Looking to finally upgrade/replace my first build

[LexingtonDelta]

Budget (including currency): $2-3k Canadian

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: the system will be used for gaming on current gen games on High-Ultra settings

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 
my current system was bought and built by me in 2018, has a GTX 1080, Ryzen 7 1800X, a HX750 Corsair 750w Power supply and an x370 gaming pro carbon. which are the main things I think i need to update,

i have 4 DDR4 stick stop gap, 2 ADATA XPG 8GB and 2 G.Skillz 8GB

I hope to keep my storage for now as it works and is partitioned how i need/like. A 512Gb M.2 with my OS on it, a 980Gb M.2 that has my long load time games on it, and a 4TB HDD BarraCuda that is my general purpose storage.


The main reason I'm looking at upgrading is because my current system has hit the point where i get 40-60FPS on low/medium setting on newer games (2022 games and up) and/or thermal throttles the GPU, which i know is partially my fault as the 1080 i have in the case is very close to the side panel.

The second is I likely cant simply "Upgrade" most this as Somehow i have my CPU Radiator and fan 90° off of the way it normally is, as in the Fan Blows are UP and out the top, not sideways. it works, and the CPU has never had heating problems so it's been very low on my Priority list of things to fix.

Ideally i would have a tower that can allow me to upgrade to water-cooling in the future if i need or want to and can fit several 140mm fans in the mean time. 

I'm thinking a 3080 and likely an i7 but this is the point where i'm looking for help, I know how to pick parts like the motherboard and and ram, but I have no Idea how to pick a processor for my needs.

[will0hlep]

Are there any features you specifically need in a motherboard? (so I can select a temp motherboard and see what processors are in budget)

 

I'm looking at AMD 7000 series and Intel 13th gen atm.

[LexingtonDelta]

13 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Are there any features you specifically need in a motherboard? (so I can select a temp motherboard and see what processors are in budget)

 

I'm looking at AMD 7000 series and Intel 13th gen atm.

2 M.2 support is needed for sure, would prefer one that supports DDR4 as my current ram is that, But if its more economically smart (IE in two years i may have to anyway) a DDR5  supporting board and ill get new Ram as I go.   and as mentioned one that supports Water-cooling, RGB is not a requirement but isn't a breaking point.
 

[will0hlep]

8 minutes ago, LexingtonDelta said:

2 M.2 support is needed for sure, would prefer one that supports DDR4 as my current ram is that, But if its more economically smart (IE in two years i may have to anyway) a DDR5  supporting board and ill get new Ram as I go.   and as mentioned one that supports Water-cooling, RGB is not a requirement but isn't a breaking point.
 

Well, if you go Intel 13th gen you could still use your DDR4, however 13th gen has no upgrade path. 7000 series has an upgrade path, but you'd have to buy some DDR5.

[Penpilot]

4 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

however 13th gen has no upgrade path

intel 14th gen is on LGA 1700 if im not wrong and for the OP, i recommend is that he update the bios and install a 5800X3D which will not require a mother board swap, a new gpu and a new power supply so everything else is reused 

 

[PcBeExpensive]

1 hour ago, LexingtonDelta said:

Budget (including currency): $2-3k Canadian

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: the system will be used for gaming on current gen games on High-Ultra settings

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 
my current system was bought and built by me in 2018, has a GTX 1080, Ryzen 7 1800X, a HX750 Corsair 750w Power supply and an x370 gaming pro carbon. which are the main things I think i need to update,

i have 4 DDR4 stick stop gap, 2 ADATA XPG 8GB and 2 G.Skillz 8GB

I hope to keep my storage for now as it works and is partitioned how i need/like. A 512Gb M.2 with my OS on it, a 980Gb M.2 that has my long load time games on it, and a 4TB HDD BarraCuda that is my general purpose storage.


