How do I undervolt (or overclock) ryzen 5 3600 3.6ghz stock cpu??

[newuser2022]

Which one should I do? Or should I do both? Also I have a good fan cooler (but it's not aio or water) so none of them should become a problem. Help is much appreciated.

[191x7]

No need to do anything, won't get anything noticeable.

Just use the latest bios, xmp/docp, RAM at least 3200 dual channel, maybe upgrade to a 5000 series of you need stronger.

[newuser2022]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

No need to do anything, won't get anything noticeable.

Just use the latest bios, xmp/docp, RAM at least 3200 dual channel, maybe upgrade to a 5000 series of you need stronger.

idk about noticeable I just want to do it for the learning experience and the fun, and obviously there **IS** a performance increase.... not like there's going to be 0 increase

[newuser2022]

Also what is pbo? How do I integrate it into my cpu?

[RONOTHAN##]

Enable PBO and maybe play around with the PBO limits if you feel like it. Anything else is kinda pointless, manual overclocking gets you nowhere on those chips, maybe an extra 5% in all core workloads and lose up to 10% in lighter thread workloads like games, and undervolting doesn't make sense either since you either run into clock stretching issues (high clock speeds but performance absolutely tanks) if you do a voltage offset or if you do a manual style undervolt you lose out on single core boost, again losing 10% in light workloads. PBO2, the way you undervolt Ryzen 5000, was not introduced, so undervolting on Ryzen 3000 just doesn't work. 

 

3 minutes ago, newuser2022 said:

idk about noticeable I just want to do it for the learning experience and the fun, and obviously there **IS** a performance increase.... not like there's going to be 0 increase

If that's the goal, go for hwbot scores instead. daily stable overclocks on Ryzen don't make sense, but for just competitive benchmarking where you don't care about stability as long as you can finish the benchmark you can get some scaling. For settings you can run day to day though, no, there just isn't a performance increase, you're just gonna be beaten by PBO. 

 

7 minutes ago, newuser2022 said:

Also what is pbo? How do I integrate it into my cpu?

Precision Boost Overdrive. It's AMD's boost algorithm. It should be a toggle somewhere in your BIOS, enable it and call it a day. If you really want to put effort in, you can optimize the TDC, EDC, and PPT values since they tend to sweet spot for performance, though we're talking in the range of 3-5% at the most, nothing you're realistically gonna be able to notice or actually care about, and for a lot of mid to low end motherboards the default values will be near spot on for the optimal values (high end boards in my experience tend to set them too high and can see a performance increase from this, but again, nothing you would actually be able to notice). 

[newuser2022]

6 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Enable PBO and maybe play around with the PBO limits if you feel like it. Anything else is kinda pointless, manual overclocking gets you nowhere on those chips, maybe an extra 5% in all core workloads and lose up to 10% in lighter thread workloads like games, and undervolting doesn't make sense either since you either run into clock stretching issues (high clock speeds but performance absolutely tanks) if you do a voltage offset or if you do a manual style undervolt you lose out on single core boost, again losing 10% in light workloads. PBO2, the way you undervolt Ryzen 5000, was not introduced, so undervolting on Ryzen 3000 just doesn't work. 

 

If that's the goal, go for hwbot scores instead. daily stable overclocks on Ryzen don't make sense, but for just competitive benchmarking where you don't care about stability as long as you can finish the benchmark you can get some scaling. For settings you can run day to day though, no, there just isn't a performance increase, you're just gonna be beaten by PBO. 

 

Precision Boost Overdrive. It's AMD's boost algorithm. It should be a toggle somewhere in your BIOS, enable it and call it a day. If you really want to put effort in, you can optimize the TDC, EDC, and PPT values since they tend to sweet spot for performance, though we're talking in the range of 3-5% at the most, nothing you're realistically gonna be able to notice or actually care about, and for a lot of mid to low end motherboards the default values will be near spot on for the optimal values (high end boards in my experience tend to set them too high and can see a performance increase from this, but again, nothing you would actually be able to notice). 

so then what is the recommended method? There are so many options I do not know what to choose.

The thing you mentioned about competitive benchmarking, no I do not want to do that. I want amazing performance from this cpu and be able to use it daily without facing crashes 

[RONOTHAN##]

2 minutes ago, newuser2022 said:

so then what is the recommended method? There are so many options I do not know what to choose.

