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I got about 300€ worth in Amazon credit as a Christmas bonus from my job and I was thinking about buying a R7 5800x3d with it, I would only have to put like 70€ on top. I could get a Asus Prime B450M-K motherboard from my brother and I can use my old ram. So this upgrade would cost me 70€. 
 

im currently using my i5 8600k and even overclocked I’m getting some strange behavior and sometimes weak performance from it. On the gpu side I have a 3070 and I play on 1440p ultrawide. Usually a cou shouldn’t be a bottleneck at 1440p but 30 frames in blade and sorcery and some crashes in Witcher 3 later and I’m thinking about this upgrade. 

any thoughts about this? Would love to hear some opinions on this before pulling the trigger. 

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You cant go wrong with how much performance uplift you get by spending €70. I would recommend it.

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Just now, Levent said:

You cant go wrong with how much performance uplift you get by spending €70. I would recommend it.

I couldn’t find any benchmarks comparing the 8600k and the 5800x3d, probably because the i5 8600k is getting old by now. What would you say how much more performance is the 5800x3d just roughly? Only using it for games and Vr 

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6 minutes ago, Blackjack1336 said:


 R7 5800x3d

Asus Prime B450M-K motherboard
 

I would not combine those. That board has terrible weak VRM-s. A Ryzen 5 5600 is the top CPU I'd put in it.

 

Have you considered going with an Intel i5 12400f and a B660 board with ddr4 support? I believe that would fit isnide 370€.

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6 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

I would not combine those. That board has terrible weak VRM-s. A Ryzen 5 5600 is the top CPU I'd put in it.

 

Have you considered going with an Intel i5 12400f and a B660 board with ddr4 support? I believe that would fit isnide 370€.

I didn’t think about that because together with a motherboard I would get over that 370€ for sure and like I said I could already get a motherboard from my brother. Do you think that vram problem could impede performance or anything more drastic? Because I would upgrade the motherboard soon afterwards and I would like to spend most of this bonus on a CPU that I would not need to upgrade in a few years and being that the 5800x3d is pretty much still one of the best cpus for gaming I think I should go with that one. 

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1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

I would not combine those. That board has terrible weak VRM-s. A Ryzen 5 5600 is the top CPU I'd put in it.

 

Have you considered going with an Intel i5 12400f and a B660 board with ddr4 support? I believe that would fit isnide 370€.

the 5800X3D doesnt draw that much power, i think this board may be able to handle this chip.

i mean its worth a try...

and if it doesnt work, a B450 or B550 board with decent vrms and cooling isnt that expensive

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19 minutes ago, Blackjack1336 said:

I didn’t think about that because together with a motherboard I would get over that 370€ for sure and like I said I could already get a motherboard from my brother. Do you think that vram problem could impede performance or anything more drastic? Because I would upgrade the motherboard soon afterwards and I would like to spend most of this bonus on a CPU that I would not need to upgrade in a few years and being that the 5800x3d is pretty much still one of the best cpus for gaming I think I should go with that one. 

 

19 minutes ago, JoHeJo06 said:

the 5800X3D doesnt draw that much power, i think this board may be able to handle this chip.

i mean its worth a try...

and if it doesnt work, a B450 or B550 board with decent vrms and cooling isnt that expensive

 

 

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  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
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  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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Update the BIOS on the Z370 board and see? Also check Windows version. Intel platforms rarely do weird things.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Update the BIOS on the Z370 board and see? Also check Windows version. Intel platforms rarely do weird things.

I got the newest bios and enabled resizable bar 

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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

what if this is disabled? 

Hm I’m seeing a lot of post about rebar hurting Performance will try tomorrow 

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Ok so I turned that of and I could immediately tell that blade and sorcery was running much smoother now but still dropped down to 40 fps on occasion on the smallest map…. Will see Witcher 3 performance today. 

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Anything pre-10th gen intel is now properly old thanks to real generational improvements. Whether you go intel or AMD from now on, you can't go wrong upgrading that relic, but the bonus with the 5800X3D is that you can basically use any DDR4 ram as long as it boots on the mobo, w/o losing too much performance. My ram doesn't go below 2666MHz, but even at those speeds i get exactly the same FPS as at 3200MHz. That's the effect of 100MB cache summed up for you. If gaming is your priority and everything else takes a back seat, the 5800X3D is still the CPU to go for. If however something else has higher priority, well... things get a bit more complicated then. Just be aware the all 13th gen intel CPUs and the 5800X3D run quite hot and need proper cooling.

| Ryzen 7 5800X3D | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 Rev 7| AsRock X570 Steel Legend |

| 4x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 4000MHz CL16 | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | Seasonic Focus GX-1000|

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1 hour ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Just be aware the all 13th gen intel CPUs and the 5800X3D run quite hot and need proper cooling.

