Will half hour run time be the new normal

[garethsnaim]

I like the channel but 30 minutes on laser disk and 25 minutes on a KMV switch(!) was well, boring frankly and I moved on half way through.

 

Is this the new norm now? There has been a few.

[_Omega_]

well there were always such "boring" videos and some of them were quite long as well... for me they were quite interesting, especially the laser disk one because i like to hear about such novelty tech stuff, LTT is more infotainment anyways so it does not need to be something from the lab ... the L1Tech switch was a bit boring for me as well because i dont use KVMs so i dont have a need, but i still like the idea so give the great products of other YouTubes a proper test and review... if im not too interested in a video i just skip a part that im not to interested in and condense the video into 5min that way 

[OddOod]

The will, and always have gone, with the audience's attention. They always look at engagement metrics

[OddOod]

On the other hand, I adore a deep dive on niche tech thing. It IS interesting to me. So I'll watch the video, you skip it, and they get to decide if the engagement hit is worth the effort

 

[Dedayog]

15 minutes ago, _Omega_ said:

well there were always such "boring" videos and some of them were quite long as well... for me they were quite interesting, especially the laser disk one because i like to hear about such novelty tech stuff, LTT is more infotainment anyways so it does not need to be something from the lab ... the L1Tech switch was a bit boring for me as well because i dont use KVMs so i dont have a need, but i still like the idea so give the great products of other YouTubes a proper test and review... if im not too interested in a video i just skip a part that im not to interested in and condense the video into 5min that way 

Novelty?  What u talkin about, Willis?!

 

We and other friends had them growing up!  They were mainstream awesome! (with barely any movies out on them though  )

[_Omega_]

10 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Novelty?  What u talkin about, Willis?!

I mean novelty in a way that its a gimmick or just unusual by now, can you use that wort in that way? I thought it could mean that as well, English is not my first language so i dont know... Might be british english...

11 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

 

We and other friends had them growing up!  They were mainstream awesome! (with barely any movies out on them though  )

I only had VHS...

[HanZie82]

Yeah i prefer these half hour ones over 10 minutes when it comes to certain tech.
We need the explanations and such. Just to much info to convey.

But hey, could always put it on 2x speed and halve the time...

[NavyCobra1417]

I think it depends on the topic.

 

When it comes to the KVM video, I'm a bit ambivalent on if it was the right length or could have been shorter.

 

For the LaserDisc, I think the picked the proper length since it offers a historical look back at a technology many people have never experienced.

[Mark Kaine]

8 hours ago, garethsnaim said:

I like the channel but 30 minutes on laser disk and 25 minutes on a KMV switch(!) was well, boring frankly and I moved on half way through.

 

Is this the new norm now? There has been a few.

honestly I think 20-30 minutes is the minimum/ ideal length for a youtube video... 10 minutes or less is typically not worth watching,  unless its very on point,  like DDTS , usually around 10-15 mins, it could be longer but he typically just skips any 

"summary" and that's great too tbh, because he already said everything that was to be said anyway, and its just one of his many quirks that make him funny. 

(i know it may sound like im shilling,  but ddts is genuinely one of the few tech tubers who's actually informative,  on point and "unbiased"  - except you have single channel ram, he doesn't take that kindly lol ~)

[BrandonLatzig]

6 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

honestly I think 20-30 minutes is the minimum/ ideal length for a youtube video... 10 minutes or less is typically not worth watching,

it heavily depends. Like i have to ask you
would you really be bothered ifl, lets say, a video of old mario games, with their shortish levels, are only 10 minutes long? 

[Mark Kaine]

17 minutes ago, BrandonLatzig said:

it heavily depends. Like i have to ask you
would you really be bothered ifl, lets say, a video of old mario games, with their shortish levels, are only 10 minutes long? 

well yes it depends,  but then i would also ask why im watching a video about old mario games

 

 

i often watch something similar but they always have like a "theme" so all n64 games that are 60 fps or something and typically its 10-20 minutes ig, sometimes its longer though...

 

im just saying if its a subject im interested in the longer the better usually,  if its a subject that's only worth talking about for 5 minutes i wonder if its even of interest,  plus *if* im already watching something i just want it to be longer ig?

 

my fav channel currently (mentour pilot) is typically around 30-45 minutes (iirc) and its just more entertaining this way because you get all the details and it makes the story more interesting (technically its actually "reviews" of actual aviation accidents btw - well , for the most part)

 

i mean also with videos like this (reviews, science/ education stuff) longer is generally better because then you have the option,  either watch in full or just skip to interesting parts, you'll still get the gist of it.  So you have options, which you don't if its just a really short "10 minutes video"

 

 

and if we're honest, its *very* difficult to make a good video , especially  reviews, with all the necessary information in just 10 minutes  - even though,  those exist of course.  often its  tutorials though, they often really don't need to be longer,  you don't want to drag them out, if at all possible lol. who's watching a 1 hour tutorial how to connect a router (for example)  lol...

[garethsnaim]

I would argue do we need yet another video about old mario games? 

