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[Neroon]

6 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

I never once said Linus wasn't the employer if that's what you're hinting at.

If it's based on who pays the salary, wouldn't payroll be the employer then? I don't see what's hard to see about Linus being self employed at his own company. He is his employer, and he is his employee. If you go off a traditional C suite hierarchy, Yvonne would then be his employee. If they were a public company, the board of directors would be his employer, not himself. 

 

If you start a company, with just yourself as the only person working there, are you the only employee, or are you the only employer?

 

6 hours ago, ToboRobot said:

LMG the company is the employer. 

The people are employees and shareholders.

The CEO is employed by the company LMG Incorporated owned by shareholders and managed by the board of directors (L & Y).  When the new CEO takes over, he doesn't become the employer, he is an employee to manage the company and Linus will be head visionary writer host employee and Yvonne will be the CFO employee.

PREFORMS WORK for WAGE

Both Y and L preform work (host/writer, accountant boss) and get a wage for their work.

 

THE COMPANY IS THE EMPLOYER. 
 

You 2 really are hilarious. So now the company itself is the employer. Not the people running it, not the shareholders, but the company itself. AI is really taking over. You do guys do sound like an early version of Bing powered by ChatGPT, you give wrong answers, and double down on it.

 

Also saying payroll is the employer, is beyond funny, people that are hired to do payments, are now the employers.

 

 

But to summarize. Linus and Yvonne and employees. A company on paper are the employers, but only some of the time, because it's really payroll that are the employers.

 

Are there more employers? Is anyone with a managing title an employer? What about Youtube, they pay them, so aren't they the employer? Or what about the sponsors? Is Dennis really the employer? Don't tell me it's Colton!

[ToboRobot]

5 hours ago, Neroon said:

 

You 2 really are hilarious. So now the company itself is the employer.

Wow, you are starting to get it.  Not sure if you are a troll or not, people who list their employment as social worker should know better...

I think you should go to your local library and ask the librarian for some books on companies and the legal framework around them so that you can educated yourself on this topic.  You clearly have a passion for the subject, but I do not as it as been common knowledge for me for a long time, and I don't feel like going over and over this with someone who is potentially pretending to be an ignorant.

Here is some links, how this helps, but please take some time and read some books or maybe even go to school and learn about society and how it is structured.

https://www.insureon.com/blog/what-is-an-employee

 

"

Are owners and partners considered employees?

Business owners and their partners are not typically considered employees of their business. To count yourself as an employee, you must receive some type of regular wage. Whether this is an option depends on your business structure. For example:

• Sole proprietorships and partnerships don’t receive a salary or wages and must pay self-employment taxes to the Internal Revenue Service via a 1099 form.
• If you form a corporation, you can pay yourself a salary and receive a W-2 form, just like any other employee of your business."

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/can-company-owner-considered-employee-19157.html

"There are many circumstances where you can own your own business and still be an employee."

 

[Neroon]

6 minutes ago, ToboRobot said:

Wow, you are starting to get it.  Not sure if you are a troll or not, people who list their employment as social worker should know better...

I think you should go to your local library and ask the librarian for some books on companies and the legal framework around them so that you can educated yourself on this topic.  You clearly have a passion for the subject, but I do not as it as been common knowledge for me for a long time, and I don't feel like going over and over this with someone who is potentially pretending to be an ignorant.

Here is some links, how this helps, but please take some time and read some books or maybe even go to school and learn about society and how it is structured.

https://www.insureon.com/blog/what-is-an-employee

 

"

Are owners and partners considered employees?

Business owners and their partners are not typically considered employees of their business. To count yourself as an employee, you must receive some type of regular wage. Whether this is an option depends on your business structure. For example:

• Sole proprietorships and partnerships don’t receive a salary or wages and must pay self-employment taxes to the Internal Revenue Service via a 1099 form.
• If you form a corporation, you can pay yourself a salary and receive a W-2 form, just like any other employee of your business."

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/can-company-owner-considered-employee-19157.html

"There are many circumstances where you can own your own business and still be an employee."

 

Company is employer. Who are the owners of the company?

 

Instead of linking what makes someone an employee, link to what makes someone an employer.

 

Your own link already says enough, for those willing to understand it anyway.

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You can own the company but legally be your own employee.

If you are your own employee, guess what that also means? That you are your own employer. Interesting how that works. Mind blown I guess.

 

 

Anyhoo, I'm gonna do something more useful now, gonna put you both on ignore, I came here for reasonable intelligent discussions. And well you can fill in the rest.

[ToboRobot]

10 minutes ago, Neroon said:

 

 

Anyhoo, I'm gonna do something more useful now, gonna put you both on ignore, I came here for reasonable intelligent discussions. And well you can fill in the rest.

Sounds great!  It's unfortunate that you were unable to participate in the intelligent discussion. All the best to you.

[Arika]

15 minutes ago, Neroon said:

Company is employer. Who are the owners of the company?

A company is it's own legal entity.

 

I am an employee of the company i work for, not an employee of the CEO or the shareholders.

