Linux and related Unix content.

[Fordle]

Is there anyone here who wants to discuss Linux and similar unix related systems and give advice to LTT about it. I think dedicated content about Unix on LTT would be beneficial as it coveres a lot of devices globally.

[Eviljuche]

Don't they have Anthony specifically for that? As for the forum, there is a whole section related to that.

[Fordle]

Yes but maybe a channel like MacAdress or a feature of floatplane where they focus only on Unix. Given that a lot of LTT content is Windows centric, focussing on an OS that the majority of the world uses in some form whether they know it or not.

[LapsedMemory]

22 minutes ago, Fordle said:

Yes but maybe a channel like MacAdress or a feature of floatplane where they focus only on Unix. Given that a lot of LTT content is Windows centric, focussing on an OS that the majority of the world uses in some form whether they know it or not.

At the end of the day, LTT is still a business of substantial size, and Linus has made it pretty clear that he can only approve video/channel ideas that have a high chance for an ROI.  They have to be much more picky about what they spend their time on so even potentially marginally profitable video suggestions sometimes get axed.  

 

A Linux channel, while interesting to a subset of LTT's userbase (I'm one of them), is probably not profitable for a company the size of LTT to take on.  That's straight business.  If you want Linux/Unix content, you just have to find more niche, smaller channels to satisfy the itch.  

 

LTT has a forum section for Linux content, as well as a Discord channel for it.  I love linux, and daily drive it on an HP Spectre X360, but until it becomes mainstream at the consumer level, it's just not going to draw in enough eyes to warrant it's own Youtube channel.  The best we can probably hope for is maybe some content from the FP Exclusive team that doesn't rely on Youtube ad revenue for their submission approvals.  

[manikyath]

28 minutes ago, Fordle said:

Yes but maybe a channel like MacAdress or a feature of floatplane where they focus only on Unix. Given that a lot of LTT content is Windows centric, focussing on an OS that the majority of the world uses in some form whether they know it or not.

if i recall they addressed this on the WAN show a while back. to make a linux channel they would basicly need "a second anthony", to end up with a channel that is basicly just a "copy" of linux-minded channels that already exist.

 

the existance of MacAdress is different; it's a MUCH less common way of covering apple products (i.e. covering them in a way that basicly guarantees that apple will NEVER send you ANYTHING..) and mac people are easier to find than linux people. it's just as simple as that.

 

if you want a linux minded channel, this would be a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/@Level1Linux

LTT could do what L1L does, but they would need another anthony for that.. and having people like wendell to compete with is sort of like trying to make javelin throwing content, but Jan Železný is your competitor. there is nothing to be gained with a 5ft1 canadian talking about javelins when all the greatest minds of the sport are already there.

[Fordle]

56 minutes ago, manikyath said:

if i recall they addressed this on the WAN show a while back. to make a linux channel they would basicly need "a second anthony", to end up with a channel that is basicly just a "copy" of linux-minded channels that already exist.

 

 

I meant Unix as a whole.

[manikyath]

2 minutes ago, Fordle said:

I meant Unix as a whole.

describe "unix as a whole" because honestly.. you'd be including smart cow milkers into the scope of content at that point.

(which, yes, that is a thing.)

[Biohazard777]

On 3/25/2023 at 4:46 PM, LapsedMemory said:

At the end of the day, LTT is still a business of substantial size, and Linus has made it pretty clear that he can only approve video/channel ideas that have a high chance for an ROI.  They have to be much more picky about what they spend their time on so even potentially marginally profitable video suggestions sometimes get axed.  

 

A Linux channel, while interesting to a subset of LTT's userbase (I'm one of them), is probably not profitable for a company the size of LTT to take on.  That's straight business.  If you want Linux/Unix content, you just have to find more niche, smaller channels to satisfy the itch.  

 

LTT has a forum section for Linux content, as well as a Discord channel for it.  I love linux, and daily drive it on an HP Spectre X360, but until it becomes mainstream at the consumer level, it's just not going to draw in enough eyes to warrant it's own Youtube channel.  The best we can probably hope for is maybe some content from the FP Exclusive team that doesn't rely on Youtube ad revenue for their submission approvals.  

On 3/25/2023 at 4:57 PM, manikyath said:

if i recall they addressed this on the WAN show a while back. to make a linux channel they would basicly need "a second anthony", to end up with a channel that is basicly just a "copy" of linux-minded channels that already exist.

 

the existance of MacAdress is different; it's a MUCH less common way of covering apple products (i.e. covering them in a way that basicly guarantees that apple will NEVER send you ANYTHING..) and mac people are easier to find than linux people. it's just as simple as that.

 

if you want a linux minded channel, this would be a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/@Level1Linux

LTT could do what L1L does, but they would need another anthony for that.. and having people like wendell to compete with is sort of like trying to make javelin throwing content, but Jan Železný is your competitor. there is nothing to be gained with a 5ft1 canadian talking about javelins when all the greatest minds of the sport are already there.