 

To be fair the laser disk subject could be of interest to some. I am 48, its certainly of my era, but I have techmoan for that. The 25 minute shill for a KVM switch though, sorry but thats a stretch, yeah yeah we all love wendel, but its just a kvm, and expensive kvm.

 

The slightly manic mom pop shop thing was bizzare but fun I guess.

[Neroon]

Why does this topic exist? I get it, if it's not your thing you will tune out, but we should be happy that they are doing these videos, and taking their time.

 

Obviously there is a limit where it's just stretching the video out for no reason, but I doubt they ever do that, because they know engagement will fall off. The only reason I can think off for them doing this, is because they felt it couldn't be done shorter without telling us the whole story.

 

To be clear, I didn't care for the KVM either, the laser disc was more interesting to me because we used to have them, but regardless I don't see why I should watch everything? There are plenty of videos that I either skip, or quit a few minutes, because it doesn't appeal to me. LTT is not a tv show you are following, and you need to get through the 'bad' parts to understand the good parts. 

[LogicalDrm]

On 9/28/2023 at 9:30 AM, garethsnaim said:

I would argue do we need yet another video about old mario games? 

 

To be fair the laser disk subject could be of interest to some. I am 48, its certainly of my era, but I have techmoan for that. The 25 minute shill for a KVM switch though, sorry but thats a stretch, yeah yeah we all love wendel, but its just a kvm, and expensive kvm.

 

The slightly manic mom pop shop thing was bizzare but fun I guess.

To answer your question, yet. We need all the videos of retro games we can get.

 

The LMG video subjects have always been wide variety. You have pointed out 3 videos of last week (about). With those 6 videos (again, about), most have been about 20-25min mark. All of them have been more about technology in general than reviews of any sort. If we go back several months, another 6 videos, we do have half at the 10min mark, and 2nd half at 20 min mark. I do remember seeing threads here that wanted more longer videos as in short video its hard to get into details about anything. Even when 12min video was what LTT was pushing for the longest time. Of those videos 3 were reviews, and of those reviews, 1 was longer. 

 

Considering the production break and new style coming with the next product release cycle, its hard to see whether longer video format is what stays for the reviews. So with that, 12min would be for the reviews and basic technology updates, 25min would be for the in-depth technology looks and 30-40mins would be for vlog-style videos like the buyout you mentioned.

 

As for subjects, those are probably still gonna vary and you might not like or find interesting all of them. Thats fine, we are different. But your likes might not be same as what LMG employees, writers or Linus likes. Or what rest of the community likes. And views on videos tell LMG what type of videos are those that community wants to see more. Linus has said many times that he loves to do looks into old and bizarre hardware.

[nbrowser]

Sometimes you need to go long to take a good look at a subject...take for instance a reaction video I watched last night about a 4 minute 24 second song, the video was over 36 minutes as this person literally went down the rabbit hole as to why this re-invented version of a classic metal song was extremely good and he explained piece by piece. Often times yeah a short attention span like a gnat video is good but sometimes when you want to drill right down and go for the details...you need longer run time. A lot of tech can't be done in quick hits and it's coming around to the point that LMG is discovering this, especially after the break as I'm sure everyone is noticing the format is changing and honestly I think for the better.

[Neroon]

Aside from their views on doing these vids, I would also argue that this is important for growing the channel.

Take laserdiscs. It's not a current subject, and never will be again, but people will look for info on it, whether it be in a year or 10 years.

Those people will likely find find this video at the top of their search, and with that they will find the channel.

 

Sure, most tech enthusiasts know LTT, but like I said, this video isn't just for right now, this video will be just as relevant 10 years from now. So creating content that is interesting for audiences that might not watch LTT, is a good choice.

[BrandonLatzig]

1 hour ago, LogicalDrm said:

To answer your question, yet. We need all the videos of retro games we can get.

 

To be fair, when i made my comment here I was talking more about lets plays, video game videos going through the games themselves and less of a piece for the games, their impact on gaming or on culture, etc.

[thrasher_565]

On 9/27/2023 at 11:30 PM, garethsnaim said:

I would argue do we need yet another video about old mario games? 

 

To be fair the laser disk subject could be of interest to some. I am 48, its certainly of my era, but I have techmoan for that. The 25 minute shill for a KVM switch though, sorry but thats a stretch, yeah yeah we all love wendel, but its just a kvm, and expensive kvm.

 

The slightly manic mom pop shop thing was bizzare but fun I guess.

wendel i think had a thing about kvm switches to a point were he could not find a good one so he got one made... but they were expensive at the time. now i would gladly pay alot for a good kvm... just saying...

 

anyone on you tube or the net can make w/e content they want. yes more mario games...

 

i like wendel i just dont like the videos i guess. its just not my thing. and most of it h ave no idea what hes talking about.

 

but he also dose it for fun as he can do i.t stuff and make probly way more moeny anyway. so he dose what he wants.

[Avaviel]

The ones I get bored with are stat dumps. I want to see what is done with the tech, not graphs.