5800X3D stock 2700X cooler - will it be enough? Edit: It wasn't - propose good AIO, please.

[QuantumSingularity]

k guys, finally managed to snipe down a great deal on that notorious CPU and i'm currently running a 5600X with my stock Wraith Prism LED cooler from my old 2700X. It manages to keep it under 65°C under full load, so i was wondering if it will be capable to cool down the 5800X3D as well or i should go for NH15 or some kind of LQ while there are still good offers? No further OC will be done than enabling Precision Boost (i don't think it will need it) and my room is constantly AC-ed at 21°C throughout the whole year. Also currently running B450 (B450M Steel Legend) mobo, is there any point to upgrade to B550 performance-wise? I will get that at some point because of the additional PCI-e slots, but no planning it for this year, unless of course the B550 can bring some extra performance to the table.

[jaslion]

Simply put no a stock cooler doesnt handle a 5800x3d. Doesnt mean you need to go from 0 to 100 in coolers either.

 

Just get like a ak620 or sycthe fuma 2. Those are 60$ coolers and basically as good as the noctua

[Ottoman420]

I mean it will work till you get something better, you can run it a few days,weeks and decide if you are comfortable with the temps

 

No point upgradng motherboard as long as your board is supported for the 5800x3d, b550 has a pcie 4.0 m.2 slot thats about it.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

9 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

k guys, finally managed to snipe down a great deal on that notorious CPU and i'm currently running a 5600X with my stock Wraith Prism LED cooler from my old 2700X. It manages to keep it under 65°C under full load, so i was wondering if it will be capable to cool down the 5800X3D as well or i should go for NH15 or some kind of LQ while there are still good offers? No further OC will be done than enabling Precision Boost (i don't think it will need it) and my room is constantly AC-ed at 21°C throughout the whole year. Also currently running B450 (B450M Steel Legend) mobo, is there any point to upgrade to B550 performance-wise? I will get that at some point because of the additional PCI-e slots, but no planning it for this year, unless of course the B550 can bring some extra performance to the table.

Your MOBO is fine, I would throw a Deepcool AK620 on there though

[podkall]

According to AMD these processors have same TDP, you can always buy a better cooler if the stock isn't enough to keep it in the safe zone when utilised.

[YoungBlade]

The 2700X actually tends to draw more power than the 5800X3D, so if you were okay with your thermals using it with the 2700X, then it should be alright for the 5800X3D. You can always try it out and then upgrade the cooler later if you don't like the thermals.

[freeagent]

It might be a bit too spicy for it but might as well try.

[GuiltySpark_]

I ran my standard 5800x on the 2700x's stock Wraith Max and while it wasn't great from a noise perspective, it was fine for the weekend I was using it temporarily. 

 

You will want to find something more permanent. 

[QuantumSingularity]

Well got the idea for the mobo, but i'm actually sad i have to let that beautiful Prism go. It served me so well over the years. And not that i wanna go balls to the wall with the cooling, but some local dealers currently have Black Friday offers and stuff like 360mm Arctic Freezer II can be found for around €70. No point then of saving 10-20 bucks to get an air cooler

[QuantumSingularity]

Ok update guys, the stock Wraith cooler gets a bit overwhelmed when the CPU is under full load (cinebench r23) and gets to 90C in 10 seconds then it just holds the boost to 4.2GHz. In games like ACC and Cyberpunk it doesn't exceed 65°C but i'd like it to be a bit less toasty under full load. So what is the best AIO i could get for it, up to 280mm?

[Mark Kaine]

i don't know that seems to be going from one extreme to another 

 

my noctua U12S is doing a p good job, 85C max during cb... *no downclocking* otherwise it seems to be pretty on par with my 3600, which was a bit hot headed (thanks to pbo...)

 

 

On 11/18/2022 at 5:39 PM, QuantumSingularity said:

No further OC will be done than enabling Precision Boost

pbo doesn't really work on the 3D? if it does, you probably should update your BIOS...

 

was like that for me, old bios let me turn on pbo... but did nothing... new bios doesn't even have pbo (greyed out) same performance as old bios though. 

 

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On 11/18/2022 at 6:04 PM, QuantumSingularity said:

some local dealers currently have Black Friday offers and stuff like 360mm Arctic Freezer II can be found for around €70. No point then of saving 10-20 bucks to get an air cooler

didn't see this... seems like a good deal then?

[TheDankKoosh]

7 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Ok update guys, the stock Wraith cooler gets a bit overwhelmed when the CPU is under full load (cinebench r23) and gets to 90C in 10 seconds then it just holds the boost to 4.2GHz. In games like ACC and Cyberpunk it doesn't exceed 65°C but i'd like it to be a bit less toasty under full load. So what is the best AIO i could get for it, up to 280mm?

You could just as well set an undervolt for your cpu if you don't like the high load temps, you could probably shave off 10c and be at acceptable load temps for $0 with a simple ~-50mv offset

[WoodenMarker]

12 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

the stock Wraith cooler gets a bit overwhelmed when the CPU is under full load (cinebench r23) and gets to 90C in 10 seconds then it just holds the boost to 4.2GHz. In games like ACC and Cyberpunk it doesn't exceed 65°C but i'd like it to be a bit less toasty under full load. So what is the best AIO i could get for it, up to 280mm?

90c is a typical load temp. The cpu is designed to keep boosting until it hits 90c and would throttle if temps are too high. 65c is very respectable for gaming if that's what the system is mainly used for.

For an all core load, 4.2ghz isn't that far off from the usual 4.3 - 4.4ghz most people seem to get with beefy cooler like a 280mm / 360mm AIO. Undervolting would probably get you most of the way there and a more powerful cooler wouldn't have much of a practical benefit outside of lowering noise and slightly more performance.

[QuantumSingularity]

Thanks everyone. I was just about to pull the trigger on a Noctua U12S, but saw EVGA CLC 280 RGB for €80 at a local tech market and went for it. It will arrive tomorrow and will post feedback.

And yes, after i updated the BIOS to the official from AsRock which supports this CPU, PBO is now unavailable. The FPS though...They are basically 25%-50% higher. I still can't wrap my mind how is this possible when even with the 5600X the poor GTX was under 99%-100% utilization all the time.

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, QuantumSingularity said:

I still can't wrap my mind how is this possible

Faster CPU = better performance.