R7 5800X3D or R9 5900X at same price

[Sepperl999]

So I won a Zotac RTX 3080 AMP Holo in the 12gb variant in a Giveaway. It already arrived, so no scam or anything else.

Currently I've got an R5 3600 and an RX 6700XT in my pc. Cooler master V850 Gold V2 is already on its way so power won't be a problem. However I don't think my trusty 3600 will handle this upgrade. Bottleneck calculator says approximately 30% CPU Bottleneck on 1440p with High-Ultra settings in most games.

My motherboard is an MSI B550 Tomahawk so I'd say definitely decent, not like a budget board without vrm cooling or anything.

I want to upgrade my CPU on the same platform, so my question is R7 5800X3D or R9 5900X?

I live in Austria and the 5800X3D is 362€ and the R9 5900X is 378€ so basically the same price.

Just to clarify, I'm not planning to do crazy Animations, renders, etc. Maybe I'll stream or something, I mean I would have the Hardware for it

I tried to look for comparisons but it seems like there is no clear winner so I'm asking you guys.

Thanks for any help/recommendations

 

[Sarra]

For gaming only, get the 5800X3D.

 

For productivity, get the 5900X.

 

You can't really go wrong either way, though, TBH.

[Kid.Lazer]

I would tend to agree with @Sarra here, with a strong leaning toward the 5800X3D. While technically worse in productivity, it would be no slouch by any means.

[Turbof1]

Difficult one, but I'd say the 5800X3D. It matches in games the 13700k.

[Sepperl999]

1 minute ago, Kid.Lazer said:

I would tend to agree with @Sarra here, with a strong leaning toward the 5800X3D. While technically worse in productivity, it would be no slouch either.

Okay thanks to both of you!

I think I'll opt for the 5800X3D : )

[Sarra]

3 minutes ago, Sepperl999 said:

Okay thanks to both of you!

I think I'll opt for the 5800X3D : )

:3 No problem! Enjoy your new CPU when you get it.  

[PDifolco]

33 minutes ago, Sarra said:

For gaming only, get the 5800X3D.

 

For productivity, get the 5900X.

 

You can't really go wrong either way, though, TBH.

Well 5800X3D is always better in gaming @1080p or for low settings FPS @1440p

But for graphically intensive games @1440p (say CP2077) you're heavily GPU bound on a 3080, so gain nothing  from the 5800X3D, but still lose the 4 cores  

[Sarra]

1 minute ago, PDifolco said:

Well 5800X3D is always better in gaming @1080p or for low settings FPS @1440p

But for graphically intensive games @1440p (say CP2077) you're heavily GPU bound on a 3080, so gain nothing  from the 5800X3D, but still lose the 4 cores  

CP2077 isn't graphically intensive, it's poorly optimized. It's better than it was at launch, but it still doesn't perform as good as it could.

 

That said, a 5800X3D is going to do better at 1440p than the 5900X in most cases. The margin is slim, it doesn't particularly matter in the end, other than the OP having a slightly cheaper 5800X3D vs 5900X.

[PDifolco]

2 minutes ago, Sarra said:

CP2077 isn't graphically intensive, it's poorly optimized. It's better than it was at launch, but it still doesn't perform as good as it could.

 

That said, a 5800X3D is going to do better at 1440p than the 5900X in most cases. The margin is slim, it doesn't particularly matter in the end, other than the OP having a slightly cheaper 5800X3D vs 5900X.

You'll get pretty slim gaming performances for 10EUR but 4 cores less ...

[Sarra]

5 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

You'll get pretty slim gaming performances for 10EUR but 4 cores less ...

I mean, sure? But no? It actually comes down to what games the OP plays.

 

If I were considering a 5800X3D or 5900X, purely for gaming, I would get a 5800X3D, especially at the same price.

[PDifolco]

5 minutes ago, Sarra said:

I mean, sure? But no? It actually comes down to what games the OP plays.

 

If I were considering a 5800X3D or 5900X, purely for gaming, I would get a 5800X3D, especially at the same price.

Yes that's what I said, depends on game

But seems for most games at 1440 they're tied (and I'd say the 5900X can be OCed a bit more not the 5800X3D..)

 

 

[Sarra]

5 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

But seems for most games at 1440 they're tied (and I'd say the 5900X can be OCed a bit more not the 5800X3D..)

