Intel's Discrete Graphics Cards, A770 and A750 - Reviews are out!

[mr moose]

I hope this is successful, not for any reason other than we need more competition or else Nvidia will just keep charging top dollar and AMD will follow suit.

 

 

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Note that I don't do content creation and I don't stream, so I'm not aware of any issues in that regard. I've had to reinstall the 3060 Laptop drivers more than any driver I've had so far, so not a great experience with Nvidia this time around.

Same boat here, 6800 XT and don't actively use any of the extra features that benefit choosing Nvidia. I've tried them out on both just to see but I have no intention of actually using them long term.

 

But it's also not like I had driver issues with my 290X (in crossfire), or my 6970, or my 4850 (plus older not worth mentioning). I managed to avoid all of the generation that had issues or I wasn't trying to do anything like Eyefinity etc that had tons of problems.

 

Right now the most annoying thing I have is the two RTX 3060 Ti's in my system with the 6800 XT, the Nvidia drivers keep causing BSOD lol. To be clear that's down to the OC setting and switching between having them applied and not applied but still, not the best experience. Not an issue with just the two RTX 3060 Ti's in the system, only when using both brands at the same time. 

[YamiYukiSenpai]

I’m really curious to know if using DXVK will help improve the performance of Arc GPUs. 
 

Hope we get a video about it.

[Commodus]

13 hours ago, dizmo said:

I'm skeptical. If it's a game that runs on older DX versions it absolutely tanks performance, though I suppose it depends if you're playing at 1440p, or 1080p, with the former being far more noticeable as it drops into intolerable territory.

 

I don't really agree with the view of people buying GPUs for the future. Perhaps if they're very new to gaming this would be the case, but anyone who's been in the hobby for a while has an extensive library going back years with games we still like to play.

I don't think you quite get what I mean. If an older game already runs so well that the frame rate difference is unnoticeable, you're not really losing anything. And if you're buying a card like the Arc 7 series, the odds are that you're coming from a GPU old and modest enough that you'll still see a frame rate gain.

 

When I talk about buying a GPU for the future, I mean to keep up with performance expectations. You don't buy a ~$300 dedicated video card because you want a bump in performance for games that were already running smoothly; you buy it because you want something that will keep pace with the latest releases, at least for a while. Otherwise, you wouldn't need to upgrade!

[pas008]

19 hours ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

I remember linus saying somewhere that he tested it or something and it's much better. I think it was a WAN show. Obviously we won't know until November 3rd for sure one way or another. I hope RDNA 3 blows Nvidias socks off. Especially considering it has Displayport 2.0 and Nvidia does not. Also it is rumored to use a PCIE5 interface. I am waiting for 3nm gpus regardless as I have a 3080. 3nm is supposed to be a much larger jump than 5nm was FWIW. Zen 5 is looking spicy. Unrelated topic but if you are holding out for Zen 4 3d cache, I would just wait the extra year and a half for Zen 5. Apparently 20-25% IPC on top of 40% better single thread. Zen 4 isn't a brand new architecture remember like zen 3 was. It's just on a smaller node with a new LGA pin layout. Zen 5 is entirely new 

dp2.0 and pcie5.0

please tell me why this makes a difference when both arent even close to being utilized

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

Same boat here, 6800 XT and don't actively use any of the extra features that benefit choosing Nvidia. I've tried them out on both just to see but I have no intention of actually using them long term.

 

But it's also not like I had driver issues with my 290X (in crossfire), or my 6970, or my 4850 (plus older not worth mentioning). I managed to avoid all of the generation that had issues or I wasn't trying to do anything like Eyefinity etc that had tons of problems.

 

Right now the most annoying thing I have is the two RTX 3060 Ti's in my system with the 6800 XT, the Nvidia drivers keep causing BSOD lol. To be clear that's down to the OC setting and switching between having them applied and not applied but still, not the best experience. Not an issue with just the two RTX 3060 Ti's in the system, only when using both brands at the same time. 

