Can 210 watts proprietary psu run gtx 1050 or 1650?

[ZieloM]

Hello guys i would like to ask if my 210watts psu can run gtx 1050 or 1650

 

pc specs

i5 10500

2x8gb 2666mhz ddr4 ram

mini itx/sff mother board lga 1200

210watts platinum 80+ psu

 

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, ZieloM said:

Hello guys i would like to ask if my 210watts psu can run gtx 1050 or 1650

 

pc specs

i5 10500

2x8gb 2666mhz ddr4 ram

mini itx/sff mother board lga 1200

210watts platinum 80+ psu

 

depends what model gpu you get. Does your psu have a 6 pin pcie power connector? If it does then look for a model with a 6 pin power input. If it doesn't then really try to look for one that doesn't require external power

[ZieloM]

3 minutes ago, filpo said:

depends what model gpu you get. Does your psu have a 6 pin pcie power connector? If it does then look for a model with a 6 pin power input. If it doesn't then really try to look for one that doesn't require external power

I am planning to buy gtx 1050 or 1650 

both gpu does not need extra pins

their tdp is only at 75watts max

[filpo]

Just now, ZieloM said:

I am planning to buy gtx 1050 or 1650 

both gpu does not need extra pins

their tdp is only at 75watts max

It should be fine then. It'll draw all its power from the motherboard pcie slot

[FrowningHippo]

3 minutes ago, ZieloM said:

I am planning to buy gtx 1050 or 1650 

both gpu does not need extra pins

their tdp is only at 75watts max

Since your CPU has a TDP of 65 watt, it's going to be a bit anemic. I would advise you check the Motherboard TDP as well and decide if it's going to be to close for comfort. 

 

Regular MoBo should be between 25 to 40 watt. So you'd still be under 210 watt. But there is not much wiggleroom for peaks in powerusage. It doesn't seem impossible.

[PDifolco]

31 minutes ago, ZieloM said:

Hello guys i would like to ask if my 210watts psu can run gtx 1050 or 1650

 

pc specs

i5 10500

2x8gb 2666mhz ddr4 ram

mini itx/sff mother board lga 1200

210watts platinum 80+ psu

 

Didn't even think a desktop 210W PSU could exist, my laptop power brick is 170W  

Rly you should get a better one ...

[ZieloM]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Didn't even think a desktop 210W PSU could exist, my laptop power brick is 170W  

Rly you should get a better one ...

Most sff has psu that runs on 180 - 210 - 350 watts haha

[ZieloM]

29 minutes ago, FrowningHippo said:

Since your CPU has a TDP of 65 watt, it's going to be a bit anemic. I would advise you check the Motherboard TDP as well and decide if it's going to be to close for comfort. 

 

Regular MoBo should be between 25 to 40 watt. So you'd still be under 210 watt. But there is not much wiggleroom for peaks in powerusage. It doesn't seem impossible.

What should be the ideal tdp for the board? 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Could you take a picture of the psu wattage table? Sometimes the 12v rail isnt actually rated at the same wattage the psu is rated at, basically instead of a 210w you effectively got a 180w cause the 12v rail is only rated at 15a and not 17.5a

 

You can get away with some undervolting on the gpu to reduce power consumption

[FrowningHippo]

17 minutes ago, ZieloM said:

What should be the ideal tdp for the board? 

Lower = better. Because that would leave you with more room for the GPU and CPU to spike. According to Toms Hardware: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 & 1050 Ti Power Consumption Results (tomshardware.com). This shouldn't really pose a problem when going for the 1050. You do have to keep in mind that the 65watt tpd for the i-10500 is an indication under load. However when boosting that CPU can use up to 135 watt. At that point it's likely your pc will just stop functioning because 135 + 75 + 25 minimum for the MOBO is going to draw to much power. This won't happen all the time offcourse. Only when doing something that demands the entire system to work out. But it can happen from time to time when playing games.

 

Honestly. Now that I took my time researching a bit more. I think you might get yourself more trouble then it's worth. Try getting a 350 watt powersupply if you want the 1050 in.

[porina]

3 hours ago, FrowningHippo said:

However when boosting that CPU can use up to 135 watt. At that point it's likely your pc will just stop functioning because 135 + 75 + 25 minimum for the MOBO is going to draw to much power.

It would be interesting to see what the PL1/PL2 values are actually set at in that system. Various tools like hwinfo64 can report them. PL2 is the short term boost power limit and would be the one of most interest. The Intel suggested value for 10500 PL2 is 134W but system builders are allowed to vary that up or down.