Yeah... But, I have a 5950X, and I would prefer to have fewer cores for gaming. I've considered turning HT off, and have in the past, but I see no performance difference in games, so I generally just leave it on. My CPU certainly can't be OCed anymore, and the 5800X3D cannot be OCed at all, either. Mine can't OC due to VRM limits on my board.

[PDifolco]

20 minutes ago, Sarra said:

Yeah... But, I have a 5950X, and I would prefer to have fewer cores for gaming. I've considered turning HT off, and have in the past, but I see no performance difference in games, so I generally just leave it on. My CPU certainly can't be OCed anymore, and the 5800X3D cannot be OCed at all, either. Mine can't OC due to VRM limits on my board.

What board do you have ? Even a sub $200 B660 has enough VRM for OCing a 5950X, esp. in gaming where all CPUs need 100W no more

 

[Sarra]

21 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

What board do you have ? Even a sub $200 B660 has enough VRM for OCing a 5950X, esp. in gaming where all CPUs need 100W no more

 

ASrock X570M Pro4. VRM's are rated for the same power draw as the 5950X with PBO enabled.

 

Probably fine for gaming, but when I do render projects, I can pull quite a bit of power from the wall for quite a long time.

[PDifolco]

11 minutes ago, Sarra said:

ASrock X570M Pro4. VRM's are rated for the same power draw as the 5950X with PBO enabled.

 

Probably fine for gaming, but when I do render projects, I can pull quite a bit of power from the wall for quite a long time.

Ok sure, a 5950X on full cores load can't OC much anyway unless beig able to drawing 250W+ and generating a ton of heat

Even my 5900X needs 200W to go 4.6 full cores

[Sarra]

Just now, PDifolco said:

Ok sure, a 5950X on full cores load can't OC much anyway unless beig able to drawing 250W+ and generating a ton of heat

Even my 5900X needs 200W to go 4.6 full cores

I can get 5 ghz on 3-4 cores, with the rest at 4.9 ghz until it pulls back to a more stable long term clock, which is usually 4.5 or 4.55 ghz with a few cores lagging at 4.4 ghz.

 

I can get 2-3 cores to sit at 4.9 to 5.0 when gaming, but normally I don't get enough load to keep a core there for long. Everything I play hits my GPU harder than CPU, I normally get 2-4 cores loaded up to 70 or 80%.

 

I've got a Noctua NH-D15 with two fans on it, and it keeps up alright.

 

My current plan is to get a board with better VRM's, and go custom loop watercooling. I gotta shove my 10GBE card in somehow, and unless I WC my GPU, it ain't gonna fit.

[Sepperl999]

30 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Ok sure, a 5950X on full cores load can't OC much anyway unless beig able to drawing 250W+ and generating a ton of heat

Even my 5900X needs 200W to go 4.6 full cores

Soo after reading these comments I'm not so sure about ordering the 5800X3D. Could you please also tell me your perspective @PDifolco?

I mean I don't game at 1080p at all...

My main Monitor is 2560x1440 165hz and I also often play on my 3840x2160 120hz TV

[Sepperl999]

29 minutes ago, Sarra said:

I can get 5 ghz on 3-4 cores, with the rest at 4.9 ghz until it pulls back to a more stable long term clock, which is usually 4.5 or 4.55 ghz with a few cores lagging at 4.4 ghz.

 

I can get 2-3 cores to sit at 4.9 to 5.0 when gaming, but normally I don't get enough load to keep a core there for long. Everything I play hits my GPU harder than CPU, I normally get 2-4 cores loaded up to 70 or 80%.

 

I've got a Noctua NH-D15 with two fans on it, and it keeps up alright.

 

My current plan is to get a board with better VRM's, and go custom loop watercooling. I gotta shove my 10GBE card in somehow, and unless I WC my GPU, it ain't gonna fit.

Heyy again @Sarra, so before finalizing my order I looked into this thread and asked myself if I should rlly pick the 5800X3D instead of the 5900x.

I mean I play most of my games on my main Monitor (2560x1440 @165hz) and sometimes some controller games on my TV (3840x2160 @120hz) soo idk if that 3D V-Cashe is worth the extra cores the 5900x has...

[Turbof1]

for gaming and perhaps even lighter productivity work, the extra 4 cores from the 5900x does not bring anything. Most games use load up a single thread, some games are multi-core but I can't really think of a game that reall fully uses 8 cores (which the 5800x3d has), let alone more (12 cores on the 5900x). The only advantage the 5900x really has is the higher boost frequency (300mhz higher).