Yeah I remember that WAN show, and while I do understand that their ROI would be far less compared to their other channels... it might not necessarily be unprofitable and the host & writer doesn't have to be Anthony. Also, exactly because of their size they could afford a pilot season and see how good (or bad) it performs.

I wouldn't expect LTT to produce content like Level1Linux, or anything in depth to be honest .
But they would have plenty of news and content (a lot more than MacAddress for sure) to pick from.
I mean just covering "This week in KDE" can be a low effort weekly 2 minute part of the video.
IMO stuff like that could be interesting for Linux users of all skill levels. Entertaining, short, informative.

Yeah I know, plenty of channels cover "this week in xyz" type of content... but none of them (that I tried watching) have the charm of something like Techlinked or Techquicke, those other channels are usually monotone info dumps (great for falling asleep heh).

It doesn't have to be strictly news, throw in an odd "how to".

[manikyath]

13 hours ago, Biohazard777 said:

it might not necessarily be unprofitable and the host & writer doesn't have to be Anthony.

"they need another anthony" = they need someone with the skill level of anthony, and those people arent exactly easy to find (for a video production role).

 

it's not so much about profitability and the existance of another anthony, it's about "does LTT have something to add to the space (see mac address), and would that potential second anthony be of more use elsewhere (LTT labs, for example.)

 

'in a vaccuum' you're entirely right, but in reality there's too many factors that weigh against an LTT linux channel.

[Fordle]

On 3/25/2023 at 4:57 PM, manikyath said:

describe "unix as a whole" because honestly.. you'd be including smart cow milkers into the scope of content at that point.

(which, yes, that is a thing.)

Unix covers operating systems such as Andriod, MacOS, and all derivatives of Linux and BSD.

[manikyath]

4 hours ago, Fordle said:

Unix covers operating systems such as Andriod, MacOS, and all derivatives of Linux and BSD.

so, your scope is "everything that isnt windows"? (bvecause, essentially, it's the only OS worth talking about that isnt on that tree)

"everything that isnt windows" is a scope about as clear as "everything that isnt a sandwich".

 

let's break this down a bit more:

- MacOS: that's where mac address should serve your needs, i presume. (if it doesnt yet, make recommendations for mac address content)

- Android: i think you just angered a sleeping monster by considering this linux. while it is *technically* running on a linux kernel.. everything above it is completely separated, and (in normal usage)  you cant access anything abou tthe kernel anyways. Android also gets "what i find to be enough coverage" when new android releases and/or phones with new android releases come out. i like tinkering with my phone, and even i'm drawing a blank on  what i'd want android coverage to look like...

- BSD and linux: see "the second anthony" problem:

On 3/27/2023 at 5:20 PM, manikyath said:

"they need another anthony" = they need someone with the skill level of anthony, and those people arent exactly easy to find (for a video production role).

 

[Akolyte]

I understand why Linus doesn't expect a significant ROI from Linux content.  It's not what most of his audience wants to see and might duplicate what's already out there. 

 

If Linus did release a Linux/Unix channel, it would make sense to theme it around SME (Small/Medium Enterprise) to cover more business-oriented solutions.  I think it would still get a decent audience and might make a bit more ROI since enterprise vendors could sponsor him, and Linus has built significant trust in the tech community. 

 

Even then, though Linux would be a tool you use instead of the show's star, it could still cover some of the big news surrounding it.  In addition, you also have the Anthony issue, it would be hard to find people who are familiar enough with the kinds of technology a channel like that would cover. 

[RollyShed]

On 3/26/2023 at 4:00 AM, Fordle said:

Is there anyone here who wants to discuss Linux and similar unix related systems and give advice to LTT about it. I think dedicated content about Unix on LTT would be beneficial as it coveres a lot of devices globally.

I suggest that it is too wide a subject. For the majority of users one version of Linux is enough for them to follow and there will be a discussion group already there covering that version.

 

As for devices rather than computers using Unix / Linux, a specialised area and a general discussion group most likely would not be specific enough or have the specific knowledge wanted.

[Commodore256]

I won't count Mac OS or Android or iOS or especially Playstation OS, "UNIX"-related because the culture around it has nothing to do with UNIX. Very few iOS users use iOS features that makes UNIX, UNIX, they just use proprietary extensions. They don't care about UNIX, they care about the black box extensions. Like do they use the UNIX core utils, do they use input and output redirection? Do they use shellscripts to automate tasks? I suppose Mac OSes Automator is there, but very few mac users actually use it and even if they did, it's still not UNIX-y.

I suppose you don't really mean UNIX, you mean non-windows alternative. But we live in era where using Windows as your primary OS is an alternative, not many people have a GPD Win instead of a smart phone.