does AG620 struggle with airflow in small chassis with i5-13600K ?

[MafiaBar]

Hi everybody, I'm from Iran, and this is

my chassis: https://en.green.ir/products/case/pars-evo

I don't know if you guys can reach out to the site so I uploaded its catalogue pictures for you:

https://ibb.co/pQxdP17

https://ibb.co/n0tScMm

https://ibb.co/Sx3rjMZ

https://ibb.co/42Q5D6C

https://ibb.co/hM6yJXQ

https://ibb.co/CmkGLQV

PSU: 800W Bronze

GPU: RX 6800 XT MSI Trio GAMING

RAM: 32GB (16 x 2) CL46 Crucial Classic DDR5 4800MHz

I wanna buy a i5-13600K with Asus Prime Z790-P and of course the CPU Cooler would be AG620 Black ARGB.

first thing that I checked it was if the AG620 fits in my chassis which it does.But now I'm thinking if my chassis is too small for AG620 so I'd have air-flow issues and the CPU Cooler can't do its job therefore I'd get high temps, I just wanted you guys to give your opinions about this. note that I'd fill the chassis with 2 chassis fans to make sure that air-flow is good, plus I'm not looking for any kind of heavy overclocking, just working with boost and perhaps and only sometimes overclocking the CPU up 5.3GHz or 5.5GHz or I'd go for undervolting. I'd rather not go with Liquid Coolers.

So in the end in your opinion would I have temp issues with AG620 in my chassis or not ?

every comment is appreciated and I've love to read them if you please

[Dukesilver27-]

3 hours ago, MafiaBar said:

PSU: 800W Bronze

GPU: RX 6800 XT MSI Trio GAMING

RAM: 32GB (16 x 2) CL46 Crucial Classic DDR5 4800MHz

I wanna buy a i5-13600K with Asus Prime Z790-P and of course the CPU Cooler would be AG620 Black ARGB.

800W Bronze PSU does not bode well, do not cheap out on a PSU. High quality ones are not much more, especially if you could afford 13600K and 6800 XT. You're risking frying the whole PC just because the PSU is low quality.

RAM is way to slow, might as well go with DDR4.

The case seems to have bad airflow, for 6800 XT and 13600K combo, you want high airflow case to ensure max performance.

[venomtail]

11 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

800W Bronze PSU does not bode well, do not cheap out on a PSU. High quality ones are not much more, especially if you could afford 13600K and 6800 XT. You're risking frying the whole PC just because the PSU is low quality.

RAM is way to slow, might as well go with DDR4.

The case seems to have bad airflow, for 6800 XT and 13600K combo, you want high airflow case to ensure max performance.

Since when is 80+ Bronze a risk of frying the PC? Wouldn't that be on individual PSU models? I know Gold is what most aim for now but bronze isn't the end of the world, especially not rich folks.

[Dukesilver27-]

1 minute ago, venomtail said:

Since when is 80+ Bronze a risk of frying the PC? Wouldn't that be on individual PSU models? I know Gold is what most aim for now but bronze isn't the end of the world, especially not rich folks.

Have you seen a high quality Bronze PSU? Best case scenario it would be mid-range, even that is rare. Am I wrong to assume that his PSU is not going to be high quality?

He could afford 13600K and 6800 XT, does a bronze PSU have place in this kind of build? A high quality 750W PSU would cost him 1/7 of those components.

Would you ever recommend 13600K and 6800 XT be paired with a 800W Bronze PSU? I certainly wouldn't.

[venomtail]

12 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Have you seen a high quality Bronze PSU? Best case scenario it would be mid-range, even that is rare. Am I wrong to assume that his PSU is not going to be high quality?

He could afford 13600K and 6800 XT, does a bronze PSU have place in this kind of build? A high quality 750W PSU would cost him 1/7 of those components.

Would you ever recommend 13600K and 6800 XT be paired with a 800W Bronze PSU? I certainly wouldn't.

I mean there's nothing wrong with mid range. It's the non offensive average after all.

 

That being said, doesn't Iran have all sorts of sanctions? Maybe for their average salary a titanium PSU for us costs the same as a bronze for them. I haven't checked their prices.

[Dukesilver27-]

19 minutes ago, venomtail said:

I mean there's nothing wrong with mid range. It's the non offensive average after all.

 

That being said, doesn't Iran have all sorts of sanctions? Maybe for their average salary a titanium PSU for us costs the same as a bronze for them. I haven't checked their prices.

Nothing wrong with mid-range if the rest of the components are mid range as well. 6800 XT could have transient spike higher than RTX 3080, low end PSU is not going to cut it.

If sanctions affect PSU prices, it would only make sense if both GPU and CPU be affected as well. Especially considering the premium MSRP of those components.

[RevGAM]

Let's keep in mind that bronze, etc are about efficiency, not quality. Also, there are some problems with the A+ certification program - read up on it. 

 

The ratings from Cybenetics Lab are superior and provide for both efficiency and noise.

 

Ultimately, however, some problems only crop up in real world situations. 

 

 

[MafiaBar]

The problem is that I do already have the PSU, and again I'm not looking for any kind of overclocking and even some undervolting for better stability 
but with these discussions I might go with RX 6700 XT then. 

and to let you guys know, there's large margin between Gold PSU and Bronze PSU in Iran at least, it's just how the country works, but the company "Green" that's bought the PSU is reliable, though is Bronze but I believe that it is actually Bronze eventhough it would seem very low for you guys.