 

The V-cache on the other hand allows the cpu to have more data accessible at any given time. Now for some games this will result in a big performance boost, in some games there is no difference. Most of the time though, it willd give a benefit lifiting it over the 5900x.

[PDifolco]

20 minutes ago, Sepperl999 said:

Soo after reading these comments I'm not so sure about ordering the 5800X3D. Could you please also tell me your perspective @PDifolco?

I mean I don't game at 1080p at all...

My main Monitor is 2560x1440 165hz and I also often play on my 3840x2160 120hz TV

I'm on a 5900X, mostly gaming, RPGs and TotalWar like stuff, Ultrawide 1440p and a 3080, and at a time wanted to go 5800X3D

Then I saw a ton of reviews benchmarks etc, and what they said was that at 1440p for those kind of games you end up GPU bound and get same gaming perfs on both chips

So at same price the 5900X is same in gaming but better "overall",  higher clock and more cores

Even truer at 4K

Now if you plan to get say a 4090 you won't be GPU bound anymore at 1440p in many games and the 5800X3D will then fare better, it's all about part mix...

[Sepperl999]

10 minutes ago, Turbof1 said:

for gaming and perhaps even lighter productivity work, the extra 4 cores from the 5900x does not bring anything. Most games use load up a single thread, some games are multi-core but I can't really think of a game that reall fully uses 8 cores (which the 5800x3d has), let alone more (12 cores on the 5900x). The only advantage the 5900x really has is the higher boost frequency (300mhz higher).

 

The V-cache on the other hand allows the cpu to have more data accessible at any given time. Now for some games this will result in a big performance boost, in some games there is no difference. Most of the time though, it willd give a benefit lifiting it over the 5900x.

Okay thank you for the summary!

Going to order it now, I'm already hyped haha

[xg32]

Just now, Sepperl999 said:

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if you game first then the 5800x3d is alot faster (even at 4k), if you have productivity tasks that needs the cores then the 5900x would be the better deal. 

[PDifolco]

51 minutes ago, Sarra said:

I can get 5 ghz on 3-4 cores, with the rest at 4.9 ghz until it pulls back to a more stable long term clock, which is usually 4.5 or 4.55 ghz with a few cores lagging at 4.4 ghz.

 

I can get 2-3 cores to sit at 4.9 to 5.0 when gaming, but normally I don't get enough load to keep a core there for long. Everything I play hits my GPU harder than CPU, I normally get 2-4 cores loaded up to 70 or 80%.

 

I've got a Noctua NH-D15 with two fans on it, and it keeps up alright.

 

My current plan is to get a board with better VRM's, and go custom loop watercooling. I gotta shove my 10GBE card in somehow, and unless I WC my GPU, it ain't gonna fit.

Hmm not sure you can get much more out of your chip whatever the cooling

I'm on a 280 loop, have same 3 cores to 5.05GHz max, 3 other at 5GHz rest 4.925 to 4.75, I game at 4.8/4.9 on 2-3 cores, all cores load (Cinebench for example) at 4.2 stock, 4.3 to 4.4 with CO, 4.5 to 4.6 with max PPT 215W, then it hits 85C+ and gains are bad anyway ( +5% CB score for +30% power...)

[Sarra]

15 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Hmm not sure you can get much more out of your chip whatever the cooling

I have thermal headroom left. I usually see 70°C all core outside of rendering, or 80°C with rendering going on. In gaming it sits in the 50-55°C range. :3

 

Though, if I can get a new board, I'm also going to go 240/360 dual rad custom loop for WC. Cooling shouldn't be an issue, though I'll be cooling my CPU and GPU with the loop. I'm going to have to go that way if I'm going to get my 10GBE running. D:

[PDifolco]

36 minutes ago, Sarra said:

I have thermal headroom left. I usually see 70°C all core outside of rendering, or 80°C with rendering going on. In gaming it sits in the 50-55°C range. :3

 

Though, if I can get a new board, I'm also going to go 240/360 dual rad custom loop for WC. Cooling shouldn't be an issue, though I'll be cooling my CPU and GPU with the loop. I'm going to have to go that way if I'm going to get my 10GBE running. D, 

If you see 80C rendering now you may gain 10C with a custom loop, but my point was that you may only see an additional 100 or 200MHz with it, which will reduce your rendering time by 3% while eating an additional 100W...