 

In case the PSU can't be replaced with a higher power one, and the CPU PL2 is high enough to be of concern, I see two potential options. One is to somehow lower the CPU PL2. If the bios doesn't allow it, it might take software tools like XTU possibly. Otherwise, lower power GPU. 1030 is 30W and performs similarly to an AMD DDR4 era APU.

 

When I was testing rehoming an 11700k into a smaller case recently, with limited cooling potential. I did observe its power usage during gaming and it was typically <100W in everything I threw at it. Reaching 134W ball park probably requires running Prime95 or equivalent software.

[FrowningHippo]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

It would be interesting to see what the PL1/PL2 values are actually set at in that system. Various tools like hwinfo64 can report them. PL2 is the short term boost power limit and would be the one of most interest. The Intel suggested value for 10500 PL2 is 134W but system builders are allowed to vary that up or down.

 

In case the PSU can't be replaced with a higher power one, and the CPU PL2 is high enough to be of concern, I see two potential options. One is to somehow lower the CPU PL2. If the bios doesn't allow it, it might take software tools like XTU possibly. Otherwise, lower power GPU. 1030 is 30W and performs similarly to an AMD DDR4 era APU.

 

When I was testing rehoming an 11700k into a smaller case recently, with limited cooling potential. I did observe its power usage during gaming and it was typically <100W in everything I threw at it. Reaching 134W ball park probably requires running Prime95 or equivalent software.

Thank you. That's very helpfull information.

[ZieloM]

1 hour ago, porina said:

It would be interesting to see what the PL1/PL2 values are actually set at in that system. Various tools like hwinfo64 can report them. PL2 is the short term boost power limit and would be the one of most interest. The Intel suggested value for 10500 PL2 is 134W but system builders are allowed to vary that up or down.

 

In case the PSU can't be replaced with a higher power one, and the CPU PL2 is high enough to be of concern, I see two potential options. One is to somehow lower the CPU PL2. If the bios doesn't allow it, it might take software tools like XTU possibly. Otherwise, lower power GPU. 1030 is 30W and performs similarly to an AMD DDR4 era APU.

 

When I was testing rehoming an 11700k into a smaller case recently, with limited cooling potential. I did observe its power usage during gaming and it was typically <100W in everything I threw at it. Reaching 134W ball park probably requires running Prime95 or equivalent software.

Thank you for the info sir

Question 
should i change it to GTX 750 or rx 550 ?
or will just stick to gt 1030?

[porina]

39 minutes ago, ZieloM said:

should i change it to GTX 750 or rx 550 ?
or will just stick to gt 1030?

Before looking at the other GPUs, can you check your CPU power limit as I mentioned earlier? That will give us some idea of what we have available. The 1050/1650 might still be a possibility.

[ZieloM]

3 hours ago, porina said:

Before looking at the other GPUs, can you check your CPU power limit as I mentioned earlier? That will give us some idea of what we have available. The 1050/1650 might still be a possibility.

Sorry. How do I do that ?
what app should i download to check it.

Thank you 

 

[ZieloM]

3 hours ago, porina said:

Before looking at the other GPUs, can you check your CPU power limit as I mentioned earlier? That will give us some idea of what we have available. The 1050/1650 might still be a possibility.

Is that the details that you need ? 

[porina]

2 hours ago, ZieloM said:

Is that the details that you need ? 

Kinda, but it leaves me confused. Top line says unlimited, next two lines are the Intel defaults. Either way, if the CPU uses 134W and the GPU uses 75W, that's already at your PSU limit. Even if both are unlikely to be max at the same time, you're going to be very close to the limit. It doesn't consider other things using power like the mobo, ram, disks etc.

 

If you can find a setting in the bios, you could limit the max turbo power to something lower. For example, 95W limit probably wont have much impact to light workloads including gaming, maybe a little on heavier multi-thread loads. Otherwise is sourcing an alternate PSU an option at all?

[Birblover12]

If it were me, I would just buy a shiny new 650W Modular PSU or something similar, as messing around with PSU limits is a VERY dangerous game to be playing. Your CPU and everything else are already decent, so personally I don't see why'd you would bottleneck it with a lower end GPU if you could easily get a used nicer one and give yourself that leg room & future proofing of a bigger wattage modular PSU.

 

If you don't want to do such a thing, then there are GTX 1050's which are very low wattage (don't even need a PSU cable) and can be found for very cheap. But again, a lot of performance could be had if you upgraded the power supply.