 

about RAM, I think it's just fine with XMP 3 enabled it would get enough speed just as a none-overclocked DDR4 3200MHz RAM.

 

about the air-flow, I asked other people as well most of them believe that with about two fans behind the front panel and one on top and one rear and another one on the side of the chassis it would fine for a none-overclocked system

with this explanations could you I'd appreciate if you reflect your opinion on this again, Thanks

[MafiaBar]

11 hours ago, Dukesilver27- said:

800W Bronze PSU does not bode well, do not cheap out on a PSU. High quality ones are not much more, especially if you could afford 13600K and 6800 XT. You're risking frying the whole PC just because the PSU is low quality.

RAM is way to slow, might as well go with DDR4.

The case seems to have bad airflow, for 6800 XT and 13600K combo, you want high airflow case to ensure max performance.

Again not looking for 'max performance' and no OC, just using the CPU as its boost frequency (5.1 GHz) and XMP 3 and normal GPU usage that's all 
and given that I have AG620 I don't think that cooler can't handle the CPU with just intel's boost frequency 

[Dukesilver27-]

Yea doesn't matter whether you'd do any OC or not, look at this chart.

The power spike alone could shut down your PC out of nowhere, lower quality PSU could die after one such spikes. If only the PSU that died, it would've been fine, but it could also kill everything it powers at the same time, no one could know. Mid-range ones may survive but may not survive multiple spikes after that. High quality ones would be fine.

 

So, do you want to risk killing your $1000 PC just to save money on the PSU?

 

AG620 is an air cooler, it relies on airflow to cool, if the PC has hot air all the time, how is it going to cool?

My main concern is the GPU, it pulls 300W on stock settings, do you know how much heat is that? I have 6800 XT, my case has very good airflow, trust me, you do not want half-assed cases for this GPU.

[MafiaBar]

5 hours ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Yea doesn't matter whether you'd do any OC or not, look at this chart.

The power spike alone could shut down your PC out of nowhere, lower quality PSU could die after one such spikes. If only the PSU that died, it would've been fine, but it could also kill everything it powers at the same time, no one could know. Mid-range ones may survive but may not survive multiple spikes after that. High quality ones would be fine.

 

So, do you want to risk killing your $1000 PC just to save money on the PSU?

 

AG620 is an air cooler, it relies on airflow to cool, if the PC has hot air all the time, how is it going to cool?

My main concern is the GPU, it pulls 300W on stock settings, do you know how much heat is that? I have 6800 XT, my case has very good airflow, trust me, you do not want half-assed cases for this GPU.

I don't understand just look at this: https://outervision.com/b/hzmehF this would be my system and again none-overclocked just using XMP 3

and as you can see for understanding the highest wattage that my CPU can take I set the TDP to 100%

 

Here is my whole system just without RX 6800 XT and TDP set to 100%: https://outervision.com/b/4oG7cO
it's just drawing 390W, and if we add that 344W (which is just a spike and it's not always like this) we get 734W

which I think a 800W Bronze PSU can handle 734W 

 

as you can see in the image it recommends a 80+ Bronze 750W PSU, but I have a 80+ 800W PSU

also don't worry about the manufacturer as I said it's one the bests in Iran

[Dukesilver27-]

Okay whatever, the risk is on you anyway, I've done my part for the community, the rest is up to you.

[MafiaBar]

No, I'm not trying to force, just wanna know why you're very concerned about this as the results say It's not that bad, that's why I ask in the community, just wanna know your reason, why even though the PSU Calculator says so, you say it's high-risk ?

 

Edit: and I'm very thankful and appreciate your concern and reflect on this.

[RevGAM]

Duke is confusing quality with efficiency, it seems. I understand his concern and that it is hard to make sense of.  He has specifically said quality but A Plus, as I explained, is only about efficiency and not quality. A gold PSU wastes less electricity than lower-rated ones but it may not be better in quality. Sometimes, even, a higher-rated PSU can have worse quality. 

 

Point of fact, the Cybenetics Lab ratings are more trustworthy than A Plus. 

 

The simplest way to resolve this is to list the specific PSUs you are considering and which tier they are in the Cultist PSU Tiers List. The tiers list is based on many factors, including tests and reviews, and takes into consideration quality. 

 

I will point out that if your power supply is unstable, your electrical system isn't grounded, and/or there are frequent power outages, you will need additional equipment, such as a surge protector, grounding cable, and UPS. Here's an article with more info. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/10-ways-to-protect-systems-from-electrical-catastrophes/

[MafiaBar]

13 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Duke is confusing quality with efficiency, it seems. I understand his concern and that it is hard to make sense of.  He has specifically said quality but A Plus, as I explained, is only about efficiency and not quality. A gold PSU wastes less electricity than lower-rated ones but it may not be better in quality. Sometimes, even, a higher-rated PSU can have worse quality. 

 

Point of fact, the Cybenetics Lab ratings are more trustworthy than A Plus. 

 

The simplest way to resolve this is to list the specific PSUs you are considering and which tier they are in the Cultist PSU Tiers List. The tiers list is based on many factors, including tests and reviews, and takes into consideration quality. 

 

I will point out that if your power supply is unstable, your electrical system isn't grounded, and/or there are frequent power outages, you will need additional equipment, such as a surge protector, grounding cable, and UPS. Here's an article with more info. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/10-ways-to-protect-systems-from-electrical-catastrophes/

Yeah I checked the Cybenetics Lab, my PSU wasn't there, but some Green PSU's where in the list, OK Thanks