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BSOD few times a month, different error every time

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24 minutes ago, uuv66awy said:
  • Ryzen 7 2700
  • 2x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 3200MHz XMP enabled

This combination makes me suspect a very minor RAM instability. The BSODs look familiar from when I was troubleshooting 3200MHz RAM with my 1600X years ago. Zen/Zen+ don't take high-speed DDR4 particularly well, something that Zen2/Zen3 fixed.

 

Dial it back to 3000 or 2933 and see if the issues go away. That said, RAM instability can silently corrupt files in Windows, so I would recommend a reinstall eventually as well.

I built my PC towards end of 2019 and it started getting BSOD quite often this year. I initially tolerated it, but the frequency has been increasing. I'm suspecting it's the GPU but don't know how to verify. The BSOD errors are different every time. Here's a log of all my crashes pulled from event viewer:

Date Error Note
Nov 24, 2023       0x3B: SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION  
Nov 20, 2023 0x3B: SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION What failed: amdkmdag.sys
Nov 18, 2023 0x154: UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION  
Nov 17, 2023 0x139: KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE  
Nov 10, 2023 0xD1: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL  
Nov 7, 2023 0xA: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL  
Oct 16, 2023 0xD1: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL  
Oct 7, 2023 0xA0: INTERNAL_POWER_ERROR  
Oct 1, 2023 0x7E: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED  
Sep 20, 2023 0x18B: SECURE_KERNEL_ERROR  
Sep 13, 2023 0xF7: DRIVER_OVERRAN_STACK_BUFFER  
Aug 29, 2023 0xD1: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL  
Aug 17, 2023 0x3B: SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION  
Aug 8, 2023 0xA0: INTERNAL_POWER_ERROR  
Jul 31, 2023 0x1C7: STORE_DATA_STRUCTURE_CORRUPTION  
Jul 17, 2023 0xA0: INTERNAL_POWER_ERROR  
Jun 13, 2023 0x1A: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT  
Jun 12, 2023 0xEF: CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED  
Jun 8, 2023 0xA0: INTERNAL_POWER_ERROR  
May 25, 2023 0xA: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL  
May 12, 2023 0xEF: CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED  
May 6, 2023 0x133: DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION  
Apr 24, 2023 0xE3: RESOURCE_NOT_OWNED  
Apr 16, 2023 0x3B: SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION  
Mar 21, 2023 0x139: KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE  
Feb 24, 2023 0x9F: DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE  

 

My specs are:

  • Windows 10 pro, 64bit
  • ASRock Fatal1ty B450 GAMING K4
  • Ryzen 7 2700
  • 2x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 3200MHz XMP enabled
  • XFX Radeon RX 570 4GB
  • CORSAIR Force Series MP510 240GB boot drive
  • WD Blue 3D NAND 1TB storage drive
  • Corsair VS550, 550W

Things I've tried

  • sfc /scannow
  • DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
  • chkdsk (forgot the exact command but it's the one where I need to reboot PC and it scans for disk)
  • Update GPU driver

Some Observations

  • The crash feels random. It would crash even when I'm just browsing the internet.
  • I've also been experiencing GPU driver timeout as reported by the AMD software. The screen will go black for a few seconds before recovering.
  • I rarely game. Majority of the time I'm just browsing the internet, watching videos, or word processing tasks.
  • I put PC to hibernation every night, and only restart the PC once in a while. Not sure if this plays a role?
  • The temperature of my CPU and GPU usually hover between 50-60 C. I do not recall ever observing a spike in temperature before BSOD.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, uuv66awy said:
  • Ryzen 7 2700
  • 2x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 3200MHz XMP enabled

This combination makes me suspect a very minor RAM instability. The BSODs look familiar from when I was troubleshooting 3200MHz RAM with my 1600X years ago. Zen/Zen+ don't take high-speed DDR4 particularly well, something that Zen2/Zen3 fixed.

 

Dial it back to 3000 or 2933 and see if the issues go away. That said, RAM instability can silently corrupt files in Windows, so I would recommend a reinstall eventually as well.

Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight)

 

Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi (all-around awesome machine)

 

Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | AsRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4x 10TB WD Whites / 4x 14TB Seagate Exos / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X540-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9207-8i HBA | Fractal Design Node 804 Case (side panels swapped to show off drives) | VMs: TrueNAS Scale; Ubuntu Server (PiHole/PiVPN/NGINX?); Windows 10 Pro; Ubuntu Server (Apache/MySQL)


Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / Seagate 1.5TB HDD | Corsair CX450M | Hauppauge ImpactVCB-PCIe | Mellanox ConnectX-2 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K

 

Camera: Sony ɑ7II w/ Meike Grip | Sony SEL24240 | Samyang 35mm ƒ/2.8 | Sony SEL50F18F | Sony SEL2870 (kit lens) | PNY Elite Perfomance 512GB SDXC card

 

Network:

Spoiler
                           ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)                             UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI)           ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC)
╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC)
║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐   ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant
   (PoE)                 │                        ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle)
                         │                        ╚═ Jesta Cannon*
                         │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐
Notes:                   └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
═══ is Multi-Gigabit                                ├─ Sony Playstation 4 
─── is Gigabit                                      ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center       ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom      └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock)

 

Retired/Other:

Spoiler

Laptop (Rozen-Zulu): Sony VAIO VPCF13WFX | Core i7-740QM | 8GB Patriot DDR3 | GT 425M | Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD | Blu-ray Drive | Intel 7260 Wifi (lived a good life, retired with honor)

Testbed/Old Desktop (Kshatriya): Xeon X5470 @ 4.0GHz | ZALMAN CNPS9500 | Gigabyte EP45-UD3L | 8GB Nanya DDR2 400MHz | XFX HD6870 DD | OCZ Vertex 3 Max-IOPS 120GB | Corsair CX430M | HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe Card | Osprey 230 Video Capture | NZXT H230 Case

TrueNAS Server (La Vie en Rose): Xeon E3-1241v3 | Supermicro X10SLL-F | Corsair H60 | 32GB Micron DDR3L ECC 1600MHz | 1x Kingston 16GB SSD / Crucial MX500 500GB

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27 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

This combination makes me suspect a very minor RAM instability. The BSODs look familiar from when I was troubleshooting 3200MHz RAM with my 1600X years ago. Zen/Zen+ don't take high-speed DDR4 particularly well, something that Zen2/Zen3 fixed.

 

Dial it back to 3000 or 2933 and see if the issues go away. That said, RAM instability can silently corrupt files in Windows, so I would recommend a reinstall eventually as well.

If RAM instability is the issue, why does it only cause problems after 3+ years of usage?

And to dial back the clock speed, do I just disable XMP?

 

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15 minutes ago, uuv66awy said:

If RAM instability is the issue, why does it only cause issues after 3+ years of usage?

Maybe something got jostled in just the right way, or the IMC of the CPU has degraded slightly, or the memory ICs in the RAM have degraded slighly... RAM issues can be pretty non-deterministic.

 

16 minutes ago, uuv66awy said:

And to dial back the clock speed, do I just disable XMP?

You can do that, or you can enable DOCP but select a slower frequency manually.

Main System (Byarlant): Ryzen 7 5800X | Asus B550-Creator ProArt | EK 240mm Basic AIO | 16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-14 | XFX Speedster SWFT 210 RX 6600 | Samsung 990 PRO 2TB / Samsung 960 PRO 512GB / 4× Crucial MX500 2TB (RAID-0) | Corsair RM750X | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10G NIC | Inateck USB 3.0 Card | Hyte Y60 Case | Dell U3415W Monitor | Keychron K4 Brown (white backlight)

 

Laptop (Narrative): Lenovo Flex 5 81X20005US | Ryzen 5 4500U | 16GB RAM (soldered) | Vega 6 Graphics | SKHynix P31 1TB NVMe SSD | Intel AX200 Wifi (all-around awesome machine)

 

Proxmox Server (Veda): Ryzen 7 3800XT | AsRock Rack X470D4U | Corsair H80i v2 | 64GB Micron DDR4 ECC 3200MT/s | 4x 10TB WD Whites / 4x 14TB Seagate Exos / 2× Samsung PM963a 960GB SSD | Seasonic Prime Fanless 500W | Intel X540-T2 10G NIC | LSI 9207-8i HBA | Fractal Design Node 804 Case (side panels swapped to show off drives) | VMs: TrueNAS Scale; Ubuntu Server (PiHole/PiVPN/NGINX?); Windows 10 Pro; Ubuntu Server (Apache/MySQL)