The main reason I'm looking at upgrading is because my current system has hit the point where i get 40-60FPS on low/medium setting on newer games (2022 games and up) and/or thermal throttles the GPU, which i know is partially my fault as the 1080 i have in the case is very close to the side panel.

The second is I likely cant simply "Upgrade" most this as Somehow i have my CPU Radiator and fan 90° off of the way it normally is, as in the Fan Blows are UP and out the top, not sideways. it works, and the CPU has never had heating problems so it's been very low on my Priority list of things to fix.

Ideally i would have a tower that can allow me to upgrade to water-cooling in the future if i need or want to and can fit several 140mm fans in the mean time. 

I'm thinking a 3080 and likely an i7 but this is the point where i'm looking for help, I know how to pick parts like the motherboard and and ram, but I have no Idea how to pick a processor for my needs.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bsxtzf

You could do something like this with an i7 13700kf and 4070 ti. Those paired together should be great for gaming.

[Penpilot]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tPGHC6

you can downgrade the GPU if you don't plan to play on 4k.

 

the CPU is the fastest gaming CPU available for AM4(be sure to update your bios before installing this)

 

the thermal compound is pretty self explanatory i think.

 

i decided not to add any better memory because DDR 4 has reached the end of its life so any money spent now will be wasted.

 

i added that p5 plus assuming that your M.2 slot on the mobo is empty, if its not then get a Samsung 870 evo

 

its a 7900XTX.......... what more can you want(exept for creators and professionals)

 

its a overkill power supply, yes but it has a 12 year warranty and can power literally any computer you throw at it for a looong time

 

 

bonus point of this build is that you are not changing that many things so you can probably use your current windows license 

 

 

[LexingtonDelta]

17 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Well, if you go Intel 13th gen you could still use your DDR4, however 13th gen has no upgrade path. 7000 series has an upgrade path, but you'd have to buy some DDR5.

hmm, If DDr4 is going to limit me from upgrading parts in the future than I'll have to upgrade my Ram to DDR5, That i assume does help with options but put me into a higher price range, which I'm okay with that.

[LexingtonDelta]

1 minute ago, planetary problem said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tPGHC6

you can downgrade the GPU if you don't plan to play on 4k.

 

the CPU is the fastest gaming CPU available for AM4(be sure to update your bios before installing this)

 

the thermal compound is pretty self explanatory i think.

 

i decided not to add any better memory because DDR 4 has reached the end of its life so any money spent now will be wasted.

 

i added that p5 plus assuming that your M.2 slot on the mobo is empty, if its not then get a Samsung 870 evo

 

its a 7900XTX.......... what more can you want(exept for creators and professionals)

 

its a overkill power supply, yes but it has a 12 year warranty and can power literally any computer you throw at it for a looong time

 

 

If I'm reading this right it allows me to keep my core parts and just update the CPU and GPU, and I would prefer a bigger PSU than I need as it 1, future proofs, and 2, helps its life expectance as using 60% lets it live longer instead of doing 95% load and possibly hurting the expected time. 

[will0hlep]

21 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

intel 14th gen is on LGA 1700 if im not wrong and for the OP, i recommend is that he update the bios and install a 5800X3D which will not require a mother board swap, a new gpu and a new power supply so everything else is reused 

 

Intel 14th on LGA 1700 was a rumour at best. Every current leak points to 14th gen being on LGA1851.

I like the idea of going 5800X3D though.

[will0hlep]

11 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tPGHC6

you can downgrade the GPU if you don't plan to play on 4k.

 

the CPU is the fastest gaming CPU available for AM4(be sure to update your bios before installing this)

 

the thermal compound is pretty self explanatory i think.

 

i decided not to add any better memory because DDR 4 has reached the end of its life so any money spent now will be wasted.

