Rx 6650 xt vs rtx 3060 12gb

[Bayron]

This: https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-R665XTEAGLE-8GD#kf

 

OR

 

This: https://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=1105&lang=en

 

Price difference: 25 euros in favor for amd 

 

CPU: ryzen 5 3600 

 

PC usage:casual gaming 

 

Tnx for help

[Dukesilver27-]

6650XT is 13% faster than 3060, and 3060's RT performance is pitiful, FSR is almost as good as DLSS, then again, DLSS in 1080p is not recommended due to how blurry it is. Literally no reason to go with 3060 if you only game.

So, 6650 XT.

[191x7]

38 minutes ago, Bayron said:

This: https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-R665XTEAGLE-8GD#kf

 

OR

 

This: https://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=1105&lang=en

 

Price difference: 25 euros in favor for amd 

 

CPU: ryzen 5 3600 

 

PC usage:casual gaming 

 

Tnx for help

Since your board lacks PCI-E 4.0 support, a 6650XT will be limited a tiny bit since it uses only 8 lanes.

How about a Radeon 6700 non-xt? It performs on pair with a 6650, has 2GB more and uses all 16 PCI-E lanes.

[Bayron]

23 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Since your board lacks PCI-E 4.0 support, a 6650XT will be limited a tiny bit since it uses only 8 lanes.

How about a Radeon 6700 non-xt? It performs on pair with a 6650, has 2GB more and uses all 16 PCI-E lanes.

 

 

1 hour ago, Dukesilver27- said:

6650XT is 13% faster than 3060, and 3060's RT performance is pitiful, FSR is almost as good as DLSS, then again, DLSS in 1080p is not recommended due to how blurry it is. Literally no reason to go with 3060 if you only game.

So, 6650 XT.

Rx 6700 non xt in my region is even more than both of them I need best bang for the buck card whit most future proofnes, my current card has lasted me allmost 4 years( gtx 1650 super) , before that, had rx 460 4gb, same, 3+ years, so if i upgrade, than for longer time period

[SteveGrabowski0]

1 hour ago, 191x7 said:

Since your board lacks PCI-E 4.0 support, a 6650XT will be limited a tiny bit since it uses only 8 lanes.

How about a Radeon 6700 non-xt? It performs on pair with a 6650, has 2GB more and uses all 16 PCI-E lanes.

Probably more than made up for by AMD's lower driver overhead than Nvidia in DX12. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

6650 XT beats the 3060 by about 15% at 1080p

 

[Bayron]

38 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

6650 XT beats the 3060 by about 15% at 1080p

 

But will. It be more future proof?

[Dukesilver27-]

4 hours ago, Bayron said:

But will. It be more future proof?

Obviously....After all, It is faster, nothing makes RTX cards more future proof than RX cards.

RT? Even RTX 3090 still need DLSS to really use RT in games, lower end cards RT performance is laughable anyway.

DLSS? FSR is almost as good now, and almost as many games have it.

 

Incidentally, what's your motherboard?

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

6 hours ago, Bayron said:

But will. It be more future proof?

They'll be fine for 1080p for 2-4 years most likely. Neither will last very long at 1440p, 6650 XT because of the 8GB and 3060 because it's too weak. You want future proof buy a 4090. I'd expect the 6650 XT to age better for 1080p where 8GB is still plenty of VRAM.

[SteveGrabowski0]

1 hour ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Obviously....After all, It is faster, nothing makes RTX cards more future proof than RX cards.

RT? Even RTX 3090 still need DLSS to really use RT in games, lower end cards RT performance is laughable anyway.

DLSS? FSR is almost as good now, and almost as many games have it.

 

Incidentally, what's your motherboard?