 

 

If Linus was still a sole trader, then yes, he would be the employer as an individual, but the moment a company is created, every person working there is effectively employed by the company entity, yes, even the ceo is an employee of the company, even if that ceo is also sole shareholder.

 

 

Let's ignore LMG for a second because you seem to be too hyper focused on Linus and Yvonne, lets look at Terren Tong. He is currently employed by Corsair. or are you trying to argue that is is actually employed by Andy Paul? or maybe he's employed by EagleTree Capital?

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Neroon said:

Anyhoo, I'm gonna do something more useful now, gonna put you both on ignore, I came here for reasonable intelligent discussions. And well you can fill in the rest.

what a terrible stance to take....

[sub68]

6 hours ago, Neroon said:

So now the company itself is the employer. Not the people running it, not the shareholders, but the company itself. AI is really taking over. You do guys do sound like an early version of Bing powered by ChatGPT, you give wrong answers, and double down on it.

Every company is a employer.

Heck look at there hiring bit:

https://linusmediagroup.com/jobs

Linus tech tips is very different than most channels they are a actual media company they are privately held.

Heck there press pass dont have linus tech tips. But there company.

Also they trademark the names.

https://www.trademarkelite.com/canada/trademark/trademark-owner/Linus Media Group Inc. /783165

[IkeaGnome]

14 hours ago, Neroon said:

and they will both be employed soon by the person they are paying a salary,

You said it first, not me. 

 

14 hours ago, Neroon said:

and they will both be employed soon by the person they are paying a salary,

Your quote also has Linus as the employer by your definition. Not Yvonne. You’re quite also supports my saying in this. 

 

15 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Linus is, until next month when the new CEO, his new boss, steps in and is "higher rank". 

The fact that you can’t grasp that the company you work for is your employer isn’t my fault. 
 

Look at your tax statements and pay stubs. Who is listed as your employer, the company, or the CEO if it’s private, or the board of directors if it’s a publicly traded company. 
 

Hint: it’s going to be the company. 

[Neroon]

19 hours ago, Arika S said:

A company is it's own legal entity.

 

I am an employee of the company i work for, not an employee of the CEO or the shareholders.

 

 

If Linus was still a sole trader, then yes, he would be the employer as an individual, but the moment a company is created, every person working there is effectively employed by the company entity, yes, even the ceo is an employee of the company, even if that ceo is also sole shareholder.

 

 

Let's ignore LMG for a second because you seem to be too hyper focused on Linus and Yvonne, lets look at Terren Tong. He is currently employed by Corsair. or are you trying to argue that is is actually employed by Andy Paul? or maybe he's employed by EagleTree Capital?

 

 

 

what a terrible stance to take....

Actually you can very much argue that you work for the shareholders. They own a piece of the company you work for. People seem to forget that a company is not it's own being. It's owned by people, aka the shareholders. Who are the shareholders in this scenario?

 

So as for your question about Corsair, that would be much harder to specify, because the company is owned by millions of people, hedge funds etc, it becomes a whole different beast. But if you were to say that all shareholders were to get together, and said "Terren Tong, we employ you, we are you employer", this would be correct, because they as a group own the company.

 

If you still want to see the company as the employer, then just see the owners as the boss of your employer, who makes the decisions, and/or hires people to make/execute decisions for them.

 

18 hours ago, sub68 said:

Every company is a employer.

 

And if the company was an AI making it's own decisions etc, then sure. But that's not the case.

Let me ask you this, if Linus and Yvonne would say: "We employ over a 100 people at our company", would that be a fair statement, or would you tell them they are full of shit, and they do not employ anyone?

But by all means, go find that definition where it says people cannot be employers.

 

I know things get convoluted when you have publicly traded companies where the majority of shares are hold by so many individuals, that even the board doesn't hold the majority, but this is a private owned company, where a married couple holds 100% of the shares. 

18 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

You said it first, not me. 

 

Your quote also has Linus as the employer by your definition. Not Yvonne. You’re quite also supports my saying in this. 

 

The fact that you can’t grasp that the company you work for is your employer isn’t my fault. 
 

Look at your tax statements and pay stubs. Who is listed as your employer, the company, or the CEO if it’s private, or the board of directors if it’s a publicly traded company. 
 

Hint: it’s going to be the company. 

Do you always start your quotes midsentence, and end at a comma, to make your point? At least I was right about your thinking, since you seemingly agree with the assumption I made about your point of view.

 

You know you can't really win a discussion on the internet, but when you start misquoting or partially quoting people, to make it seem like they said something different, you definitely lost it.
Btw do you go to Ikea, buy a bookcase, throw out half in the instructions, and then call them up complaining about poor instructions?

[Arika]

1 hour ago, Neroon said:

People seem to forget that a company is not it's own being.

Actually, yes it is

[Neroon]

27 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Actually, yes it is

Is that all you can reply to? Are you now desperate enough to argue what a being is? This went from my argument about sharing your donations, to why I don't think they should've not taken it as owners of LMG, to whether they are employers or employees, to whether a company is a being or not.