Here I was thinking you were still using a 290x like your profile shows 

[leadeater]

14 minutes ago, CHICKSLAYA said:

Here I was thinking you were still using a 290x like your profile shows 

hah update my profile? lol NEVER!

[bramturismo]

7 hours ago, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

You pay for it with hassle down the line.

That's purely based on a personal experience, though. I have always been very happy with my GTX 780, but last year it died without any prior warnings. And there is poor support from Nvidia drivers with older cards.

 

Same goes for cars for example: some people swear by Ford cars. I personally have not had a single good experience with them, which makes it a rubbish manufacturer in my eyes. 

[xAcid9]

5 hours ago, YamiYukiSenpai said:

I’m really curious to know if using DXVK will help improve the performance of Arc GPUs. 
 

Hope we get a video about it.

I'm curious as well but in Phoronix review it still show similar pattern compare to native DirectX so i guess not. 

 

 

[dizmo]

8 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not a huge issue, just kind of reduces their potential userbase, which is definitely a downside when you're judging those cards as products. Especially that these are not high-end cards.

But I'm not sure honestly why the Nvidia or nothing mentality appeared - I've had both, I actually have both right now (6900 XT & RTX 3060 laptop) and I've had problems with both drivers, however since I bought a 6900 XT after ditching my unfulfilled 3080 order in March of last year I've had pretty much no driver issues (actually, many improvements in performance and features were made over that time) and the driver suite actually looks and works much better than the ancient Nvidia Control Panel that hasn't changed since I owned a GTX 660... Note that I don't do content creation and I don't stream, so I'm not aware of any issues in that regard. I've had to reinstall the 3060 Laptop drivers more than any driver I've had so far, so not a great experience with Nvidia this time around. And if you think Intel's drivers will be even remotely as good as Nvidia's or AMD's are right now, you're going to be very disappointed

With regards to new Intel Arc GPUs - their problem is that they try competing on value with Nvidia, and in a vacuum that may make sense, but AMD also competes on value and is in a much better position than Arc even with their now almost 2 years old architecture. As I said a 6650 XT is faster than both a 3060 and the A770, and quite a bit cheaper starting from $299 right now. Intel cannot undercut it without losing money on each A770, so this is where my poor opinion on those products comes from.

Personal experience. I hadn't had an AMD card in ages, so I went with a 6700XT on my current build. I like the card, the software is really nice. The experience, however, was lacking. I'd have crashes in games. There were a couple of games that simply wouldn't run at all for a few weeks. I even had display driver crashes while just browsing the internet. This is with the 6700XT, a 6800XT, and a 5700XT. I then moved back to Nvidia, and had no issues whatsoever. 2080, 2080Ti, 3060Ti. All smooth. I'd love to have an AMD GPU, as they usually offer great value, but from my experience they're just not quiiiite there yet. I'd say with the next gen they should have everything ironed out, but going to a new architecture I imagine it'll be at least a year until the growing pains are ironed out.

 

I don't, but I'm also only going to be playing maybe two titles, one of which they seem to be investing a lot into (CoD MW2), and the other doesn't really require much (Hearthstone)

 

Yeah, I think they'll have at least a generation if not two before they can really catch up. Luckily Intel has deep pockets and can run these at a loss as they try to catch up. By the teardown video GamersNexus did, they're certainly not skimping when it comes to BOM costs.

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

I don't think you quite get what I mean. If an older game already runs so well that the frame rate difference is unnoticeable, you're not really losing anything. And if you're buying a card like the Arc 7 series, the odds are that you're coming from a GPU old and modest enough that you'll still see a frame rate gain.

 

When I talk about buying a GPU for the future, I mean to keep up with performance expectations. You don't buy a ~$300 dedicated video card because you want a bump in performance for games that were already running smoothly; you buy it because you want something that will keep pace with the latest releases, at least for a while. Otherwise, you wouldn't need to upgrade!

Some of the older titles tested ran at very, very poor frame rates. So you'd be losing performance.