 

I really regret going cheap and buying a bridge gpu in 2020, namely the GTX 1660 Super, to get me through until there were better RT options instead of just saying to hell with RT and buying the RX 5700 XT that was the 1440p price to performance king from the get go. A couple of months ago decided to hell with waiting for RT in the midrange and got a 6700 XT to replace that 1660S, though the 6700 XT is surprisingly competent at RT as long as you're not playing Cyberpunk or Portal RTX. Currently playing through Control on it with RT, though I have to drop to scrubby 1080p to do it with a little better than console settings and only RT reflections and RT glass reflections turned on. Would love to turn on the RT illumination too but would need a 3060 Ti for that. But no way I was buying a 3060 Ti / 3070 / 3070 Ti with 8GB for 1440p.

 

6650 XT is definitely the 1080p price to performance king now and there's just nothing that touches it in that market segment. I would not wait for affordable RT because it's not coming anyways until at least the RTX 5000 series with Nvidia repeating the disgusting Turing price models and turning them to 11 with RTX 4000 series.

[Bayron]

7 hours ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Obviously....After all, It is faster, nothing makes RTX cards more future proof than RX cards.

RT? Even RTX 3090 still need DLSS to really use RT in games, lower end cards RT performance is laughable anyway.

DLSS? FSR is almost as good now, and almost as many games have it.

 

Incidentally, what's your motherboard?

 

I still have b450 board whit pcie3 so I'm worried if the rx 6650 xt won't be limited in some way, because it's pcie4 card. 

 

Will probably upgrade MB, but later. 

[Bayron]

5 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

They'll be fine for 1080p for 2-4 years most likely. Neither will last very long at 1440p, 6650 XT because of the 8GB and 3060 because it's too weak. You want future proof buy a 4090. I'd expect the 6650 XT to age better for 1080p where 8GB is still plenty of VRAM.

I have 1080p monitor, and I think 1440p is not needed(at least for me), only problem at this point, my pcie3 MB(will upgrade eventually, but later) 

[QuantumSingularity]

Between those 2 cards, 6650 every day of the week. The 3060 for more than $200 is just there to protect the shelves from the dust, by gathering it itself. It's worse value even than the 4080 and that isn't a small feat. 

[GamerDude]

Subjectively, due to all the nVidia shills and mindshare, peeps always think nVidia for their GPU purchase, that's why nVidia gets to sell their lower performance cards at a higher price (against AMD cards). Objectively they must know (thru just some google search) that the RX 6650XT and RX 6600 XT beats the RTX 3060 in just about all games.

 

There are exceptions, perhaps games that favor nVidia like Warhammer 40K Darktide, Control, Cyberpunk. Games that perhaps the RTX 3060 might just edge out (by that, I mean wins by a small margin) the RX 6600XT/6650XT. In most other games, the RTX 3060 can't keep up with the RX 6600 XT, let alone the 6650 XT. Yet, buyers struggle to choose the obviously faster card(s) because of the nVidia mindshare. Pay more for the slower card, why? nVidia RTX branding. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

7 hours ago, Bayron said:

I have 1080p monitor, and I think 1440p is not needed(at least for me), only problem at this point, my pcie3 MB(will upgrade eventually, but later) 

You'll be fine at PCIE-3.0x8 with a 6650 XT. Here's some testing Techpowerup did on the 6600 XT, where they found a 2% difference at 1080p on average using PCIE-3.0x8 vs PCIE-4.0x8

 

 

The outliers were 

 

Battlefield V with a 6% drop

 

Death Stranding with a 7% drop

 

Hitman 3 with a 13% drop

 

Watch Dogs Legion with a 5% drop

 

The other 19 games are within a percent or two, and often a lot less than that. Even on the most graphically intense games like Control, Cyberpunk, AC Valhalla, Metro Exodus, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc.

