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I'm not seeing the 7900x/7600x trouncing the 5800x3D, what am I missing?

Review after review, youtube after yoube... I'm trying to support my desire for the new AM5 builds.  I'd love to have a nice shiny 7900x + 6900xt setup.  I can't convince myself that, for gaming, the 7900x is better than the 5800x3d,  It trades blows, and oftentimes the 5800x3d  beats it at 1440p (I use a 1440p UW which I'll keep).

 

You all mention things about IPC, this and that, where I don't know much so what is it about the 7900x (or 7600x) and AM5 that make it viable for gaming right now over a nice 5800x3d setup?  

 

Just curious what I am overlooking.

TBD - AMD Ryzen 7 7700x - MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio - Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro AX - G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 32GB - Samsung 980 1TB x4 - Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 - ON THE WAY: EK-AIO 360 Basic and ThermalTake Core P3.  Looking forward to building week of Dec 5th.

 

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Raven:  Intel i3 10100F - ASRock H410M-HDV - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2666Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Inland 256GB SSD + Toshiba 2TB HDD - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Spectre 24" 

 

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It doesn't. The cache on the 5800X3D is just too darn important for performance in games that it just doesn't make sense to go for an AM5 system for gaming unless you need the multicore performance of the Ryzen 9s. 

 

If you are a gamer and want to go Ryzen 7000, wait for January when the 7800X3D will be announced and go for that, else just go 5800X3D.

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Nothing really except being on a new platform. The 3d cache is too good of a move from amd and makes the cpu so much better for gaming. 7000 series will be faster for productivity tho.

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It’s only good for games and power efficiency.

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Zen4 don't even really beats a 12600k in gaming, their niche is on productivity (7950X)

System : AMD R9 5900X / X570 AORUS PRO/ 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600CL18 / RTX3080 Gigabyte EAGLE GPU/ Phanteks P600S case / Customized Watercooling Eisbaer 280mm + Eiswolf2 360mm + VPP755 pump  and 150mm reservoir0.5TB Sabrent Rocket + 2TB WD SN850 NVme Gen4 + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD drives/ Corsair RM850x PSU/ 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p Alienware AW3420DW monitor / Logitech G915TKL keyboard (wireless) / Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse

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Microcenter has the 5800x3d for $379 now, or $359 with motherboard deal.

 

Thanks all, pretty made up mind at this point.

TBD - AMD Ryzen 7 7700x - MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio - Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro AX - G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 32GB - Samsung 980 1TB x4 - Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 - ON THE WAY: EK-AIO 360 Basic and ThermalTake Core P3.  Looking forward to building week of Dec 5th.

 

Emma : i9 9900K 5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200Mhz - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID 0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz - Mackie CR5BT - Corsair Virtuoso SE - Logitech G910, G502 - Cooler Master Universal Graphics Card Holder

 

Plex : Ryzen 5 1600 - Gigabyte B450M-DS3H - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - 840 EVO 256GB + Toshiba P300 3TB - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi - Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 500 - Antec Nine Hundred - Samsung 27" + Dell 24" 

 

Raven:  Intel i3 10100F - ASRock H410M-HDV - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2666Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Inland 256GB SSD + Toshiba 2TB HDD - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Spectre 24" 

 

Other Tech:

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 - i7 7700HQ, 16GB 2400 MHz RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

 

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It’s super smooth 🙂

 

My 5900X sits on the shelf 😞

R7 5800X3D | Thermalright PA120SE White | NF-F12 3K
Asus Strix B550-XE | 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3866C15
EVGA RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra | WD SN850, SN750
EVGA 750w G+ | Fractal Torrent Compact | NF-A14 3K

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1 minute ago, freeagent said:

It’s super smooth 🙂

 

My 5900X sits on the shelf 😞

Yeah, saw your sig and that's approximately what I am looking at.  I'll do the New Builds posting soon.

 

 

TBD - AMD Ryzen 7 7700x - MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio - Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro AX - G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 32GB - Samsung 980 1TB x4 - Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 - ON THE WAY: EK-AIO 360 Basic and ThermalTake Core P3.  Looking forward to building week of Dec 5th.

