Is AM4 still worth for new build?

[Chriexpe]

Budget (including currency): $1000

Country: Brazil

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming only

Other details: I already have XPG Core Reactor 850w, Corsair MP600 NVME and 1440p 165hz monitor, btw my current PC is i5 6600k w/ GTX 970 lol

I always see ppl reccomending intel 12th and 13th gen cuz it still might have a gen or two ahead, same with AM5, but what is your opinion? I don't plan to upgrade the CPU neither GPU (and if I do it would be a entirely new build).

My current list is:

5800X3D

B550 Tomahawk

2x16GB 3600MHz CL18 Corsair Dominator Platinum (now I'm pretty sure I went unecessairly OP on this one, considering 3200MHz kit is half the price and is the maximum speed supported by 5800X3D)  

NZXT H7 Flow (for some reason it's double the price of the NZXT H510), I choose this one by looks only, I don't plan using AIO WC nor the bigger space that H7 has compared to H510

Scythe Fuma 2

GPU I didn't added to the budget cuz I'll wait for the RX7000 series, maybe a 7900xt

 

For price perspective sake, both RAM and case have the same price, that is a bit more than half of 5800X3D

 

Should I cheap out on case by getting H510 Flow* and on RAM with a 3200MHz kit? As I wouldn't use a 5900/5950x CPU to bind 1:1 on higher clocks

 

[dizmo]

Might think about getting a better case, but yes, AM4 is still perfectly fine, depending on what you're paying for the parts vs newer gen stuff.

[RONOTHAN##]

The thing is, the 13600K is just a better overall CPU compared to the 5800X3D. In games they're about the same speed (13600K is generally a little faster, but they trade blows), the 13600K has much better multi core performance, and the 13600K is usually a little cheaper as well. The 5800X3D is a good chip if you already own an AM4 based rig, but if you don't already own it you really should be going for 13th gen instead. If you price it out and the 13600K is a lot more expensive than the 5800X3D, then that changes stuff a bit, but if they're within a reasonable price range the 13600K just makes more sense. 

11 minutes ago, Chriexpe said:

Should I cheap out on case by getting H510 and on RAM with a 3200MHz kit?

Case no (at least not the H510, going for a cheaper case is a good idea just not for a closed off case like the H510), the RAM absolutely since the 5800X3D doesn't care about RAM speed at all, and realistically with the 13600K you should either be going for the cheapest 3200MT/s CL16 you can find or going for DDR5, the in between speeds don't make much sense. 

[Chriexpe]

26 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Might think about getting a better case, but yes, AM4 is still perfectly fine, depending on what you're paying for the parts vs newer gen stuff.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that it is a H510 Flow

23 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The thing is, the 13600K is just a better overall CPU compared to the 5800X3D. In games they're about the same speed (13600K is generally a little faster, but they trade blows), the 13600K has much better multi core performance, and the 13600K is usually a little cheaper as well. The 5800X3D is a good chip if you already own an AM4 based rig, but if you don't already own it you really should be going for 13th gen instead. If you price it out and the 13600K is a lot more expensive than the 5800X3D, then that changes stuff a bit, but if they're within a reasonable price range the 13600K just makes more sense. 

Case no (at least not the H510, going for a cheaper case is a good idea just not for a closed off case like the H510), the RAM absolutely since the 5800X3D doesn't care about RAM speed at all, and realistically with the 13600K you should either be going for the cheapest 3200MT/s CL16 you can find or going for DDR5, the in between speeds don't make much sense. 

Agreed, I confess I didn't gave Intel much attention but looking at it again it really seems superior to AMD, at least on this price range.

About the case I meant H510 Flow, for some reason I didn't clarified it, but yeah if I go with Intel perhaps it's better going with DDR5 aswell, kinda the same price range as the current RAM that I choosed.

But one thing that confuses me is motherboard naming with intel, do you have any reccomendation? I'll use only one NVME anyway

[RONOTHAN##]

32 minutes ago, Chriexpe said:

About the case I meant H510 Flow, for some reason I didn't clarified it

Yeah, the H510 Flow is a solid option, if you don't need the bigger size that's the better option. 

