I wish to upgrade my pc for better editing/games (430usd budget)

[Artem ilienko]

Budget (including currency): 15'000 bhat, which roughly amounts to 430usd

Country: Thailand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:

Premiere Pro (for high quality video rendering), Battlefield 1, Apex legends (or games that require higher graphics in the future as I buy more games)

 

Other details:
I apologize for anything I miss as I lack of knowledge but I have
Graphics card - ASUS STRIX GTX750TI-OC-2GD5
Cpu - Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460  CPU @ 3.20GHz   3.20 GHz
Memory - 16gb DDR3

Motherboard - ASUS H97M-E 
Storage - 466gb Seagate BarraCuda SSD ZA500CM10002
Power Supply - PM Atx - 550W

(if enough is left over, a new monitor would be of great use for games)
Monitor - acer k242hl 60hz

 

I'm making this post to get advice on what I could purchase to upgrade with my budget since I lack knowledge and what would be the best area to purchase these upgrades

 

[CWALD]

A new platform (motherboard, cpu, ram) would be a great starting point. Then upgrade your GPU later. Personally I would sell my existing platform on the used market to increase my budget and then go for newer used hardware. I have no idea what the used market is like over there but if you can survive for a little while without a computer between selling and buying then you could probably get a used ryzen 3000 or 5000 that would be a huge uplift.

[filpo]

19 minutes ago, Artem ilienko said:

I apologize for anything I miss as I lack of knowledge but I have
Graphics card - ASUS STRIX GTX750TI-OC-2GD5
Cpu - Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4460  CPU @ 3.20GHz   3.20 GHz
Memory - 16gb DDR3

Motherboard - ASUS H97M-E 
Storage - 466gb Seagate BarraCuda SSD ZA500CM10002
Power Supply - PM Atx - 550W

(if enough is left over, a new monitor would be of great use for games)
Monitor - acer k242hl 60hz

 

I'm making this post to get advice on what I could purchase to upgrade with my budget since I lack knowledge and what would be the best area to purchase these upgrades

What's your case? Is it an mATX case?

If not then I would probably go for this

PCPartPicker Part List: https://th.pcpartpicker.com/list/4v3Fgb

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (฿5109.34 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (฿7825.02 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (฿2403.54 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Total: ฿15337.90

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

This is the best I can come up with via www.invadeit.co.th/

1 hour ago, filpo said:

What's your case? Is it an mATX case?

If not then I would probably go for this

PCPartPicker Part List: https://th.pcpartpicker.com/list/4v3Fgb

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (฿5109.34 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (฿7825.02 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (฿2403.54 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Total: ฿15337.90

I tried to start with Pcpartpicker too, but its not worth it - the only merchant featured on the thai version is neweggs, so the price are atrocious, and left me quite confused.

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

And also, you can get viper steel 3200mhz RAM for ~50% more money than that 2666mhz memory, but I thought it is not worth it.

The PSU is the cheapest one with DC-DC design, definitely a step above all others to those priced similarly. Actually, I had this unit myself and have sold it! coincidences. 

The SSD was the one of the cheapest M.2 NVME drives around 500GB. It cost too much to get one with DRAM cache, so this will have to do. The cheaper hiksvision one is not worth it in my opinion. They use maxiotech controller and YMTC NAND, not that much cheaper. 

I figured your pc is ~9 years old now, so keeping the storage and power supply is not safe, and I've not heard of that PSU brand you have now.

 

You should definitely look for more thai pc shops and compare prices, you can probably save a bit more because often shops will have their cheap CPU but expensive GPU, and another shop might be the opposite.

 

Edit: forgot to mention that I assume you will re-use your case. It should fit? Your current motherboard is 24.4cm x 19.8cm, the asrock shown is 23.0 x 20.1, and there is a Gigabyte option at same price thats 23.3x19.8. I didn't bother research which one is better, they are probably similar but I have spent 3 hours looking for thai pc parts..

[Artem ilienko]

19 hours ago, filpo said:

What's your case? Is it an mATX case?

If not then I would probably go for this

PCPartPicker Part List: https://th.pcpartpicker.com/list/4v3Fgb

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (฿5109.34 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (฿7825.02 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (฿2403.54 @ Newegg Thailand) 
Total: ฿15337.90

ah I don't have an matx case, I got some random one, all of the parts I had have been passed down to me from either friends or family, I've been with this pc since childhood so I have no clue what case I have, there is no clear labels on it that say it's model or name either, regarding the parts, will my graphics card be able to work with the MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard board? From what I heard I also need a stronger power supply if I was to upgrade my cpu, maybe it was something wrong I heard but do I need one?

