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Need more displays on HP Slimline machine, but installing GPU disables onboard displays

jt532

I have an unusual use case where I need an HP Slimline 290-p0043w to have at least 6 display outputs. I recently bought a Quadro NVS 510 GPU to get an additional four outputs. The HP machine has an onboard HDMI and VGA port, but unfortunately I just learned that those displays become disabled as soon as I plug in another GPU, and there are NO bios options to re-enable the onboard graphics. So currently I'm stuck with either 2 displays (onboard only) or 4 displays (NVS 510 only), but I need 6.

 

There is a single x16 and a single x1 slot in the HP. The Quadro fits in the x16 slot but not the x1 slot. At this point I'm thinking I'll need an x1 GPU with two displays to fit in the x1 slot to get up to the 6 that I need. I found a couple contenders:

I'd like to go with the ATI because it is cheapest, but I have no idea if it will work with Windows 10 (version 1809) or if it will be able to provide two additional displays at the same time the NVS 510 is plugged in and using 4 displays. I assume the NVS 295 will work OK, but it costs a lot more. I'm willing to pay it though if it's my only option.

 

The only other thing I can think of is getting another NVS 510 so I can get 4 more mini displayport outputs, but the problem is that I cannot find an x1 variant of it. I don't think I can use an x1 to x16 adapter because there is very little room left in the case, but let me know if there is something I'm missing.

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Any other ideas on how to get two (or more) additional displays out of this machine, for a total of 6?

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You'll end up potentially drawing too much power too.

 

That hp has a 180w psu it may simply not give enoigh power to the x1 slot to run a gpu. I've seen this multiple times before with hp.

 

The other issue is that these are all OLD OLD. The ati doesnt have win 10 drivers, the gt 710 conflicts with the nvs510 for drivers and so does the nvs295.

 

You are sadly at the limit of what your system can do.

 

Do you need any gpu acceleration? Because for text and stuff you can get usb screen adapters. They have a VERY BASIC display adapter on board and the cpu has to basically do all the work but it will get you those 2 extra displays.

 

The nvs 510 also already no longer gets drivers so adding anything new from nvidia that needs newer drivers than version 386 (i think thats the last) is also not possible.

 

In the end its basically the hp not being a fit computer for the task you want it to do. This is where a full desktop would have been wanted as then yoi could have proper multiple cards or simply a six port quadro.

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What types of display outputs do you need? I'd personally choose the GT 710 in this situation, but I don't know if the GeForce drivers would work properly with the Quadro card you already have. The price for that Quadro NVS 295 seems ridiculous to me - the x16 version of that card is worth all of $10 on eBay. 

 

Another idea would be DisplayLink adapters that connect via USB. They aren't as good as a PCIe GPU, but they'd save you the hassle of overpaying for an ancient card with outdated drivers. 

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3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

You'll end up potentially drawing too much power too.

 

That hp has a 180w psu it may simply not give enoigh power to the x1 slot to run a gpu. I've seen this multiple times before with hp.

 

The other issue is that these are all OLD OLD. The ati doesnt have win 10 drivers, the gt 710 conflicts with the nvs510 for drivers and so does the nvs295.

 

You are sadly at the limit of what your system can do.

 

Do you need any gpu acceleration? Because for text and stuff you can get usb screen adapters. They have a VERY BASIC display adapter on board and the cpu has to basically do all the work but it will get you those 2 extra displays.

All it needs to do is be able to display a 30 FPS 1280x720 video projected from OBS. If that can be done with USB adapters, I'll certainly try them.

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2 minutes ago, jt532 said:

All it needs to do is be able to display a 30 FPS 1280x720 video projected from OBS. If that can be done with USB adapters, I'll certainly try them

Can it even do that right now with 4 displays? The nvs510 doesnt exactly do a lot for video encoding?

 

What cpu does it have because if you go this route the cpu has to do ALL the work for those 2 video's and if its for ecample an i3 8100 its gonna be rough

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1 minute ago, BondiBlue said:

What types of display outputs do you need? I'd personally choose the GT 710 in this situation, but I don't know if the GeForce drivers would work properly with the Quadro card you already have. The price for that Quadro NVS 295 seems ridiculous to me - the x16 version of that card is worth all of $10 on eBay. 

 

Another idea would be DisplayLink adapters that connect via USB. They aren't as good as a PCIe GPU, but they'd save you the hassle of overpaying for an ancient card with outdated drivers. 

I just need 1280x720 at 30 fps. I will be displaying a low resolution stream from OBS.

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2 minutes ago, jt532 said:

I just need 1280x720 at 30 fps. I will be displaying a low resolution stream from OBS.

DisplayLink adapters should handle that no problem. They're more powerful than the NVS 295, which is a plus. 

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2 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

DisplayLink adapters should handle that no problem. They're more powerful than the NVS 295, which is a plus. 

Not hard to do that with the age and power of said card 😛

 

 

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Are these displays all going to be showing the same thing? If so, all you need is an HDMI duplicator.

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2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Not hard to do that with the age and power of said card 😛

Years ago I bought a Dell Precision T3500 for $10 out of a scrap pile. It came with dual Quadro NVS 295 cards installed (both original to the machine), and I tried them out when I got Windows installed. That lasted all of five minutes before I ripped them both out and installed a freaking GT 710. That was a massive upgrade. 

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1 minute ago, Echothedolpin said:

Are these displays all going to be showing the same thing? If so, all you need is an HDMI duplicator.

No, they are all showing different independent video streams

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24 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

this. assuming you're doing office workloads, displaylink is great.

 

HP's type-c laptop docks use displaylink so they work *literally everywhere*, and you honestly cant really tell they arent running off DP alt mode. in fact... you can tell, because they're vastly more reliable than DP alt mode docks are...

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