What's with the hype about AI?

[Dean0919]

I don't understand why there's so much hype about AI? I see so many news about chatGPT and AI and yesterday I read in news that Bill Gates is predicting demise of Google and Amazon because of AI and bla bla bla... This AI thing is nothing new. It always been there for years. I remember when even MSN was a thing, there were already chat bots (AI) available to talk. They implemented those chatbots in Skype too later. Yesterday I talking to Bing AI and it's nothing different from those old bots. I asked him about something, he gave me answers from search engine, which I would have done it myself lol. Then I asked him about one sportsman and how he feels about it and he said that he's not a human and doesn't have feelings (exact same answer what those MSN and Skype bots would say). So, basically, I don't see anything revolitionary or mind blowing about this AI thing. Nothing new. Just another overhyped crap, in my opinion.

[adm0n]

8 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

So, basically, I don't see anything revolitionary or mind blowing about this AI thing. Nothing new. Just another overhyped crap, in my opinion.

The big difference, is that they are actually capable of creating things themselves. Ask chat GPT to for example write a python program, that will interface with the Philips HUE API to change the color of a lamp to green and it will produce this code, with comments and everything. And while there might be bugs from time to time, it is actually surprisingly capable.

 

Similarly with stable diffusion / midjourney and other AI image generation tools. They can produce fidelity currently simply not possible by anything but computationally expensive renders or real photography.

 

While they are currently better suited as tools for someone who is experienced in a certain field, we humans like to extrapolate. Especially with tools like AutoGPT, tools like these could soon become capable of judging their own ideas and complete complex tasks without supplying a detailed step by step guide.

 

Think about telling it to set up a certain program, lets say stable diffusion. It would then search the web by itself, find a github repository, download its content, set up a python environment and launch it. That seems pretty awesome to me, and also very useful.

 

15 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Just another overhyped crap, in my opinion.

I agree, that it is currently overhyped, but the hype is already dying down. I don't think it is crap though. In the state it is currently at, it is an extremely valuable tool and helped me a lot with simple tasks already. Furthermore, it has the potential to become more than that.

[Dean0919]

50 minutes ago, adm0n said:

The big difference, is that they are actually capable of creating things themselves. Ask chat GPT to for example write a python program, that will interface with the Philips HUE API to change the color of a lamp to green and it will produce this code, with comments and everything. And while there might be bugs from time to time, it is actually surprisingly capable.

 

Similarly with stable diffusion / midjourney and other AI image generation tools. They can produce fidelity currently simply not possible by anything but computationally expensive renders or real photography.

 

While they are currently better suited as tools for someone who is experienced in a certain field, we humans like to extrapolate. Especially with tools like AutoGPT, tools like these could soon become capable of judging their own ideas and complete complex tasks without supplying a detailed step by step guide.

 

Think about telling it to set up a certain program, lets say stable diffusion. It would then search the web by itself, find a github repository, download its content, set up a python environment and launch it. That seems pretty awesome to me, and also very useful.

 

I agree, that it is currently overhyped, but the hype is already dying down. I don't think it is crap though. In the state it is currently at, it is an extremely valuable tool and helped me a lot with simple tasks already. Furthermore, it has the potential to become more than that.

Yeah, I think I went far away too. It's not a crap, but yeah, definitely overhyped.

[adm0n]

4 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Yeah, I think I went far away too. It's not a crap, but yeah, definitely overhyped.

Have you played around with it yourself? And does it do anything that you are good at, like programming.
Because I certainly got hyped and scared when I found out what it can do.

 

[Stahlmann]

I wouldn't say "overhyped". Recent iterations like Chat GPT can do a lot more than just answering questions like "Who was the US president in 1950?". For example they enable people who have no programming skills whatsoever to create and use simple scripts or if you're an advanced programmer they can significantly speed up your work. Or instead of just answering with yes and no they can write up a quick bullet point list showing you exactly how to achieve what you asked for, so you don't have to comb through 10 different websites and filter out all the unnecessary information on the way. Or you could straight up state your budget and what you want to do and it will recommend some products that will do just that.

 

In short: At worst, they save you time. At best, they enable you to do stuff you wouldn't be able to do otherwise.

In what world is that not innovative?

 

You can do many things without proper tools, but using the right tool makes most things significantly faster.

