Thread for LTT Labs Test Suggestions

[LMGcommunity]

Use this thread as a place to suggest products for us at LTT Labs to look into testing!

 

If possible, provide reasoning as to how our testing would provide value to the community.

 

Disclaimer: Not all suggestions will end up being tested, but we still want to hear from you!

[OhYou_]

use your environmental chamber to test socks

[ToboRobot]

5 minutes ago, OhYou_ said:

use your environmental chamber to test sandals and socks

great idea

[Somerandomtechyboi]

primary reccomendation would be cpu degradation testing

 

Itd be nice to have some concrete safe voltages so ppl dont go overly conservative with their volts and nuke performance as a result (ex 1.35v vtt on x58) or ppl that push abit too much voltage and end up noticably degrading their cpus within a year

 

Test voltage (vcore) and temp degradation since degradation is dependant on these 2 factors (both connected so cant test seperately) test with temps of 115c, 105c, 95c, 85c, 75c, 65c, and 50c. So as an example 1v 115c, 1.1v 115c, - 1.6v 115c. obviously test as many gens as possible just incase some might degrade differently even though the lithography is still the same but i think youll wanna focus on zen4, zen3, zen, bulldozer/piledriver, 13th gen, 11th gen, 6th gen, 4th gen, and 2nd gen core

 

 

For a secondary test reccomendation id also like to see how much imcs degrade depending on imc voltage and vdimm, similar to the vcore tests but with imc voltage (vccsa/io, vsoc, whatever its called) and vdimm. This is abit more niche since ppl tend to shy away from ram oc but for the ones that wanna dabble in this stuff then this would also be pretty nice to have solid safe voltages again so no over conservative volts nuking performance or way too much volt nuking the imc, cause atm the only vdimm for ddr4 that id limit myself to would be 1.7v and i still call that a mere sanity limit (also cooling limit) than an actual safe voltage cause idk what the actual max safe is and im just going off other ocers that actually push their rams and not follow the 1.5v max vdimm for all nonsense since some ics are alot more resilient than others

 

And speaking of that i guess i may aswell add a tertiary reccomendation which would be testing ram ics themselves for degradation cause some ics are more resilient than others. Testing methodology would be similar to cpus though temp range would be more like 50 - 40 - 30 - 20c cause afaik >50c just nukes ram oc but fine for normal usage. So 50c 1.35v - 1.45v - 1.55v --- 2.2v or whatever board you guys got that supports >2v. Id like ddr4 and ddr5 tested, as for ram ics on the ddr4 side would be hynix 8 & 16gbit cjr and djr, samsung 8gbit b and d die (unaware of any popular 16gbit samsung ics), and micron 8 & 16gbit rev e,b. As for ddr5 test samsung 16gbit b die, hynix 16gbit m, a die, and micron 16gbit a die

[Elisis]

I'd say it's more important to focus on the key components first instead of introducing more content that'd require time being put into developing a methodology, training staff, etc. Especially considering the low volume of reviews released already, and the time it took to cover e.g. 7950X3D.

[SorryBella]

18 hours ago, LMGcommunity said:

Use this thread as a place to suggest products for us at LTT Labs

Id rather LTT Labs focusing on the fundamentals like @Elisis puts it, but also focus on SEO. Userbenchmark shithouse parades really needed to be rained on with truth that the labs cant provide if they cant be the first result in Google. Just because youre a 15 million subbed youtube channel doesnt make you a guaranteed top result.

[Dark Esper]

Hello, Love the show. I am a Long time fan. With all the the "ultra" portable/gaming products already/coming out; an in-depth review of the m.2 2242 sata/nvme drives stating but not limited to who/where to get them that are not "sketchy" would be great thanks.

 

Dark Esper

[Guest]

How much plastic wraps and peels actually help prevent damage in shipping.

Including but not limited to PCI connector covers, and HDMI/Display port slot inserts that come on most modern graphics cards.