The thing you mentioned about competitive benchmarking, no I do not want to do that. I want amazing performance from this cpu and be able to use it daily without facing crashes 

Just enable PBO and call it a day. If you're planning on running it daily that is your best bet, every other method of overclocking that chip gets so little performance uplifts, if not losing performance, that it's just not worth doing. PBO runs it at ~97% of its potential at all times, while manually overclocking will get it to 100% in some instances and 90% in everything else or make it horribly unstable. It's just not worth overclocking, and this is coming from someone who has overclocked every GPU I've run in my main system and every CPU in my main system, apart from the Ryzen 3000/5000 series chips because they were too temperamental to deal with tuning PBO for an extra 2% performance and a manual overclock reduced my gaming performance by about 10%.

 

If you really want to overclock something and possibly get a noticeable performance improvement out of it, overclock your RAM, since that might actually have some headroom left in it and Ryzen 3000 series chips especially scale from memory speed (not so much Ryzen 5000, but they still do to some extent) and XMP profiles do leave a lot of performance on the table, though RAM overclocking is generally considered the final boss of overclocking and is not for the feign of heart, so keep that in mind. That said, Ryzen 3000/5000 is generally one of the easier platforms to learn to do RAM overclocking on since your entire goal is to just max out the FCLK and in that range the Ryzen 3000/5000 series memory controller and motherboards are pretty well behaved, though it's still RAM overclocking so keep that in mind.

[newuser2022]

3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Just enable PBO and call it a day. If you're planning on running it daily that is your best bet, every other method of overclocking that chip gets so little performance uplifts, if not losing performance, that it's just not worth doing. PBO runs it at ~97% of its potential at all times, while manually overclocking will get it to 100% in some instances and 90% in everything else or make it horribly unstable. It's just not worth overclocking, and this is coming from someone who has overclocked every GPU I've run in my main system and every CPU in my main system, apart from the Ryzen 3000/5000 series chips because they were too temperamental to deal with tuning PBO for an extra 2% performance and a manual overclock reduced my gaming performance by about 10%.

 

If you really want to overclock something and possibly get a noticeable performance improvement out of it, overclock your RAM, since that might actually have some headroom left in it and Ryzen 3000 series chips especially scale from memory speed (not so much Ryzen 5000, but they still do to some extent) and XMP profiles do leave a lot of performance on the table, though RAM overclocking is generally considered the final boss of overclocking and is not for the feign of heart, so keep that in mind. That said, Ryzen 3000/5000 is generally one of the easier platforms to learn to do RAM overclocking on since your entire goal is to just max out the FCLK and in that range the Ryzen 3000/5000 series memory controller and motherboards are pretty well behaved, though it's still RAM overclocking so keep that in mind.

oh thanks for the info bro, do you have any recommended tdc and etc. values? I am going to enable pbo


also my ram is xmp enabled, running at 3.2ghz

[newuser2022]

1 minute ago, newuser2022 said:

oh thanks for the info bro, do you have any recommended tdc and etc. values? I am going to enable pbo


also my ram is xmp enabled, running at 3.2ghz

i have msi board and have pbo option under amd overclocking set to advanced or just enabled???

[RONOTHAN##]

9 minutes ago, newuser2022 said:

oh thanks for the info bro, do you have any recommended tdc and etc. values? I am going to enable pbo

They change depending on the specific chip, and I don't have any experience with a 3600 in particular, just the other Ryzen chips. From what I remember something like 80, 80, 120 should get you pretty close to optimal values for TDC, EDC, and PPT respectively, but I don't know first hand, plus it varies depending on the specific workload you're tuning for (the limits that get the highest score in Cinebench aren't the limits that get the highest score for say Y cruncher, for instance). 

 

7 minutes ago, newuser2022 said:

i have msi board and have pbo option under amd overclocking set to advanced or just enabled???

Set it to enabled if you just want the board to set the limits automatically, set it to advanced if you want to set the limits yourself.

 

Advanced should also give you access to the scalar and PBO frequency offset options, though the frequency offsets generally don't actually get you higher performance (the frequency goes up in HWInfo and it can sometimes get you an extra 1% performance, but raising it tends to not scale performance like you'd expect and cause more issues than it solves), and the scalar just changes what voltages you hit you run (in theory at least, in practice I've never noticed it actually do anything). Neither of those two are worth touching, leave them on auto.

[newuser2022]

5 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

They change depending on the specific chip, and I don't have any experience with a 3600 in particular, just the other Ryzen chips. From what I remember something like 80, 80, 120 should get you pretty close to optimal values for TDC, EDC, and PPT respectively, but I don't know first hand, plus it varies depending on the specific workload you're tuning for (the limits that get the highest score in Cinebench aren't the limits that get the highest score for say Y cruncher, for instance). 