 

i added that p5 plus assuming that your M.2 slot on the mobo is empty, if its not then get a Samsung 870 evo

 

its a 7900XTX.......... what more can you want(exept for creators and professionals)

 

its a overkill power supply, yes but it has a 12 year warranty and can power literally any computer you throw at it for a looong time

 

 

This build dosn't need a 1300W psu (an 850W would be perfectly fine) or Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (this stuff buys you a 1-3 degrees at best and were talking about a 5800X3D here which isn't hard to cool, just buy cheap paste) or a 2TB Crucial P5 Plus (you don't need dram for gaming, get an kingston NV2 for half the price, it will net the same everyday performance). Those are all way too expensive for the value they offer.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/D6jL3y

250 canadian dollars saved for little to no performance loss. 

[Penpilot]

4 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

This build dosn't need a 1300W psu or Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut or a 2TB Crucial P5 Plus. Those are all way too expensive for the value they offer.

about the PSU-

i already said that, but the point of that is that a PSU upgrade will not be required even after 10 years. the f-word you know

about the thermal paste-

i wanted to be on the safer side in case that cooler is just a hyper 212 so thus the high end thermal paste

about the p5 plus-

how is it overpriced? it has 980 pro performance AND endurance at 2/3 the price

 

5 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Intel 14th on LGA 1700 was a rumour at best

are you talking about meteor lake or raptor lake-s???

[LexingtonDelta]

4 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

about the PSU-

i already said that, but the point of that is that a PSU upgrade will not be required even after 10 years. the f-word you know

 

about the thermal paste-

i wanted to be on the safer side in case that cooler is just a hyper 212 so thus the high end thermal paste

 

about the p5 plus-

how is it overpriced? it has 980 pro performance AND endurance at 2/3 the price

if you are referring to my current CPU cooler, it is a Hyper 212 LED, which im not opposed to upgrading, since i have it seated wrong anyway XD (see Picture in OP)

I'm also not really running into storage issues at the moment so the SSD is good to know for the future

 

[will0hlep]

8 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

about the PSU-

i already said that, but the point of that is that a PSU upgrade will not be required even after 10 years. the f-word you know

 

about the thermal paste-

i wanted to be on the safer side in case that cooler is just a hyper 212 so thus the high end thermal paste

 

about the p5 plus-

how is it overpriced? it has 980 pro performance AND endurance at 2/3 the price

Okay, future proofing the PSU can make sense, but consider this, if we all need 1300W PSUs in future, the price of them will come down, at which point you'll likely be able to buy a 1300W with the money you saved only buying a 850W now. Plus that assumes PCs will go that way with 5-7 years. ATM I doubt PCs will need 1300W within that time frame and this machine will probably not go above 600W, so 850 is plenty enough future proofing for the next 5-7 years.

 

I understand being safe with cooling, but thermal paste dosn't actually make much difference and the chip we're cooling here isn't very power hungary. it will be fine with cheap paste.

 

The P5 is over priced for gaming. When gaming you only make reads and small writes. These operations arn't effected by a drive being dramless. You should only get an expensive Dram drive if you need to make frequent large writes (like if your a full time video editor or similar). For gaming, get a NV2. You really won't notice the difference.

[will0hlep]

2 minutes ago, LexingtonDelta said:

if you are referring to my current CPU cooler, it is a Hyper 212 LED, which im not opposed to upgrading, since i have it seated wrong anyway XD (see Picture in OP)

Hyper 212 will probably be fine, imo

[Penpilot]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

The P5 is over priced for gaming. When gaming you only make reads and small writes. These operations arn't effected by a drive being dramless. You should only get a Dram drive if you need to make frequent large writes (like if your video editing or similar). For gaming, get a NV2. You really won't notice the difference.

direct storage is coming to PC you know

 

 

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I understand being safe with cooling, but thermal paste dosn't actually make much difference and the chip we're cooling here isn't very power hungary. it will be fine with cheap paste.

yes but we are cooling double layer silicon. TDP has become a useless measurement for collers, intel has thin dies with efficient heat tranfer, AMD has double layer silicon which is harder to cool and who knows what they are doing RN or will do in the future

[will0hlep]

6 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

direct storage is coming to PC you know

 

yes but we are cooling double layer silicon

Direct storage is reading, not writing, so it won't be greatly effected by having no Dram. The main job of Dram is to help with large writes, it give the drive somewhere to put data while it finds a place to write it. When reading the dram isn't doing anything important.

