Updating from the year 2015 - $4k for 4k

[Realgamedad]

Budget (including currency): $4000 (Don't have to spend all of it. I'm fine going with $3500+)

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Strictly gaming. ARPGs (Path of Exile, Diablo, etc), Riot games, CS, occasional single player AAA titles

Other details: Last built in 2015. Will be playing at 4k resolution / 160hz. Current build list is an intel I7 build but I am open to the 7800X3D and have been heavily looking into it. I don't get a good feel for how the two platforms would perform on the types of titles I play most (ARPGs) and I'm trying to monitor the stability/initial performance of the 7950X3D. In a 7800X3D I would just swap out CPU/Moba/Ram combo to an equivalent level AMD platform.

 

Appreciate any perspective.

 

Starting Intel point below:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kpvLGL

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Realgamedad said:

Budget (including currency): $4000 (Don't have to spend all of it. I'm fine going with $3500+)

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Strictly gaming. ARPGs (Path of Exile, Diablo, etc), Riot games, CS, occasional single player AAA titles

Other details: Last built in 2015. Will be playing at 4k resolution / 160hz. Current build list is an intel I7 build but I am open to the 7800X3D and have been heavily looking into it. I don't get a good feel for how the two platforms would perform on the types of titles I play most (ARPGs) and I'm trying to monitor the stability/initial performance of the 7950X3D. In a 7800X3D I would just swap out CPU/Moba/Ram combo to an equivalent level AMD platform.

 

Appreciate any perspective.

 

Starting Intel point below:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kpvLGL

Edited build and intel build will be below if you really want to go intel: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TYFwW4

Intel build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6NhsTn

[jaslion]

So 4k high refresh for your type of games is not something the 4090 can do all game wide without dropping to at best medium in some.

 

Is 4k a must? If not I'd recommend 1440p and going a bit cheaper so you can then in a couple years slap in a true 4k high refresh gpu.

 

 

[Zando_]

23 minutes ago, Realgamedad said:

Starting Intel point below:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kpvLGL

Looks good, nothing jumps out as something to change.

24 minutes ago, Realgamedad said:

Current build list is an intel I7 build but I am open to the 7800X3D and have been heavily looking into it. I don't get a good feel for how the two platforms would perform on the types of titles I play most (ARPGs) and I'm trying to monitor the stability/initial performance of the 7950X3D. In a 7800X3D I would just swap out CPU/Moba/Ram combo to an equivalent level AMD platform.

Either platform is wicked fast. For stability, JayzTwoCents has been having some RAM/mobo issues and such with his 7950X3D:

Apparently the review sample he has is okay, it's just his personal chip that's weird, so it seems to be luck of the draw. If you're fine with having to manually tweak some settings until BIOS updates improve everything, 7000 series should be fine. From the latter half of his video, gaming performance wise it's an absolute beast.

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

So 4k high refresh for your type of games is not something the 4090 can do all game wide without dropping to at best medium in some.

 

Is 4k a must? If not I'd recommend 1440p and going a bit cheaper so you can then in a couple years slap in a true 4k high refresh gpu.

Should handle 4K easily, games where high Hz matters a lot are typically easier to run. From Jay's video above, he locks Hogwarts Legacy and the Dead Space remake at 120fps @3840x1600 max settings. Not quite the full pixel count of 3840x2160, only about 3/4. It's not perfectly linear scaling, but even lopping 1/4-1/3 of the fps off for full 4K leaves you at 80-90 fps in two of the beefiest singleplayer titles currently.

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16 minutes ago, jaslion said:

So 4k high refresh for your type of games is not something the 4090 can do all game wide without dropping to at best medium in some.

 

Is 4k a must? If not I'd recommend 1440p and going a bit cheaper so you can then in a couple years slap in a true 4k high refresh gpu.

 

 

Coming from 1080p 144mhz gaming currently, I don’t have the best feel for visually what I’d be seeing at 4K vs 1440p. I’m not looking to top ladders so was looking for a visually immersive experience and figured 4K for that reason. As evidenced by my current PC hanging for 8 years, I do intend to keep this a while - although swapping GPUs isn’t cumbersome.

 

Long answer to say I supposed 4K isn’t a requirement, but was something I was interested in, even if that means dropping from “ultra” settings to medium-high. Unfortunately don’t know how to really compare the two outside of buying and trying. 
 

edit - if I were to do that swap in a few years, I’d also have to rebuy new monitors again, feels like an added cost that could possibly be avoided?

[leclod]

What is your screen size ?

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8 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Looks good, nothing jumps out as something to change.

Either platform is wicked fast. For stability, JayzTwoCents has been having some RAM/mobo issues and such with his 7950X3D:

Apparently the review sample he has is okay, it's just his personal chip that's weird, so it seems to be luck of the draw. If you're fine with having to manually tweak some settings until BIOS updates improve everything, 7000 series should be fine. From the latter half of his video, gaming performance wise it's an absolute beast.

Should handle 4K easily, games where high Hz matters a lot are typically easier to run. From Jay's video above, he locks Hogwarts Legacy and the Dead Space remake at 120fps @3840x1600 max settings. Not quite the full pixel count of 3840x2160, only about 3/4. It's not perfectly linear scaling, but even lopping 1/4-1/3 of the fps off for full 4K leaves you at 80-90 fps in two of the beefiest singleplayer titles currently.

He is one of the sources of information I’ve been tracking, acknowledging that individuals with negative experiences will be more vocal about those issues than the many people having no problem. Not an issue if I have to tweak things a bit subsequently so long as I’m not experiencing crashing. Limited time currently to play so like to utilize that time for enjoyment right now versus fixing.

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2 minutes ago, leclod said:

What is your screen size ?

27inch for the new 4ks. LG UltraGears. 

[Zando_]

9 minutes ago, Realgamedad said:

Long answer to say I supposed 4K isn’t a requirement, but was something I was interested in, even if that means dropping from “ultra” settings to medium-high. Unfortunately don’t know how to really compare the two outside of buying and trying. 

For a 27" panel I doubt there's much difference in games unless you're paying close attention. From seeing my friend's new 1440p panel vs a 4K one though, text is noticeably less sharp (unfortunately I haven't seen games on one vs the other either). So for any non-gaming stuff 4K will be much better, and if you like taking screenshots and want to be able to crop them without losing detail, that's nice as well (these are the two reasons I run a 4K panel). At any larger size, 4K will fare much better than 1440p.

2 minutes ago, Realgamedad said:

Not an issue if I have to tweak things a bit subsequently so long as I’m not experiencing crashing. Limited time currently to play so like to utilize that time for enjoyment right now versus fixing.

Dodge the ASUS boards then, he was saying those are having abnormally high reports of weird issues. The EXPO thing isn't a big troubleshooting deal, just flip it off in BIOS and reboot, so I wouldn't put that down as a dealbreaker. Technically it's less performance, but on modern hardware it's often like a 15fps difference at 200+ fps to begin with, and at 1080p where framerates are more CPU dependent. Doubt you'd notice the effects of slower RAM at 4K without specifically measuring and comparing fps numbers.