[Artem ilienko]

18 hours ago, cautiouslyoptimistic said:

This is the best I can come up with via www.invadeit.co.th/

I tried to start with Pcpartpicker too, but its not worth it - the only merchant featured on the thai version is neweggs, so the price are atrocious, and left me quite confused.

This looks great I think but would it work with any older cases? If not then what cases do I need to look for specifically that would fit all these parts?

[Artem ilienko]

18 hours ago, cautiouslyoptimistic said:

And also, you can get viper steel 3200mhz RAM for ~50% more money than that 2666mhz memory, but I thought it is not worth it.

The PSU is the cheapest one with DC-DC design, definitely a step above all others to those priced similarly. Actually, I had this unit myself and have sold it! coincidences. 

The SSD was the one of the cheapest M.2 NVME drives around 500GB. It cost too much to get one with DRAM cache, so this will have to do. The cheaper hiksvision one is not worth it in my opinion. They use maxiotech controller and YMTC NAND, not that much cheaper. 

I figured your pc is ~9 years old now, so keeping the storage and power supply is not safe, and I've not heard of that PSU brand you have now.

 

You should definitely look for more thai pc shops and compare prices, you can probably save a bit more because often shops will have their cheap CPU but expensive GPU, and another shop might be the opposite.

 

Edit: forgot to mention that I assume you will re-use your case. It should fit? Your current motherboard is 24.4cm x 19.8cm, the asrock shown is 23.0 x 20.1, and there is a Gigabyte option at same price thats 23.3x19.8. I didn't bother research which one is better, they are probably similar but I have spent 3 hours looking for thai pc parts..

about the shops, is there any place that has a list of shops in thailand that are trusted and have decent prices? And sorry I missed the last part of this reply before I replied to the other message, to look for a case do I simply search for 23.3x19.8? Should I search for an mtax one that the other person mentioned?

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

it should fit just fine, the ATX standard size motherboard and PSUs have not changed in a long long time. 

Can you send a pic of your PC? specifically a picture of your case overall with focus on motherboard, a picture of where the GTX750Ti is installed, and a picture of where the PSU is installed.

[Artem ilienko]

1 minute ago, cautiouslyoptimistic said:

it should fit just fine, the ATX standard size motherboard and PSUs have not changed in a long long time.

I see, thank you! I will get back to this thread or post when I receive everything I need, thank you all for your help

[Artem ilienko]

49 minutes ago, cautiouslyoptimistic said:

it should fit just fine, the ATX standard size motherboard and PSUs have not changed in a long long time. 

Can you send a pic of your PC? specifically a picture of your case overall with focus on motherboard, a picture of where the GTX750Ti is installed, and a picture of where the PSU is installed.

Oh I didn't see the edit, here is a photo of it

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

12 minutes ago, Artem ilienko said:

Oh I didn't see the edit, here is a photo of it

yes, the case should work fine, it looks like it will fit slightly larger board,the PSU, and GPU just fine.

Not easy for me to search for Thai PC shops, I can only leave this job up to you if you're interested in doing more research work to save more money. maybe cheaper GPU would be good.

 

[Artem ilienko]

On 6/10/2023 at 8:32 PM, cautiouslyoptimistic said:

yes, the case should work fine, it looks like it will fit slightly larger board,the PSU, and GPU just fine.

Not easy for me to search for Thai PC shops, I can only leave this job up to you if you're interested in doing more research work to save more money. maybe cheaper GPU would be good.

 

Hey just wanted to go back and ask but with a bit of a higher budget, what other motherboard would be great to get? I heard that the AsRock A520M-HVS is used in office computers, it's not that I doubt that the asrock one will be good enough, just thought that since I'm upgrading and got some more money, I might as well go all the way

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

I looked at your current PC, and your budget for new PC, and guessed that by the next time you want a upgrade, it will be an entirely new PC (probably when fast DDR5 becomes stable and cheap).

 

The A520M-HVS is not great, but if it has the ports you need, should run the 3500 without any throttling, that's not a guarantee but a guess.

In the review here, A520M-HVS run the 3600XT at 4.1ghz, which is not 3600XT's max, but reviewer said he ran 3600XT with the stock cooler. they got the worse version of the motherboard, and even then will still run 3500 just fine.

it's vrm temperature running the 3600XT is 66.8C, so not dangerous, and also why i guess that its the CPU cooler thats slowing down the 3600XT (the 3700x made the vrm much hotter, but still under 90c, aka "ok")

you should get at least 95%+ the performance while doing rendering or cpu heavy jobs, and it shouldn't be different to other boards while you're gaming, because gaming is not a sustained all core load.