Perhaps that's how you upgrade, but that's not how everyone buys For example I'll be getting one to replace my 2080Ti.

[PocketNerd]

On 10/5/2022 at 7:08 AM, Commodus said:

I'm with Linus on this one... if you're a tech-savvy person in the market for an RTX 3060-class card (or even 3050), please buy one of these. Intel isn't exactly a counterculture rebel, but the GPU world is desperately in need of competition. I find it amusing how many of the people who rail against Apple's more anti-competitive practices don't flinch at the thought of NVIDIA effectively monopolizing the PC gaming graphics market.

I would... but I have to wait for Linux Kernel 6.0 first

[Commodus]

12 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

I would... but I have to wait for Linux Kernel 6.0 first

Yeah, that part is strange. It's a temporary problem, but a problem nonetheless.

[PocketNerd]

57 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Yeah, that part is strange. It's a temporary problem, but a problem nonetheless.

There's probably a reason but it's above my pay-grade

[X-System]

15 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

I'm curious as well but in Phoronix review it still show similar pattern compare to native DirectX so i guess not. 

 

 

RTX 3070 is faster than RTX 3070 Ti ?

 

Same for RTX 3080 vs RTX 3080 Ti in CS:GO

[LAwLz]

36 minutes ago, X-System said:

RTX 3070 is faster than RTX 3070 Ti ?

 

Same for RTX 3080 vs RTX 3080 Ti in CS:GO

I'd say it's within the margin of error. Don't pay too much attention to it.

[igormp]

Bringing this from the dead just to say that Intel is now better than AMD when it comes to ML:

https://blog.tensorflow.org/2022/10/accelerating-tensorflow-on-intel-data-center-gpu-flex-series.html

 

Still need to wait for proper benchmarks tho, so take this with a grain of salt.

[leadeater]

7 hours ago, igormp said:

Bringing this from the dead just to say that Intel is now better than AMD when it comes to ML:

https://blog.tensorflow.org/2022/10/accelerating-tensorflow-on-intel-data-center-gpu-flex-series.html

 

Still need to wait for proper benchmarks tho, so take this with a grain of salt.

You will probably want to watch this.

 

 

[igormp]

On 10/28/2022 at 9:54 PM, leadeater said:

You will probably want to watch this.

 

 

Sadly no tests whatsoever, and a quick google shows that, even though you can easily install rocm for the mi210 (using the specific distro they required with that specific GPU), the perf is half to 1/3 of an A100 (whereas it should be a bit faster, at least on paper), with most of the common ML workloads straight out just crashing, see this as an example.

 

Not to say that if the only supported gpu is the mi210, which basically no one can get their hands on, this is as good as nothing, whereas I can easily test stuff in any nvidia GPU I have at home then scale the job up to a GPU cluster with many A100s without issues.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, igormp said:

Sadly no tests whatsoever, and a quick google shows that, even though you can easily install rocm for the mi210 (using the specific distro they required with that specific GPU), the perf is half to 1/3 of an A100 (whereas it should be a bit faster, at least on paper), with most of the common ML workloads straight out just crashing, see this as an example.

 

Not to say that if the only supported gpu is the mi210, which basically no one can get their hands on, this is as good as nothing, whereas I can easily test stuff in any nvidia GPU I have at home then scale the job up to a GPU cluster with many A100s without issues.

Darn I was hoping that new version was going to be good. Video was sounding very good.

 

However do note the example you linked is for rocm 5.1 and not 5.3 in the above video which is supposed to be a lot better. There should be new videos coming though so we'll get to see if 5.3 really has improved or not.

[igormp]

8 hours ago, leadeater said:

Darn I was hoping that new version was going to be good. Video was sounding very good.

 

However do note the example you linked is for rocm 5.1 and not 5.3 in the above video which is supposed to be a lot better. There should be new videos coming though so we'll get to see if 5.3 really has improved or not.

After looking at the current issues in their repo, I wouldn't be that hopeful