a good job. Nitpicking over little 2c differences is just silly. 

No need to be disparaging about it. I'm simply pointing out that, ultimately, the FS won. 

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16 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

No need to be disparaging about it. I'm simply pointing out that, ultimately, the FS won. 

Why I've got one stashed away in the closet for... reasons. It was a good deal LMAO.

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43 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Why I've got one stashed away in the closet for... reasons. It was a good deal LMAO.

Are you deliberately piquing my curiosity?

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11 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Look at their max speed chart.  The PS does rather better but the PA ends up getting much louder. The FS is ultimately the best of the 4 with the FC way behind. 

Gonna double down on this, why the massive discrepancy between the FS and FC does anyone know?

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