 

Emma : i9 9900K 5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200Mhz - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID 0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz - Mackie CR5BT - Corsair Virtuoso SE - Logitech G910, G502 - Cooler Master Universal Graphics Card Holder

 

Plex : Ryzen 5 1600 - Gigabyte B450M-DS3H - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - 840 EVO 256GB + Toshiba P300 3TB - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi - Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 500 - Antec Nine Hundred - Samsung 27" + Dell 24" 

 

Raven:  Intel i3 10100F - ASRock H410M-HDV - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2666Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Inland 256GB SSD + Toshiba 2TB HDD - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Spectre 24" 

 

Other Tech:

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 - i7 7700HQ, 16GB 2400 MHz RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

 

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1 hour ago, freeagent said:

It’s super smooth 🙂

 

My 5900X sits on the shelf 😞

Mmm got a 5900X, saw the 5800X3D don't really have better game performance at 1440p (and I'm on ultrawide), what's your experience ?

System : AMD R9 5900X / X570 AORUS PRO/ 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600CL18 / RTX3080 Gigabyte EAGLE GPU/ Phanteks P600S case / Customized Watercooling Eisbaer 280mm + Eiswolf2 360mm + VPP755 pump  and 150mm reservoir0.5TB Sabrent Rocket + 2TB WD SN850 NVme Gen4 + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD drives/ Corsair RM850x PSU/ 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p Alienware AW3420DW monitor / Logitech G915TKL keyboard (wireless) / Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse

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1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

Mmm got a 5900X, saw the 5800X3D don't really have better game performance at 1440p (and I'm on ultrawide), what's your experience ?

Most games for me are smoother, system is quieter, daily performance is down. I was using the full 5150 boost from 5900X. My power settings were 235/160/190. My chip has a slightly better imc than my 5900X. I needed a third chip for another build, not sure I will be keeping X3D as my daily..

 

Oh, I was playing at 3840x2160.. I recently dropped down to 2160x1440.. kinda wished I would have tried that resolution with my 5900X. Either way, I have only one fan on my cooler right now, and just the two stock Fractal 180s that came with my case installed right now. It is quiet and only uses ~450w at the wall when gaming.  When running F@H on my 5900X and GPU with the system boosting it would do 650w at the wall and was loud AF due to iPPC fans.

R7 5800X3D | Thermalright PA120SE White | NF-F12 3K
Asus Strix B550-XE | 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3866C15
EVGA RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra | WD SN850, SN750
EVGA 750w G+ | Fractal Torrent Compact | NF-A14 3K

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3 hours ago, freeagent said:

Most games for me are smoother, system is quieter, daily performance is down. I was using the full 5150 boost from 5900X. My power settings were 235/160/190. My chip has a slightly better imc than my 5900X. I needed a third chip for another build, not sure I will be keeping X3D as my daily..

 

Oh, I was playing at 3840x2160.. I recently dropped down to 2160x1440.. kinda wished I would have tried that resolution with my 5900X. Either way, I have only one fan on my cooler right now, and just the two stock Fractal 180s that came with my case installed right now. It is quiet and only uses ~450w at the wall when gaming.  When running F@H on my 5900X and GPU with the system boosting it would do 650w at the wall and was loud AF due to iPPC fans.

Makes it sound like the 5900X is about equivalent to the X3D then?  Prices are near the same too.

 

 

 

TBD - AMD Ryzen 7 7700x - MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio - Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro AX - G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 32GB - Samsung 980 1TB x4 - Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 - ON THE WAY: EK-AIO 360 Basic and ThermalTake Core P3.  Looking forward to building week of Dec 5th.

 

Emma : i9 9900K 5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200Mhz - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID 0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz - Mackie CR5BT - Corsair Virtuoso SE - Logitech G910, G502 - Cooler Master Universal Graphics Card Holder

 

Plex : Ryzen 5 1600 - Gigabyte B450M-DS3H - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - 840 EVO 256GB + Toshiba P300 3TB - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi - Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 500 - Antec Nine Hundred - Samsung 27" + Dell 24" 

 

Raven:  Intel i3 10100F - ASRock H410M-HDV - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2666Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Inland 256GB SSD + Toshiba 2TB HDD - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Spectre 24" 

 

Other Tech:

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 - i7 7700HQ, 16GB 2400 MHz RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

 

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I bought mine a couple of weeks ago and it was about 60 bucks more than a 5900X. To me it feels smoother than a 5900X for most of the games that I have installed. If you don't stare at benchmarks its fine, but my 5900X tune was pretty strong 😄

 

If you play a lot of games, its pretty good.. but if you stare at a lot of benchmarks like I do.. then it takes some getting used to. I have a fresh install of windows and it feels better than it did earlier. But if you have a 5900X you know how strong it is, especially when you can get it to boost in ST and MT. The single CCD is with big cache is good. No overclocking is a kick in the nuts though, Feels like a Dell, but more expensive.

