Gaming/work pc (graphics card already purchased)

[cool1cja]

Hey everyone! I'm looking to build this new pc for myself to upgrade from my 7 yr old laptop.

 

Price: 1100 usd but I could consider going a little over if i need to
Purpose: Gaming and music notation/work. \
Games: Minecraft (would like to be able to mod heavily), Cities skylines, Terraria, GTA, Rocket League.
Monitors: Right now I have a 1080p 60hz monitor, but I plan to get a 1440p 144hz+ to add on
Peripherals: I have a keyboard but if there's a good one for a good price out there I'd love to hear it
OS: Windows 11.

 

I'm upgrading because my laptop is pretty old and its just not keeping up the way I want it to. I also want there to be the opportunity to stream/record clips without worrying about the quality of the video.

 

Just looking to see what you all think and if there's something you would do differently or if you see any savings I can make. Thanks!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crpgKp

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  $174.99
    - I've heard the stock cooler will be fine, but I will probably upgrade down the line

 

Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 AORUS Master DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  $164.99

    - I like the io on this

 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  $53.99

 

Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  $99.99

    - I'm wondering if there's much of a reason to go with this rather than a 980 that frequently on sale for 89.99

 

Video Card(Already bought used): Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  $461.18

 

Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  $89.99

 

Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  $94.99

    - Thoughts on getting 850w? or any other brands that may be cheaper, I'd rather not cheap out on the psu because this will probably be the part that lasts me the longest

 

 

Total: $1140.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

[Queen Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, cool1cja said:

Hey everyone! I'm looking to build this new pc for myself to upgrade from my 7 yr old laptop.

 

Price: 1100 usd but I could consider going a little over if i need to
Purpose: Gaming and music notation/work. \
Games: Minecraft (would like to be able to mod heavily), Cities skylines, Terraria, GTA, Rocket League.
Monitors: Right now I have a 1080p 60hz monitor, but I plan to get a 1440p 144hz+ to add on
Peripherals: I have a keyboard but if there's a good one for a good price out there I'd love to hear it
OS: Windows 11.

 

I'm upgrading because my laptop is pretty old and its just not keeping up the way I want it to. I also want there to be the opportunity to stream/record clips without worrying about the quality of the video.

 

Just looking to see what you all think and if there's something you would do differently or if you see any savings I can make. Thanks!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crpgKp

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  $174.99
    - I've heard the stock cooler will be fine, but I will probably upgrade down the line

 

Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 AORUS Master DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  $164.99

    - I like the io on this

 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  $53.99

 

Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  $99.99

    - I'm wondering if there's much of a reason to go with this rather than a 980 that frequently on sale for 89.99

 

Video Card(Already bought used): Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  $461.18

 

Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  $89.99

 

Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  $94.99

    - Thoughts on getting 850w? or any other brands that may be cheaper, I'd rather not cheap out on the psu because this will probably be the part that lasts me the longest

 

 

Total: $1140.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

You could save a lot by going with a 5600 and a b450 board. The B450 Aorus Wifi II has great I/O and it's only $120.

 

A lot of people have had issues with 3600MHz RAM on Alder Lake, going with 3200 is guaranteed to work and is cheaper, I think the teamgroup gaming 3200MHz kits are like $45 now.

 

PSU prices change every day, but a 750w is plenty for a 5600 or 12400f with a 3070ti.

[cool1cja]

6 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

You could save a lot by going with a 5600 and a b450 board. The B450 Aorus Wifi II has great I/O and it's only $120.

 

A lot of people have had issues with 3600MHz RAM on Alder Lake, going with 3200 is guaranteed to work and is cheaper, I think the teamgroup gaming 3200MHz kits are like $45 now.

 

PSU prices change every day, but a 750w is plenty for a 5600 or 12400f with a 3070ti.

Alright I'll look into those ideas, Thanks for your help!

[GeorgeMKane]

13 hours ago, cool1cja said:

Hey everyone! I'm looking to build this new pc for myself to upgrade from my 7 yr old laptop.

 

Price: 1100 usd but I could consider going a little over if i need to
Purpose: Gaming and music notation/work. \
Games: Minecraft (would like to be able to mod heavily), Cities skylines, Terraria, GTA, Rocket League.
Monitors: Right now I have a 1080p 60hz monitor, but I plan to get a 1440p 144hz+ to add on
Peripherals: I have a keyboard but if there's a good one for a good price out there I'd love to hear it
OS: Windows 11.

 

I'm upgrading because my laptop is pretty old and its just not keeping up the way I want it to. I also want there to be the opportunity to stream/record clips without worrying about the quality of the video.

 

Just looking to see what you all think and if there's something you would do differently or if you see any savings I can make. Thanks!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crpgKp

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  $174.99
    - I've heard the stock cooler will be fine, but I will probably upgrade down the line

 

Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 AORUS Master DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  $164.99

    - I like the io on this

 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  $53.99

 

Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  $99.99

    - I'm wondering if there's much of a reason to go with this rather than a 980 that frequently on sale for 89.99

 

Video Card(Already bought used): Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  $461.18

 

Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  $89.99

 

Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  $94.99

    - Thoughts on getting 850w? or any other brands that may be cheaper, I'd rather not cheap out on the psu because this will probably be the part that lasts me the longest

 

 

Total: $1140.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bTmCqm

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.00 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.70 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  ($461.18) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($105.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
$1149.82

 

Cheaper SSD, solid cpu cooler, and better case.

[Queen Chrysalis]

19 hours ago, cool1cja said:

Alright I'll look into those ideas, Thanks for your help!

