I9 9900k + 4070ti same FPS as 3070

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

I recently got a ASUS OC edition 4070ti and in COD MW2 my FPS is the exact same as when I had my 3070. 

I play on ultra settings at 1440p

 

 

Current build: I9 9900K 32 GIG RAM @3200, ASUS Z390E, Kraken AIO, corsair 1k watt PS. 

[starsmine]

MW2 has a somewhat robust benchmarking tool, can you run it on both GPUs and post the results you get?

You should get a chart like this 
 

[Agall]

4 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

I recently got a ASUS OC edition 4070ti and in COD MW2 my FPS is the exact same as when I had my 3070. 

I play on ultra settings at 1440p

 

 

Current build: I9 9900K 32 GIG RAM @3200, ASUS Z390E, Kraken AIO, corsair 1k watt PS. 

Unless you're framerate capping yourself, its probably a CPU bottleneck.

 

Its a woefully under reported problem that's shadowed by the fact that most CPU benchmarks are a suite of 12 games that do a good job at showing proportional and similar gains in performance. MMOs and games with high player counts are generally CPU limited, even if its at 144fps, something I learned first hand after upgrading from a 3950x to 5800x3D.

[starsmine]

11 minutes ago, Agall said:

Unless you're framerate capping yourself, its probably a CPU bottleneck.

 

Its a woefully under reported problem that's shadowed by the fact that most CPU benchmarks are a suite of 12 games that do a good job at showing proportional and similar gains in performance. MMOs and games with high player counts are generally CPU limited, even if its at 144fps, something I learned first hand after upgrading from a 3950x to 5800x3D.

Honestly, unlikely (the cpu comment)

like yes the CPU might be binding at points, but not enough to get exact same FPS. Notice what I posted is a run with the 9700k rendering the game at 2224x1248 resolution (less then 1440p of OP) and there is NO cpu bind.

[SimplyChunk]

I agree with @Agall That will 100% be a CPU bottleneck

 

I know this cause my 10900k binds in MW2 as well

[starsmine]

5 minutes ago, ChonkerFox said:

I agree with @Agall That will 100% be a CPU bottleneck

 

I know this cause my 10900k binds in MW2 as well

a 2% fps bind on the CPU or whatever you got is NOT a 100% CPU bottleneck. 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

 

Ive had as high as 160

 

 

 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

Ive been reading and 90 percent of people say the cpu should bottleneck a LITTLE not keep me at the same performance level lol

[starsmine]

dude, you are playing the game at 1024x576, not even HD. 

Still, with that said, your CPU is massively underperforming for some reason. The CPU scores should be similar to what I posted above. so you have two problems compounding each other. 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

it keeps changing on me idk why

 

 i have it set on 1440k and when im in the settings it says its rendering 100 percent. ill check and retest to see what happens

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

same results as before. I disabled DLSS inorder to ensure it stays at 100. so ill post a second photo after.

 

 

 

 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

with DLSS off and 100 percent rendering

 

[starsmine]

42 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

with DLSS off and 100 percent rendering

 

That tells me two things still. 

one, you DID gain FPS going from the 3070 to 4070 ti

and two, again, your CPU is underperforming massively. the 9900K in worst case should not be going below 120 for 1% lows in this title (again worst case, should not really be going below 140, but background tasks whatever).  (inside performance summary, not overall)

 

so we need to figure out WHY the CPU is not working correctly. I saw it claimed to be running at 4.7ghz earlier which is the stock boost for all core work loads. For now, Ill assume that is correct and you have not tried to overclock (sad day man, buy a K processor and not OC? psssh)

So some background task is stealing ALL your clocks or its regularly stalling due to ram speeds/timings being completely out of whack. Are the two most probably causes.

Third thing it tells me is HOLY HELL your windows is out of date. 20H2 dropped support in may of 2022. or a month ago if you used enterprise edition. 

[Heliian]

Do a clean driver install. 

 

Is your cpu oc'd? 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

my cpu is usually OCd i havent respne it yet. ill do it now and reply in a moment.

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

with Oc. 5ghz all cores

 

 

 

With OC

[starsmine]

19 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

my cpu is usually OCd i havent respne it yet. ill do it now and reply in a moment.

run this 
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/cinebench-15-download.html

You SHOULD get a score over 2k at stock, Over 2.2k @ 5ghz all core

 

8 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

with Oc. 5ghz all cores

 

 

 

With OC

CPU still significantly underperforming for some reason or another. but ayo, shit improved a lot. 

Idk man, update windows to a version that is supported (22H2), probably wont change performance.
Make sure your ram timings are correct.
Make sure you are not folding proteins in the background on the CPU.

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

i was using a debloated windows version, but i have dual OS so heres a stock windows 11 pro bench.

[starsmine]

3 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

i was using a debloated windows version, but i have dual OS so heres a stock windows 11 pro bench.

You ran it at 1488x832 there, hence the CPU bottleneck. 
I would ASSUME background tasks are different since its a different OS. so that CPU is still underperforming makes me want to lean towards ram now. If its an issue with sub timings, I am out of my depth. 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

i upped the render this time and it lowered my cpu time 

[starsmine]

Like here are two different systems running a 10850k, so sameish archetecuture as yours
https://imgur.com/a/3UVs6RT really only real difference is that it can clock higher (and 2 more cores). So again, that your CPU being under 100 for 1% means something is wrong.

Not that it matters THAT much for this specific use case since now your CPU binds are not really dropping your frame rate anymore for this specific game. 

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

15 minutes ago, starsmine said:

run this 
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/cinebench-15-download.html

You SHOULD get a score over 2k at stock, Over 2.2k @ 5ghz all core

 

CPU still significantly underperforming for some reason or another. but ayo, shit improved a lot. 

Idk man, update windows to a version that is supported (22H2), probably wont change performance.
Make sure your ram timings are correct.
Make sure you are not folding proteins in the background on the CPU.

I get above 2k 

[starsmine]

3 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

I get above 2k 

Then perhaps some patch since the benchmarks I have been looking at put more load on the CPU.

Like I said, FOR MW2 you are pretty much maxed out now for 1440 native rendering. the times you are CPU binded, you are just being bound from 100 fps down to 99 fps for a single frame... for 18% of frames

[Cpt_Poopie_Pants]

So, should I upgrade mobo and CPU? If so to what. Can I get away with getting a different CPU and keeping the same MOBO?

[starsmine]

8 minutes ago, Cpt_Poopie_Pants said:

So, should I upgrade mobo and CPU? If so to what. Can I get away with getting a different CPU and keeping the same MOBO?

Not what I am saying at all. 

I'm saying your 9900k is not performing the way it is supposed to. not that you need to part cannon it. Im also saying that for 1440p native rendering its still performing just enough that it does not mater now. increasing CPU performance with the benchmark you just posted will not increase overall Fps in any significant amount. 

Again, right now I am leaning towards RAM speed/timing issues, you are free to post your cpu-z results in the memory tab.