 

I don't want to use the A word here, but the obsessive behaviour on trying to argue every possible 'technically' right, regardless of being actual right, just for the sake of arguing something, when fully understanding the point being made, is truly problematic. Sure it would make you great politicians, but there is a reason why they are so disliked.

 

So think long and hard about what point you want to make here. But if you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, I will just block you. 

[ToboRobot]

35 minutes ago, Neroon said:

 

So think long and hard about what point you want to make here.

You should consider taking your own device.

Multiple people have tried to educate you on the subject, but you seem to be trolling or unable to grasp the simple concepts presented.

Have you ever watched the documentary "The Corporation"?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(2003_film)

[Arika]

41 minutes ago, Neroon said:

Is that all you can reply to?

Yes because based on your previous responses I see no reason  to explain any more than that since you refuse to see anything beyond your current bias

[Neroon]

17 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Yes because based on your previous responses I see no reason  to explain any more than that since you refuse to see anything beyond your current bias

So you are just spamming. Got it. Blocked.

[Arika]

1 minute ago, Neroon said:

So you are just spamming. Got it. Blocked.

LOL

"spamming"

 

also yay, thanks for proving my point!

[IkeaGnome]

7 hours ago, Neroon said:

So as for your question about Corsair, that would be much harder to specify, because the company is owned by millions of people, hedge funds etc, it becomes a whole different beast. But if you were to say that all shareholders were to get together, and said "Terren Tong, we employ you, we are you employer", this would be correct, because they as a group own the company.

Corsair has a board of directors. Shareholders wouldn't be the ones to fire a CEO. They can pressure the board of directors. You know who is usually responsible for firing people on the board of directors? The rest of the board of directors.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about typical C suite integration.

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7 hours ago, Neroon said:

you can't really win a discussion on the internet, but when you start misquoting or partially quoting people, to make it seem like they said something different, you definitely lost it.

Correct, sometimes you're just beating your head into a brick wall. Some people, with cold hard facts just wont read the facts and actually absorb them. Some people are just never wrong.

7 hours ago, Neroon said:

Btw do you go to Ikea, buy a bookcase, throw out half in the instructions, and then call them up complaining about poor instructions?

Yes, I make it a habit of driving to Ikea on Saturday when I need something. 

Spoiler

Pretty bold to assume my username couldn't have possibly come from anywhere else. 

[Neroon]

2 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

Corsair has a board of directors. Shareholders wouldn't be the ones to fire a CEO. They can pressure the board of directors. You know who is usually responsible for firing people on the board of directors? The rest of the board of directors.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about typical C suite integration.

So this is where it's getting messy again.

 

Typically the board either exists out of those that together hold the majority, which is the case with LMG, or they hold such a large percentage, that it's almost impossible to force them to something else. If say a company would be like 80% retail investors, that are not on the board, they could absolute fire the board.

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While the boards often act, at least in the opinion of shareholder activists, like the board and the CEO are in charge, shareholders always have had the theoretical right to get rid of anyone they want.

I've made a good chunk of money on AMC, which is a company that is mostly held by retail investors, this effectively cripples the company, and all major decisions, have to be voted upon, by retail investors, and we have stopped decisions multiple times now. 

 

So purely in theory: Shareholders own the company. Shareholders decide who sits on the board, and can fire people who don't do what they want. The board answers to the shareholders. The CEO answers to the board and effectively the shareholders. The rest of the company directly or indirectly answers to the CEO, and thus the board, and thus the shareholders. 

You can see it all as layers of management, with the shareholders have the most power in theory.

 

Now that theory changes a lot depending on how many shares you have. Shareholders won't have much luck getting Satya Nadella fired as CEO from MS. That would be extremely tough. At LMG getting someone fired as shareholders, is extremely simple, because the married couple owns it all.

 

So to go back to it all. The company is the employer, but the shareholders are the company. So the shareholders are the employers. And that would be Linus and Yvonne. It really is that simple.

[mdk777]

8 hours ago, Neroon said:

So to go back to it all. The company is the employer, but the shareholders are the company. So the shareholders are the employers. And that would be Linus and Yvonne. It really is that simple.

Yet you ignore all established law. At least in the US, a company has status and rights as an individual. 

You may think that this is an esoteric distinction, that your prima facia logic makes more sense.

 

However you would be completely wrong. 

 

The entire purpose of setting up a corporation is to separate the stock holders from the liability that a corporation may face.

Does the term limited liability partnership have a ring?

LLC, co, inc. 

 

these are all legal terms that separate shareholders from the day to day decisions and LIABILITY of the entity that  does business.

 

My company degrades the environment.

My company breaks hiring laws.

My company goes bankrupt.

My company lies, steals, causes WWIII.

 

What is my personal liability? The value of my shares.

You cannot come after me and claim that I personally am responsible. 

You cannot claim that I owe compensation, restoration, or any other responsibility beyond the value of my stock.

 

So, do shareholders employee?

Sorry, no never, not at all.....you are completely and 100% wrong and deluded.

 

 

 

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