 

At this point nothing will stop AI from getting adopted more and more. Either you embrace the change, adapt to it and make use of it, or you deny it, cope that it's unnecessary and fall behind.

[Dean0919]

19 minutes ago, adm0n said:

Have you played around with it yourself? And does it do anything that you are good at, like programming.
Because I certainly got hyped and scared when I found out what it can do.

 

No, I'm not into programming or coding. I played a bit with Bing's AI. Like I told him I was sad and depressed and he gave me articles about how to deal with depression, lol.

[Arika S]

3 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Like I told him I was sad and depressed and he gave me articles about how to deal with depression, lol.

why laugh at that? was it wrong?

[adm0n]

Just now, Dean0919 said:

like I told him I was sad and depressed and he gave me articles about how to deal with depression, lol.

Oh no :c I hope you are doing better.

 

1 minute ago, Dean0919 said:

I played a bit with Bing's AI.

Personally I found the bing AI worse than just normal ChatGPT, as the bing AI really focuses on being stable and just finding out what you want to know. It never really found better results than me, but it was also way faster than me at it. Now imagine how much better this would be for someone, who isn't as experienced as you at searching information on the internet.

 

With chatGPT, you can basically tell it to take a certain role and practice conversations with it. You can also give it problems to solve. There is enough news and studies out that, but it passes university tier exams with higher than average grades. Which is INSANE! I had to study pretty long to be able to do, what I'm currently doing, but in just answering general questions even about my field of study, it has me beat.

 

The only thing that is currently still very bad at it, is its tendency to be competently wrong. And it always tries to be positive about anything you tell it. So if you ask it if it answer shouldn't be [insert your answer], it will probably just say, that it is sorry that it was wrong and agree with you, even though you said something wrong.

 

I'd suggest you check out what it is actually capable of. And then think about all the office jobs, it could replace as soon as it can become slightly more reliable. And how much faster it can make them today.

[Stahlmann]

17 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

Like I told him I was sad and depressed and he gave me articles about how to deal with depression, lol.

What else did you expect?

[Dean0919]

1 hour ago, Arika S said:

why laugh at that? was it wrong?

I find it funny because AI just gave me articles from search engine about that subject and that's it.

[Dean0919]

1 hour ago, adm0n said:

Oh no :c I hope you are doing better.

 

Personally I found the bing AI worse than just normal ChatGPT, as the bing AI really focuses on being stable and just finding out what you want to know. It never really found better results than me, but it was also way faster than me at it. Now imagine how much better this would be for someone, who isn't as experienced as you at searching information on the internet.

 

With chatGPT, you can basically tell it to take a certain role and practice conversations with it. You can also give it problems to solve. There is enough news and studies out that, but it passes university tier exams with higher than average grades. Which is INSANE! I had to study pretty long to be able to do, what I'm currently doing, but in just answering general questions even about my field of study, it has me beat.

 

The only thing that is currently still very bad at it, is its tendency to be competently wrong. And it always tries to be positive about anything you tell it. So if you ask it if it answer shouldn't be [insert your answer], it will probably just say, that it is sorry that it was wrong and agree with you, even though you said something wrong.

 

I'd suggest you check out what it is actually capable of. And then think about all the office jobs, it could replace as soon as it can become slightly more reliable. And how much faster it can make them today.

I didn't try chatGPT yet. Will check it out now. It says it's at capacity right now and I have to wait.

[Dean0919]

1 hour ago, Stahlmann said:

What else did you expect?

something revolutionary lol

[adm0n]

Just now, Dean0919 said:

I didn't try chatGPT yet. Will check it out now.

But be aware, that it can't search the web (unlike bing AI) unless you are a paid user if I remember correctly. So don't ask it about facts (or math for that matter :D)

 

Just now, Dean0919 said:

1 hour ago, Stahlmann said:

What else did you expect?

something revolutionary lol

It usually gives you what you ask for. If you want it to be something, you'll have to tell it. Something like: Assume the role of a therapist that is treating a patient with depression. That way it knows what you want it to do. Of course Bing wants you to see it's search results. For bing AI anyway set the creativity slider to the setting that reflects what kind of answer you want.

[Stahlmann]

Another thing i forgot to mention and what is new with Chat GPT: It can follow the whole thread, not just your latest prompt. This allows you to home in on specific parts of the conversation and if you already dismissed one part of the information it gave to you, it will not keep forcing that part down your throat.