[Jaco Campher]

Test airflow on laptops. https://www.instagram.com/p/CraztltApX5/?hl=en

 

Don't think this will provide useful stats, but it will look cool on your videos. :)

[spoorman51]

Maybe it is a bit lame, but, I think it would be interesting if the labs set up a test bench with some hard drives in jigs at different angles (ex. 0°, 15°, 30°) and test their lifespan over a few months by running some extensive read/writes to them. The reason being that we've seen Tech Upgrade videos where people had HDDs in all sorts of positions, did this cause any lasting measurable damage?

 

I think it would be a good test since the footprint for this rig could be small and would only require some occasional monitoring from an engineer/technician.

[RTX 3090]

Testing the real capacity (jn mah or wh) of phone, laptop and power bank batteries

[spoorman51]

Can there be a measurement of the heat dissipation of different PC radiators? Manufacturers seem to sometimes offer the heat load for a radiator but most don't and only a few vendors. such as Alphacool, actually returned to me with this information. This could provide value as a generalization for people sizing water cooling setups, from a basic level you could match the heat load to the component power draw. 

 

Knowing that heat transfer relies on so many variables to offer exact answers outside of specific cases, establishing a baseline of steady-state water temperature could be done by testing the hottest components. If you could approximate what a "saturated" system looks like from components then this could be the target inlet temperature for a radiator in a test rig.

 

Some things that I can think of that would need to be kept constant:

• Flow rate -  likely to be chosen by the engineering team
• Inlet water temp - perhaps controlled with a Sous-Vide and a large volume to offer stability
• Air temp & humidity - this would take up precious space in the environmental chamber
• Fan speed - maybe locked at noctua iPPC fans and RPM determine by finding a "comfortable" volume
• Process fluid - probably distilled water to keep it accessible and consistent

 

Things I can think of that would need to be actively monitored:

• Flow Rate - to allow for a more accurate mass flow calculation
• Water temperaure at the inlet and outlet

[Meare]

There are too many aux cables to choose from on amazon. The prices rarely scale with claimed features nor the resulting quality. You guys have one of those fancy cable tester devices and an audio specialist. I think a very helpful tech item to have stats available on would be audio cables, specifically aux cables, as none of them have in-depth measurements or data whatsoever. They just make qualitative claims on their shielding and signal quality.

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

Mouse switches! do they actually last 80, 50 or 20 million clicks, i have a mouse with Omron D2FC-F-K (50M) switches and i do not believe i would click 50 million times in around a year which is around 135 thousand clicks a day. If this has been posted, i really want you guys to test that and while you're at it, keyboard switches could also have this testing done

[tassadarforaiur]

Please test the connection strength / stability of bluetooth audio devices (headsets, earbuds, etc.) Audio cutting out / getting choppy / garbled is really common with a lot of bluetooth headsets, probably moreso for android users. Is this the headsets themselves, is it the fault of the devices we're pairing them to (android phones, windows computers, iphones, etc?), and how heavily do factors like the phone being inside a jeans pocket affect the connection strength.

 

Personally, I heavily use plantronics voyager headsets because they're one of the only devices on the market with an onboard button to mute yourself during calls, but things quickly turn to garbage paired with a galaxy z fold 4 that's in my pocket. my samsung galaxy buds 2 also have audio drops with phone in jeans pocket. The story was just as bad on the old lg v60 phone.

 

Who's fault is it, and what products do I need to buy to have tolerable listening experience on the go, without going iphone / airpods tried and true.

 

[AndreiArgeanu]

Just in general, try to create a standardadised bench to be used for benchmarks and benchmark a lot of present and past CPU's and GPU's respectively. It's often that there's very little to compare against when looking at LLT reviews on newly released products. And you could also make use of that data to make a userwenchmark replacement as well on the LLT labs wesbite.

[yesiamzach]

- glass scratch resistance; phone screens & backs, laptop screens, camera lenses...

- headphone padding softness, headband and ear cup

- laptop cooling fan noise

- laptop (or folding phone) hinge resistance (ONE FINGER OPEN-ABILITY like alex does on shortcircuit) and "wiggle room" (elastic adjustability without the hinge actually moving, floppyness, looseness, wobblyness, hinge rigidity, hard to explain what I mean...)