 

Yes, we are cooling double layer silicon, but the chip still just isn't that hard to cool. He has a half decent tower cooler, imo it will do fine without the expensive thermal paste (which again, would only make a couple degrees difference).

[Penpilot]

2 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Yes, we are cooling double layer silicon, but the chip still isn't that hard to cool.

the difference is 20 bucks anyways, and it does not hurt to have lower thermals

[will0hlep]

4 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

the difference is 20 bucks anyways, and it does not hurt to have lower thermals

I really dislike the arguement: lower thermals can't hurt.

No, it can't hurt performance, but is 1 or 2 degrees really worth 20$ (canada) if it wasn't thermal throtteling already? To me the answer is no cause your gaining nothing for 20$ (especially since 5800x3d can't be overclocked). IMO he'd be better off buying some games with him extra money.

[Penpilot]

Just now, will0hlep said:

No, it can't hurt performance, but is 1/2 degrees really worth 20$ (canada) if it wasn't thermal throtteling already? To me the answer is no cause your gaining nothing for 20$. IMO he'd be better off buying some games with him extra money.

unless we have a crystal ball we wont know who is right so lets just be on the safe side?

its better than getting a new cooler anyway

25 minutes ago, LexingtonDelta said:

If I'm reading this right it allows me to keep my core parts and just update the CPU and GPU, and I would prefer a bigger PSU than I need as it 1, future proofs, and 2, helps its life expectance as using 60% lets it live longer instead of doing 95% load and possibly hurting the expected time. 

yes

[will0hlep]

35 minutes ago, LexingtonDelta said:

If I'm reading this right it allows me to keep my core parts and just update the CPU and GPU, and I would prefer a bigger PSU than I need as it 1, future proofs, and 2, helps its life expectance as using 60% lets it live longer instead of doing 95% load and possibly hurting the expected time.

Yes it does, the base idea is great (hats off to planetary problem for the idea of going 5800X3D), but as stated above, the builds PSU, SSD and thermal paste are bad value for money. Try this: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/D6jL3y and buy some cheap thermal paste.

Same performance, 250$ cheaper.

 

9 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

unless we have a crystal ball we wont know who is right so lets just be on the safe side?

its better than getting a new cooler anyway

It makes 1 or 2 degrees of difference and the chip is not hard to cool. These are facts, we don't need a crystall ball. It will be fine without the 25$ tube of termal paste.

Even if it turned out that his 5800X3D ran super hot, changing the cooler at a later date would be the way to deal with that cause the difference between coolers can be 10 - 20 degrees, not going for expensive thermal paste that make 1 or 2 degress of difference.

[Penpilot]

errrr..... ok you're right.

[will0hlep]

6 minutes ago, planetary problem said:

errrr..... ok you're right.

Just wanted to reiterate: You made a good call on the 5800X3D . Without you saying that, I'd still be looking at Ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th which would have wasted so much of the budget.

[LexingtonDelta]

6 hours ago, will0hlep said:

Just wanted to reiterate: You made a good call on the 5800X3D . Without you saying that, I'd still be looking at Ryzen 7000 or Intel 13th which would have wasted so much of the budget.

 

7 hours ago, planetary problem said:

errrr..... ok you're right.

Thank you both for your input, it gives me a great base line to go for and tweak if my budget changes.

One Final question related to future proofing, can either of you recommend a better/newer case that would work with this setup and also allows updating to  custom/AIO cooling for CP and/or CPU in the future?

i have the space for more than a Full tower, actually the location of my tower could fit 6, 3 wide 2 tall without issue, so a big tower can fit, and im not against Big tower small stuff inside XD (makes cable management so much easier)