Media Center/Video Capture (Jesta Cannon): Ryzen 5 1600X | ASRock B450M Pro4 R2.0 | Noctua NH-L12S | 16GB Crucial DDR4 3200MT/s CAS-22 | EVGA GTX750Ti SC | UMIS NVMe SSD 256GB / Seagate 1.5TB HDD | Corsair CX450M | Hauppauge ImpactVCB-PCIe | Mellanox ConnectX-2 10G NIC | LG UH12NS30 BD-ROM | Silverstone Sugo SG-11 Case | Sony XR65A80K

 

Camera: Sony ɑ7II w/ Meike Grip | Sony SEL24240 | Samyang 35mm ƒ/2.8 | Sony SEL50F18F | Sony SEL2870 (kit lens) | PNY Elite Perfomance 512GB SDXC card

 

Network:

Spoiler
                           ┌─────────────── Office/Rack ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
Google Fiber Webpass ────── UniFi Security Gateway ─── UniFi Switch 8-60W ─┬─ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Veda (Proxmox Virtual Switch)
(500Mbps↑/500Mbps↓)                             UniFi CloudKey Gen2 (PoE) ─┴─ Veda (IPMI)           ╠═ Veda-NAS (HW Passthrough NIC)
╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╩═ Narrative (Asus USB 2.5G NIC)
║ ┌────── Closet ──────┐   ┌─────────────── Bedroom ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
╚═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╤═ UniFi Switch Flex XG ═╦═ Byarlant
   (PoE)                 │                        ╠═ Narrative (Cable Matters USB-PD 2.5G Ethernet Dongle)
                         │                        ╚═ Jesta Cannon*
                         │ ┌─────────────── Media Center ──────────────────────────────────┐
Notes:                   └─ UniFi Switch 8 ─────────┬─ UniFi Access Point nanoHD (PoE)
═══ is Multi-Gigabit                                ├─ Sony Playstation 4 
─── is Gigabit                                      ├─ Pioneer VSX-S520
* = cable passed to Bedroom from Media Center       ├─ Sony XR65A80K (Google TV)
** = cable passed from Media Center to Bedroom      └─ Work Laptop** (Startech USB-PD Dock)

 

Retired/Other:

Spoiler

Laptop (Rozen-Zulu): Sony VAIO VPCF13WFX | Core i7-740QM | 8GB Patriot DDR3 | GT 425M | Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD | Blu-ray Drive | Intel 7260 Wifi (lived a good life, retired with honor)

Testbed/Old Desktop (Kshatriya): Xeon X5470 @ 4.0GHz | ZALMAN CNPS9500 | Gigabyte EP45-UD3L | 8GB Nanya DDR2 400MHz | XFX HD6870 DD | OCZ Vertex 3 Max-IOPS 120GB | Corsair CX430M | HooToo USB 3.0 PCIe Card | Osprey 230 Video Capture | NZXT H230 Case

TrueNAS Server (La Vie en Rose): Xeon E3-1241v3 | Supermicro X10SLL-F | Corsair H60 | 32GB Micron DDR3L ECC 1600MHz | 1x Kingston 16GB SSD / Crucial MX500 500GB

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specs? (sorry if i missed it)

 

also buy new ram make sure its on the QVL

 

edit: or make sure BIOS and chipset drivers are up to date first!

 

 

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52 minutes ago, uuv66awy said:

And to dial back the clock speed, do I just disable XMP?

hmm yes.

 

 

52 minutes ago, uuv66awy said:

If RAM instability is the issue, why does it only cause problems after 3+ years of usage?

well something changed... Windows update, whatever,  you tell us?

 

 

The direction tells you... the direction

-Scott Manley, 2021

 

Softwares used:

Corsair Link (Anime Edition) 

MSI Afterburner 

OpenRGB

Lively Wallpaper 

OBS Studio

Shutter Encoder

Avidemux

FSResizer

Audacity 

VLC

WMP

GIMP

HWiNFO64

Paint

3D Paint

GitHub Desktop 

Superposition 

Prime95

Aida64

GPUZ

CPUZ

Generic Logviewer

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Maybe something got jostled in just the right way, or the IMC of the CPU has degraded slightly, or the memory ICs in the RAM have degraded slighly... RAM issues can be pretty non-deterministic.

 

You can do that, or you can enable DOCP but select a slower frequency manually.

Thanks for the advice.

I've dropped it to 2933 MHz. Will drop it more if I still see BSOD.

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