 

Set it to enabled if you just want the board to set the limits automatically, set it to advanced if you want to set the limits yourself.

 

Advanced should also give you access to the scalar and PBO frequency offset options, though the frequency offsets generally don't actually get you higher performance (the frequency goes up in HWInfo and it can sometimes get you an extra 1% performance, but raising it tends to not scale performance like you'd expect and cause more issues than it solves), and the scalar just changes what voltages you hit you run (in theory at least, in practice I've never noticed it actually do anything). Neither of those two are worth touching, leave them on auto.

so for now should I just leave pbo on enabled and not mess with the tdc values or mess with them now?

[RONOTHAN##]

Just now, newuser2022 said:

so for now should I just leave pbo on enabled and not mess with the tdc values or mess with them now?

I would just do enabled and mess with them in the future, or not at all. 

[newuser2022]

Just now, RONOTHAN## said:

I would just do enabled and mess with them in the future, or not at all. 

ight fam thx a lot 

[newuser2022]

33 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I would just do enabled and mess with them in the future, or not at all. 

where i live we have frequent power outages, will this hurt my cpu and gpu life? looking forwawrd to buying a ups soon though

[191x7]

Do not do overclocking unless you've learned it first!

You have to know what options do and the ways to negate the potential issues first. Not just know but understand.

Clearly you have no clue when you have to ask stuff like "what's PBO".

To me it looks like you're searching for someone dumb enough to tell you "set this, this and this" and call it a day.

That is not the way to overclock, undervolt, tweak or optimize - that is a way to get issues, maybe even damage hardware.

 

And the Ryzen 3600 is a wrong CPU to test overclocking on. 

[aDoomGuy]

10 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Do not do overclocking unless you've learned it first!

Then how to learn? Back in the day I learned by trial and error, as did most I believe. After all motherboards come with some way to clear CMOS.

 

1 hour ago, newuser2022 said:

Which one should I do? Or should I do both? Also I have a good fan cooler (but it's not aio or water) so none of them should become a problem. Help is much appreciated.

Head into BIOS and find whatever your motherboard vendor calls CPU voltage. Now try set offset voltage to negative (-) and 100mV (0,100V). Should boot fine. If not clear CMOS and forget about this.

[191x7]

Just now, aDoomGuy said:

Then how to learn? Back in the day I learned by trial and error, as did most I believe. After all motherboards come with some way to clear CMOS.

 

Back in the day you had to understand what you were doing too. To do a pencil mod, solder, change settings... you always consulted your knowledge, the manual, the knowledge of others (literature, friends) and lady luck. Only idiots went into it head first and they were filling repair shops quite nicely. I remember people "doing overclocking" without ever hearing about "clearing CMOS".

The times are different today. There are guides for everything, both detailed and watered down. If someone doesn't want to read or watch a few decent videos, they should not be doing any overclocking! Cause it's usually kids who don't know the value of a working computer.

[aDoomGuy]

Just now, 191x7 said:

Back in the day you had to understand what you were doing too. To do a pencil mod, solder, change settings... you always consulted your knowledge, the manual, the knowledge of others (literature, friends) and lady luck. Only idiots went into it head first and they were filling repair shops quite nicely. I remember people "doing overclocking" without ever hearing about "clearing CMOS".

The times are different today. There are guides for everything, both detailed and watered down. If someone doesn't want to read or watch a few decent videos, they should not be doing any overclocking! Cause it's usually kids who don't know the value of a working computer.

Yeah of course. You gotto understand basic things like what CPU multi is, why you can't boot if you increase it, why you get bluescreen and how to use voltage and LLC to combat instability. I've personally never done any hardware modding like volt modding a video card.

 

6 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

I remember people "doing overclocking" without ever hearing about "clearing CMOS"

Totally. I've seen many threads along the lines of "I overclocked X system and now wont turn on" lol but then they go to places like here or OCN while that was alive and get told to clear CMOS and how and they learned. Ryzen CPU isn't the best to learn from though. They don't OC much it seems. There probably are guides though but silicone is not created equal so apart from basic knowledge I don't think there is much to learn from them.

[Beerzerker]

I can speak to that myself.
If you don't know what the terms in the BIOS are, what they mean and how they apply, you'll find yourself in trouble in a hurry.

It's best to find an older setup and start there since it's less complicated (Simpler BIOS) and go from there.
I started with Socket A myself, learned the basics with that and went from there.