 

Techpowerup sums it up succinctly as

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The second big question for this article is what happens to performance when you run RX 6600 XT on a system that only supports PCIe Gen 3 only, and the answer here is quite similar to that of the previous question: on average, you're looking at a 1–2% performance loss, much more in some exotic titles. Considering PCIe Gen 3 is still used in millions of PCs, this is just as important a question, but not worth losing sleep over in my opinion. The RX 6600 XT is a huge upgrade over cards like the GTX 1060 or RX 580 and offers excellent performance at 1080p Full HD no matter whether you're on PCIe Gen 4 or Gen 3. Every single title in our test suite ran very well, at the highest settings. Even for the case of Hitman 3; sure, it would have been nice to have 120 instead 105 FPS, but is that really an issue if your alternatives are the RTX 3060 at 100 FPS, RX 5700 XT at 97 FPS, RTX 2080 at 114 FPS, and RTX 2080 Super at 119 FPS? Or MUCH lower of course when using that old graphics card you replaced with the RX 6600 XT. On the other hand, the GeForce RTX 3060 and RTX 3060 Ti do support the full PCI-Express 4.0 x16 interface (and 3.0 x16, too), so it will see a negligible performance hit when moving from PCIe 4.0 to PCIe 3.0.

 

Here is the full article

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/

[Bayron]

19 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

You'll be fine at PCIE-3.0x8 with a 6650 XT. Here's some testing Techpowerup did on the 6600 XT, where they found a 2% difference at 1080p on average using PCIE-3.0x8 vs PCIE-4.0x8

 

 

The outliers were 

 

Battlefield V with a 6% drop

 

Death Stranding with a 7% drop

 

Hitman 3 with a 13% drop

 

Watch Dogs Legion with a 5% drop

 

The other 19 games are within a percent or two, and often a lot less than that. Even on the most graphically intense games like Control, Cyberpunk, AC Valhalla, Metro Exodus, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc.

 

Techpowerup sums it up succinctly as

 

Here is the full article

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/

 

2 hours ago, GamerDude said:

Subjectively, due to all the nVidia shills and mindshare, peeps always think nVidia for their GPU purchase, that's why nVidia gets to sell their lower performance cards at a higher price (against AMD cards). Objectively they must know (thru just some google search) that the RX 6650XT and RX 6600 XT beats the RTX 3060 in just about all games.

 

There are exceptions, perhaps games that favor nVidia like Warhammer 40K Darktide, Control, Cyberpunk. Games that perhaps the RTX 3060 might just edge out (by that, I mean wins by a small margin) the RX 6600XT/6650XT. In most other games, the RTX 3060 can't keep up with the RX 6600 XT, let alone the 6650 XT. Yet, buyers struggle to choose the obviously faster card(s) because of the nVidia mindshare. Pay more for the slower card, why? nVidia RTX branding. 

 

3 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Between those 2 cards, 6650 every day of the week. The 3060 for more than $200 is just there to protect the shelves from the dust, by gathering it itself. It's worse value even than the 4080 and that isn't a small feat. 

So basically rx 6650 xt all day, ok tnx

 

Will my 400w psu(80+bronze) handle it? 

 

It says card need minimum 500w psu but really tho? 

 

CPU ryzen 5 3600, 5 rgb fans whit controller, 2hdds, 1 m.2, nothing OCed and not planing to 

[SteveGrabowski0]

1 hour ago, Bayron said:

 

 

So basically rx 6650 xt all day, ok tnx

 

Will my 400w psu(80+bronze) handle it? 

 

It says card need minimum 500w psu but really tho? 

 

CPU ryzen 5 3600, 5 rgb fans whit controller, 2hdds, 1 m.2, nothing OCed and not planing to 

400W will be a tight fit even with a really nice 400W unit. I'd look for a decent ~550W unit, C-Tier or better on the Cultists list.

 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[Mike Mike]

45 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

400W will be a tight fit even with a really nice 400W unit. I'd look for a decent ~550W unit, C-Tier or better on the Cultists list.

 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Thank you, SteveGrabowski0 

[Bayron]

58 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

400W will be a tight fit even with a really nice 400W unit. I'd look for a decent ~550W unit, C-Tier or better on the Cultists list.

 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

OH, ok tnx