- minimum peak brightness, I wanna watch tv in bed

- noise cancelling pressure feeling and hissing

- some headphones sound worse while you are using the mic like my BOSE QC35ii's, audio while on the phone or discord is doodoo

- headphone ear cup depth, I don't like when my ear touches the inside of my headphones, again my QC35ii's fit my ears without touching, the sony WH-1000XM2's do not, they push my ears back towards the side of my head.

- I have no idea how but please find a way to PROVE that windows is TERRIBLE at handling bluetooth devices.

 

not really a test but if you do in depth product reports then materials reports, i.e. super close up photos of the leather texture on a headphone cup and stuff like that

 

Also do a checklist comparison tool! I wanna tick the features I care about like battery capacity, screen resolution and peak brightness and filter out the other info so that no matter what else there is about those laptops I pick the cheapest one that meets MY needs.

 

For the audio products please include in the product page a recording from inside the dummy head with/without noise cancelling while playing different standardized unwanted sounds outside the head and maybe include these recordings in the comparison tool too.

[seanondemand]

I’m not sure if the cable tester has fallen under the Labs purview, but a roundup of popular, good buy USB-C cables for charging, 10gbps, USB4 compliant cables etc 

[AamirA]

Mesh wifi systems. There are so many and absolutely no specs associated with any of them except what version of wifi they use. Range, speed, device limit, features.

[DeerDK]

Noise test of especially GPUs, but also CPU coolers, PSUs ect. 

And with focus on how low the noise can get while still running steady. 

 

I recall SilentPCreview recommending the gtx 960 strix, while noting that the auto curve was quite aggressive and noisy, but the card ran very well with fans on 30-35% being near silent. 

 

Generally some comparable noise charts for us who game in the living room and such. 

 

Edit: found the link: https://silentpcreview.com/asus-geforce-gtx-960-strix-oc-edition/

 

They did temperature normalized testing instead of noise normalized testing, which was very nice to see how quiet it could run

[Evi]

Labs testing the new M2 Mac Pro

 

With the new M2 Mac Pros soon coming out, I think the labs team should add transcoding to be a part of their testing. Different formats from different cameras, anything from open gate arriraw to proress 4444 XQ transcoding to Prores Proxy and Dnx36.
 

Macs are heavily optimized to work with prores, it would be cool to see them face off with comparably priced PCs.

While resolve can't be used to transcode to prores on PC, Scratch Play Pro is actually licensed by Apple to transcode to native prores - nothing hacky about it.

While editors in film might prefer PCs, the pipeline from camera to the editor is dominated by Macs. Transcode speeds in frames per second aren't something that Apple (or Intel, AMD, or Nvidia for that matter) advertise or even mention anywhere and the only tests available can be found in tight-knit DIT forums. This could be infinitely useful for us, thanks.

Edited June 27, 2023 by LogicalDrm
Prepared for merge

[emosun]

Be neat to see what it can do if it's optimized for it.

Though I wouldn't blame anyone if the topic just wasn't interesting to the majority of people as most people don't shoot or even have a way of consuming pro res content.

[spoorman51]

After completion of the RF chamber, could there be a demonstration with a pc; as well as a mouse and keyboard that run off of separate 2.4GHz wireless dongles? What I think would be interesting and of value is seeing what reception looks like for these components as the dongles are moved around to different ports. I recently encountered problems with a mouse and a keyboard both dropping out and discovered that their proximity was causing issues. It may be anecdotal but even to say a minimum distance would be interesting.

[IanSzot]

Now that the RF Chamber is complete I'd like to see tests on wireless microphones from cheap to professional (Shure Axient, Sennheiser 6000). I hope the Labs don't limit itself to consumer stuff only

[ImorallySourcedElectrons]

What'd be useful is to test the audible noise of some of the more common smart bulbs. Like some of the IKEA ones have this capacitor or coil whine (never opened one up, always returned it  ) at the edge of the audible spectrum that can drive people who hear it insane.

 

But as I stated elsewhere, what'd be really useful is that you 3D scan all the mice you test and put an STL file of the shell online, that way we could "feel" mice without having to ship/return/ship/return/ship/return to find something that fits if we have access to a 3D printer.