 

My 5600X is pretty good too. It is stable at 2K 1:1 and all cores boost to 4850.

R7 5800X3D | Thermalright PA120SE White | NF-F12 3K
Asus Strix B550-XE | 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3866C15
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7 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I bought mine a couple of weeks ago and it was about 60 bucks more than a 5900X. To me it feels smoother than a 5900X for most of the games that I have installed. If you don't stare at benchmarks its fine, but my 5900X tune was pretty strong 😄

 

If you play a lot of games, its pretty good.. but if you stare at a lot of benchmarks like I do.. then it takes some getting used to. I have a fresh install of windows and it feels better than it did earlier. But if you have a 5900X you know how strong it is, especially when you can get it to boost in ST and MT. The single CCD is with big cache is good. No overclocking is a kick in the nuts though, Feels like a Dell, but more expensive.

 

My 5600X is pretty good too. It is stable at 2K 1:1 and all cores boost to 4850.

Interesting.  SO we're hitting that wall for CPU's where we all bunch up.  I'm concerned that it won't be a big enough increase over the 9900K 5.1GHz OC. 

 

If need be, I can drop the 6900xt in my current rig and build my kid something like an intel 12400F system with my old 1080Ti.  I was planning on giving him the entire 9900K/1080Ti system but now I'm not sure.

 

 

TBD - AMD Ryzen 7 7700x - MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio - Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro AX - G. Skill Flare X5 DDR5-6000 32GB - Samsung 980 1TB x4 - Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 - ON THE WAY: EK-AIO 360 Basic and ThermalTake Core P3.  Looking forward to building week of Dec 5th.

 

Emma : i9 9900K 5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200Mhz - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID 0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz - Mackie CR5BT - Corsair Virtuoso SE - Logitech G910, G502 - Cooler Master Universal Graphics Card Holder

 

Plex : Ryzen 5 1600 - Gigabyte B450M-DS3H - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - 840 EVO 256GB + Toshiba P300 3TB - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi - Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 500 - Antec Nine Hundred - Samsung 27" + Dell 24" 

 

Raven:  Intel i3 10100F - ASRock H410M-HDV - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2666Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Inland 256GB SSD + Toshiba 2TB HDD - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Spectre 24" 

 

Other Tech:

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 - i7 7700HQ, 16GB 2400 MHz RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

 

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Well, my 5900X boosting to 5150 running Pi 32M is faster than a 6GHz 8700K fwiw. Fast as fuck 🙂

 

Ill drop it in tomorrow and see which I prefer..

R7 5800X3D | Thermalright PA120SE White | NF-F12 3K
Asus Strix B550-XE | 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3866C15
EVGA RTX 3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra | WD SN850, SN750
EVGA 750w G+ | Fractal Torrent Compact | NF-A14 3K

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6 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Makes it sound like the 5900X is about equivalent to the X3D then?  Prices are near the same too.

 

 

 

5900x has 12 cores to 8 on the 5800x3d, and clocks higher... So it's better in everything except the CPU cache which is much larger so it tends to be faster in games, but improvement depends on the game

This being true at 1080p but above you're often GPU bound and then won't see much gains

 

System : AMD R9 5900X / X570 AORUS PRO/ 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600CL18 / RTX3080 Gigabyte EAGLE GPU/ Phanteks P600S case / Customized Watercooling Eisbaer 280mm + Eiswolf2 360mm + VPP755 pump  and 150mm reservoir0.5TB Sabrent Rocket + 2TB WD SN850 NVme Gen4 + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD drives/ Corsair RM850x PSU/ 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p Alienware AW3420DW monitor / Logitech G915TKL keyboard (wireless) / Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse

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