 

32 minutes ago, Chriexpe said:

But one thing that confuses me is motherboard naming with intel, do you have any reccomendation? I'll use only one NVME anyway

The Z690-A Pro is my usual recommendation for a motherboard, but given you're from Brazil I know the part availability is much different than over here in the US, so it's hard to give an accurate recommendation for a board (a board I usually avoid recommending because it's really expensive might be pretty cheap over there). Do you have a store front link you can provide that would help me understand how pricing runs over there? I know a lot of good boards and knowing how much each of them are would help determine what would be the best pick. 

[Chriexpe]

43 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

 Do you have a store front link you can provide that would help me understand how pricing runs over there? I know a lot of good boards and knowing how much each of them are would help determine what would be the best pick. 

I generally use https://www.kabum.com.br, unfortunately it is more expensive than in US, but I wouldn't bother importing it, I gave a look both at Newegg and on Paraguay (it tends to be considerably cheaper than here) and both have similar prices.

[RONOTHAN##]

5 minutes ago, Chriexpe said:

I generally use https://www.kabum.com.br, unfortanetly it is more expensive than in US, but I wouldn't bother importing it, I gave a look at newegg (but there might be better stores) and prices there are way cheaper, the only downside is warranty (but many people here actually buy ryzen from Aliexpress anyway).

Browsing from that one store, the one DDR5 board that makes price sense is this:

https://www.kabum.com.br/produto/319043/placa-mae-gigabyte-b660m-aorus-pro-ax-intel-lga1700-micro-atx-ddr5-wi-fi-bluetooth-rev-1-x-

It's not great, the memory support is not gonna be great (6000MT/s is likely the highest frequency you'll get), but it'll get the job done, and it's the cheapest DDR5 board you can find.

 

Every other one I found is basically double the price. If you want to go Z690/Z790 to overclock the chip (the 13600K does have a fair bit of overclocking headroom in it if you want), the Z790 Aorus Elite should be a good option, but again it's really expensive.

https://www.kabum.com.br/produto/395135/placa-mae-z790-aorus-elite-lga-1700-atx-ddr5-pcie-5-0

 

If you're gonna buy from the US and import, this is your best option:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145420?Item=N82E16813145420&quicklink=true

This is also the cheapest option out of all of them, though don't know how much hassle/expense importing from the US is so don't know if it's worth saving the money to use the Z790 UD AC.

[Chriexpe]

16 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

If you're gonna buy from the US and import, this is your best option:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145420?Item=N82E16813145420&quicklink=true

This is also the cheapest option out of all of them, though don't know how much hassle/expense importing from the US is so don't know if it's worth saving the money to use the Z790 UD AC.

Thanks for the reccomendations! This Z790 UD is very recent right? I've seen in other reviews only Z690 like Gaming X from Gigabyte and Extreme from ASRock being cited as "the best" on this price range.

Just one detail that I missed, these new AMD CPU supports SAM, and as I'll probably get one of the new rx7000 Radeon, shouldn't I combo with 7700x (or 7600x and later one rummored X3D)? Well, their launch is next week, better wait for reviews on how much it affects performance.

Btw I guess I'll probably end up importing all the PC parts lol

[RONOTHAN##]

19 minutes ago, Chriexpe said:

This Z790 UD is very recent right?

Very recent. It was released less than a month ago. There aren't any reviews I've seen of it specifically, but the feature set looks good, and because of how Gigabyte does their motherboards (more or less design 2-3 motherboards and then add/remove VRM phases and features to get their entire 10+ board lineups, using basically the same PCB and BIOS throughout), it should just be a Z790 Aorus Elite with a slightly worse VRM and a slightly different PCIe layout, everything else should (in theory) be the same, and the Z790 Elite is pretty well reviewed from what I've seen. 

 

19 minutes ago, Chriexpe said:

Just one detail that I missed, these new AMD CPU supports SAM, and as I'll probably get one of the new rx7000 Radeon, shouldn't I get 7700x (or 7600x and later one rummored X3D) too?

SAM is just AMD branded Resizeable BAR, a feature that Intel platforms also support. If you put an AMD card in an Intel rig and make sure ReBAR is enabled, it will say that SAM has been turned on inside Wattman.