 

I wanted to find out more about the same priced gigabyte board but could not find it in the vrm spreadsheet that i usually use.

on visual inspection here and here, I'm guessing it is something like 6 phase controller, probably same one as the asrock, in 3 + 3 mode, which is maybe even worse, i really don't know because every board manufacturer upload picture low res enough so i can't read the writing on the mosfets.

 

none of the board under 3000 looked that good, you can buy a fan for example the 370 arctic p12 and have it blow air at the vrm if you're worried.

otherwise:

for 2290, the a520m-a pro has better vrm, maybe the best under 3000, but no heatsink. 

for 2350, the b450m-s2h is the cheapest board to have a (small) VRM heatsink, and can overclock. im not sure how much you can overclock, but you can.

for 2680, the b450m pro-vdh max has the same, decent vrm as a520m-a pro, but with a small heatsink and can oc. best board under 3000 on that website.

if you buy the msi board, maybe you can upgrade to 5800x3d in a few years. but if you use this PC as long as the age of last one, then maybe don't bother.

if you do intend to upgrade to zen 3 (ryzen 5xxx), i would suggest getting better DDR4 ram too, coz u'll be using that again. i think i said you can get the viper steel 3200mhz.

 

for 2990, the tuf gaming has a medium sized heatsink, but it is a520 so cannot overclock, and vrm is not as good as the b450m pro-vdh.

 

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Below attached is me wasting ~1 hour looking at the motherboard database and coming up with calculations. Anyways i did not finish it, but you can read it or use it to get an idea of picking motherboard in future.

 

finally, i think you should ask more in thai communities to get more pc shop names or computer part search engines in thai, or use google, to find more comparisons. if you start to want better something , it will be expensive if you stick with 1 shop only.

 

artem - Copy.docx

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

I used links on this site to find more shops: https://www.cleverthai.com/best-computer-stores-bangkok/

and found some better deals. for example, 3290baht 12100f, which makes the better 12100f + h610m builds viable at your given budget.

too much to look at for me now...

[cautiouslyoptimistic]

New (Better!) build from https://computeandmore.com/

 

motherboard is placeholder, I suggest GIGABYTE H610M S2H(+300baht) which is currently out of stock and so I cannot add it to cart.

and I also think H610M H(+190baht), which is cheaper than s2h, uses exactly same VRM. want to be safe? get S2H, but I am PRETTY SURE.
both is OUT OF STOCK, and the MSI placeholder motherboard is "ok" for 12100f, but the other two can maybe handle 12700 at full power.

Tom's hardware did reviews by putting 12900k on 3 H610M boards.

 

MSI says that PSU uses DC-DC. The coolermaster MWE "safe choice" is out of stock(and 100baht more), a legit-looking vietnamese review(put this into google translate) says this PSU performs good, while that might be true, this guy suggest that they used cheap components. It will give you computer decent power, but MWE is simply better if you want to wait for that one.

 

I'm pretty sure this is the best build possible. You should check the other shops regardless, but this one's price seems about right. with the h610m h and mwe PSU, comes down to 14950baht

 

this site also has 23.8'' 165hz VA monitor for 4650, future upgrade maybe. Amazon review says it has ghosting, which is fair as it is a VA panel, but thailand doesn't have much display choices.

 

Edited June 12 by cautiouslyoptimistic

[Artem ilienko]

7 hours ago, cautiouslyoptimistic said:

New (Better!) build from https://computeandmore.com/

 

motherboard is placeholder, I suggest GIGABYTE H610M S2H(+300baht) which is currently out of stock and so I cannot add it to cart.

and I also think H610M H(+190baht), which is cheaper than s2h, uses exactly same VRM. want to be safe? get S2H, but I am PRETTY SURE.
both is OUT OF STOCK, and the MSI placeholder motherboard is "ok" for 12100f, but the other two can maybe handle 12700 at full power.

Tom's hardware did reviews by putting 12900k on 3 H610M boards.

 

MSI says that PSU uses DC-DC. The coolermaster MWE "safe choice" is out of stock(and 100baht more), a legit-looking vietnamese review(put this into google translate) says this PSU performs good, while that might be true, this guy suggest that they used cheap components. It will give you computer decent power, but MWE is simply better if you want to wait for that one.

 

I'm pretty sure this is the best build possible. You should check the other shops regardless, but this one's price seems about right. with the h610m h and mwe PSU, comes down to 14950baht

 

this site also has 23.8'' 165hz VA monitor for 4650, future upgrade maybe. Amazon review says it has ghosting, which is fair as it is a VA panel, but thailand doesn't have much display choices.

 

thank you for taking the time out of your day for all of this! I don't really know how to reply so sorry if it seems like I'm avoiding it, it's just I really do not know much about a lot of this