[LAwLz]

This thread reminds me of when my mom in the 90's said "Why would I want a computer? It's just an expensive toy".

I feel like OP has not used ChatGPT in any meaningful way and is also not thinking about how it might evolve.

 

ChatGPT is a tool, and it is far more than just a chatbot or a search engine. Using it as such completely misses the point. It can be used for that too, but that's like 1% of its capabilities and what people are scared of or hyping up. The real potential is when you start integrating it into other things and it does things for you automatically.

[Tan3l6]

The ChatGPT for now is like DLSS/FSR for your knowledge.

[adm0n]

10 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

feel like OP has not used ChatGPT in any meaningful way and is also not thinking about how it might evolve.

Well, we tried to say that without hurting their feelings :c

[Lurking]

1 hour ago, Dean0919 said:

I didn't try chatGPT yet. Will check it out now. It says it's at capacity right now and I have to wait.

So you didn't even try it, but felt confident enough to start a thread saying it is a hype? 

 

Before judging a technology or product, have at least some knowledge about it. If this isn't too much to ask.

 

I tried it once and asked very specific questions only related to my employer. I was convinced there is no way it could know that. The answers deeply impressed me and were better most of the people who work here would have given.

[Arika S]

1 hour ago, Dean0919 said:

I find it funny because AI just gave me articles from search engine about that subject and that's it.

as it should. it's not a therapist, and shouldn't be treated as one, otherwise you get situations like this:

 

[Dean0919]

25 minutes ago, Arika S said:

as it should. it's not a therapist, and shouldn't be treated as one, otherwise you get situations like this:

 

No one said it was therapist. I just wanted to test AI and see how it would respond and from it's answers was nothing impressing.

[Arika S]

1 minute ago, Dean0919 said:

No one said it was therapist. I just wanted to test AI and see how it would respond and from it's answers was nothing impressing.

So what were you expecting? You told it you were sad and depressed, what were you hoping it would say?

[Dean0919]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

This thread reminds me of when my mom in the 90's said "Why would I want a computer? It's just an expensive toy".

I feel like OP has not used ChatGPT in any meaningful way and is also not thinking about how it might evolve.

 

ChatGPT is a tool, and it is far more than just a chatbot or a search engine. Using it as such completely misses the point. It can be used for that too, but that's like 1% of its capabilities and what people are scared of or hyping up. The real potential is when you start integrating it into other things and it does things for you automatically.

Yeah and soon AI will take a control of world and humans will be erased and bla bla bla, give me break dude... 

 

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

So what were you expecting? You told it you were sad and depressed, what were you hoping it would say?

Something more different answer, rather than generic answer to look in some articles on Google. if this supposed to impress me, it failed epicly. Nothing impressive about it. Anyway, tired of answering on same questions. AI thing is overhyped, nothing impressive or revolutionary about it. I've seen people like you before, when we were told that soon we would have flying cars and colonize other planets and robots would live among us and similar BS...

[Arika S]

Just now, Dean0919 said:

Something more different answer, rather than generic answer to look in some articles on Google. if this supposed to impress me, it failed epicly. Nothing impressive about it.

Like what?... I would say that is the best answer an AI should give.

[Uttamattamakin]

Let me give you all some examples.  I've been using Bing GPT-4 to write the rough draft of a solutions manual for a textbook.  All the while learning what it can and cannot do.  IT cannot see and so cannot interpret graphs.  Yet.  At the same time it can do every physics problem I've given it so far.   


I was prompted to ask how it learned physics so I did.   

Fascinating? 

After finishing working on the chapters I want to do as an example while my co-authors deliberate on whether or not to use GPT in this manner I asked it to generate an image to represent its fascination. 

 

This is one of the images.  I am not worried about sharing this since ... AI generated images themselves cannot be copywrighted but using, modifying, altering and arranging them in various ways can be. 

Bing GPT-4's fascination with physics which it has all the knowledge of an ABD in.  (All but dissertation ... someone who has most of a PhD. )

[Heliian]

5 hours ago, Dean0919 said:

I find it funny because AI just gave me articles from search engine about that subject and that's it.

That's what it does, takes data from the Internet and regurgitates it via prompts.  

 

AI is being overhyped because the crypto crash hit the "tech" companies hard and now they need to sucker in some more cash for essentially doing nothing and to try and get all of the "investors" excited about losing even more money.