I have a 360 Aio so cooling should be fine. However after turning resizable bar off I didn’t have any problems with Witcher 3 no crashes or long loading screens. Will wait until end of December maybe they will go down in price even more but then I will pull the trigger. Thanks to everyone 

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Prices of the GPUs certainly will go down, but don't know about CPUs. They are already extremely low and it's basically the bottom of what we will see. Certainly the X3D won't go down below €350 since it's selling like mad even at €450. I mean, yes, i got mine for €299 but i suspect that was a mistype and was supposed to be €399 because it was changed not even 3 minutes after i made the purchase, but well.. that's the beauty of online shopping.

| Ryzen 7 5800X3D | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 Rev 7| AsRock X570 Steel Legend |

| 4x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 4000MHz CL16 | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | Seasonic Focus GX-1000|

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I could get a ryzen 7 5800x non 3d for 250€ on Amazon. Are 120€ worth the 3d Upgrade? 

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From my personal experience, It's worth EVERY.SINGLE.PENNY! 

| Ryzen 7 5800X3D | Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 Rev 7| AsRock X570 Steel Legend |

| 4x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 4000MHz CL16 | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT | Seasonic Focus GX-1000|

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Pulled the trigger. It will arrive either Saturday or Monday. Can’t wait to feel the upgrade in Vr 😂

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i would say that 5800X3d is atleast douple as fast as the 8600k.

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|Ryzen 7 3700x, OC to 4.2ghz @1.3V, 67C, or 4.4ghz @1.456V, 87C || Asus strix 5700 XT, +50 core, +50 memory, +50 power (not a great overclocker) || Asus Strix b550-A || G.skill trident Z Neo rgb 32gb 3600mhz cl16-19-19-19-39, oc to 3733mhz with the same timings || Cooler Master ml360 RGB AIO || Phanteks P500A Digital || Thermaltake ToughPower grand RGB750w 80+gold || Samsung 850 250gb and Adata SX 6000 Lite 500gb || Toshiba 5400rpm 1tb || Asus Rog Theta 7.1 || Asus Rog claymore || Asus Gladius 2 origin gaming mouse || Monitor 1 Asus 1080p 144hz || Monitor 2 AOC 1080p 75hz || 

Test Rig.

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| Ryzen 5 3400G || Gigabyte b450 S2H || Hyper X fury 2x4gb 2666mhz cl 16 ||Stock cooler || Antec NX100 || Silverstone essential 400w || Transgend SSD 220s 480gb ||

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Tier lists for building a PC.

 

Motherboard tier list. Tier A for overclocking 5950x. Tier B for overclocking 5900x, Tier C for overclocking 5800X. Tier D for overclocking 5600X. Tier F for 4/6 core Cpus at stock. Tier E avoid.

(Also case airflow matter or if you are using Downcraft air cooler)

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Gpu tier list. Rtx 3000 and RX 6000 not included since not so many reviews. Tier S for Water cooling. Tier A and B for overcloking. Tier C stock and Tier D avoid.

( You can overclock Tier C just fine, but it can get very loud, that is why it is not recommended for overclocking, same with tier D)

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Psu tier List. Tier A for Rtx 3000, Vega and RX 6000. Tier B For anything else. Tier C cheap/IGPU. Tier D and E avoid.

(RTX 3000/ RX 6000 Might run just fine with higher wattage tier B unit, Rtx 3070 runs fine with tier B units)

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Cpu cooler tier list. Tier 1&2 for power hungry Cpus with Overclock. Tier 3&4 for overclocking Ryzen 3,5,7 or lower power Intel Cpus. Tier 5 for overclocking low end Cpus or 4/6 core Ryzen. Tier 6&7 for stock. Tier 8&9 Ryzen stock cooler performance. Do not waste your money!

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Storage tier List. Tier A for Moving files/  OS. Tier B for OS/Games. Tier C for games. Tier D budget Pcs. Tier E if on sale not the worst but not good.

(With a grain of salt, I use tier C for OS myself)

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Case Tier List. Work In Progress. Most Phanteks airflow series cases already done!

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