No worries, here's what that would look like in a parts list.  I've added an aftermarket cooler that would allow you to OC the 5600 to it's max freq and still be very cool, or be usable in future builds with a higher power CPU.  It's not necessary for this, but it adds $40 ($36 for the non-RGB version) to the cost and looks pretty neat as well.  If you removed it the total price would be about $1020.  You could also get a more basic cooler (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-argb-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb) for about $20 that would bring the total to about $1040, and it'd be plenty of cooling for the 5600 to OC on, but it may be less useful in the future if a new computer or CPU you bought had a higher TDP.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.00 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($44.95 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  ($461.18) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1067.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-05 14:07 EDT-0400

 

You could also still use the 3600MHz RAM with a 5600 and it would be slightly better, but not much.  If you go with the 12400f, you'd definitely still want to go with 3200MHz RAM.  Frankly though, there's no real performance difference between the two CPUs, and the 5600 costs less and has cheaper motherboards of similar quality.

 

Also, didn't notice it earlier, but the 970 EVO plus is really expensive for a 1TB m.2 these days.  it's fine for users that NEED a DRAM cache, but for your use case you won't really notice any difference.  Even if you need a DRAM cache, the MP33 Pro has one and is about $75 instead of the $100 for the 970 EVO plus.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

On 10/4/2022 at 9:37 AM, cool1cja said:

Hey everyone! I'm looking to build this new pc for myself to upgrade from my 7 yr old laptop.

 

Price: 1100 usd but I could consider going a little over if i need to
Purpose: Gaming and music notation/work. \
Games: Minecraft (would like to be able to mod heavily), Cities skylines, Terraria, GTA, Rocket League.
Monitors: Right now I have a 1080p 60hz monitor, but I plan to get a 1440p 144hz+ to add on
Peripherals: I have a keyboard but if there's a good one for a good price out there I'd love to hear it
OS: Windows 11.

 

I'm upgrading because my laptop is pretty old and its just not keeping up the way I want it to. I also want there to be the opportunity to stream/record clips without worrying about the quality of the video.

 

Just looking to see what you all think and if there's something you would do differently or if you see any savings I can make. Thanks!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crpgKp

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  $174.99
    - I've heard the stock cooler will be fine, but I will probably upgrade down the line

 

Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 AORUS Master DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  $164.99

    - I like the io on this

 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  $53.99

 

Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  $99.99

    - I'm wondering if there's much of a reason to go with this rather than a 980 that frequently on sale for 89.99

 

Video Card(Already bought used): Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  $461.18

 

Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  $89.99

 

Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  $94.99

    - Thoughts on getting 850w? or any other brands that may be cheaper, I'd rather not cheap out on the psu because this will probably be the part that lasts me the longest

 

 

Total: $1140.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

 

I agree with everyone above. Get a 5600 instead of 12400f. They have flash sales at newegg where they are $99.99 every so often BTW. They usually sell out in minutes though so you need Discord alerts on. Also, I would recommend getting a motherboard off Amazon Warehouse. They are having a sale on 10/11 and I am fairly certain they will have a flat 20-25% off certain warehouse items (usually there are a ton of motherboards in those sales). I have gotten a b550 tomahawk for $79 using this method. Usually they are brand new MOBOS. In the rare case its broken or something, Amazon's return policy is very good. Amazon warehouse doesn't technically qualify for warranty, but YMMV, sometimes they honor it. Also, as other have said, I would get a better case. Either the Lancool II or the Fractal Pop Air are both cheap and good

[cool1cja]

I'm curious why everyone thinks I should get a different case, is there something I'm missing with the g360a?

[cool1cja]

I didn't know if I should post again in the other forum or just make a new one. This is my updated build after getting some comments!

 

Price: 1100 usd but I could consider going a little over if i need to
Purpose: Gaming and music notation/work, possible streaming/recording
Games: Minecraft (would like to be able to mod heavily), Cities skylines, Terraria, GTA, Rocket League.
Monitors: Right now I have a 1080p 60hz monitor, but I plan to get a 1440p 144hz+ to add on
Peripherals: I have a keyboard but if there's a good one for a good price out there I'd love to hear it
OS: Windows 11.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FzjJqm

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  $159.00
     - seems like the better budget cpu compared to the 12400f.

 

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  $39.90
     - not necessarily needed, but I was planning on getting one eventually, plus it now fits in the budget. I've checked the height, it should fit in the case.

 

Motherboard: ASRock B550 Steel Legend ATX AM4 Motherboard  $139.99
     - I found this board $40 dollars off, is this a good choice of motherboard?. I also think that this should last a while, but I'd have to upgrade the motherboard when I upgrade to ryzen 7000 or go to intel.

 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  $53.99

     - couldn't figure out how to check the clearance with the cooler.

 

Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  $67.98

 

Video Card(Purchased): Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB Video Card  $461.18

 

Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  $89.99
     - I've heard I should get a better case, why is that, am I missing something with this case?

 

Power Supply: Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  $94.99

 

Total: $1107.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 

 

 

[dizmo]

• Do you plan on staying with air cooling? If so, spend a little more on a quality Noctua cooler that can carry with you through multiple builds.
• You'd have to check out reviews, I find GamersNexus has great case shootouts...but scrub through them to find the relevant info, unless you're having trouble sleeping. Phanteks makes so many cases with similar names it's hard to say if it's good, I know some of their cases are excellent for airflow. With a mesh front I'm sure this one is too.
• I probably wouldn't go with a lower tier AsRock board; they refuse to seed them to reviewers and that leaves a sus taste in my mouth.

 

Good deal on the 3070 Ti.

 

 

[RONOTHAN##]

8 minutes ago, cool1cja said:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  $159.00
     - seems like the better budget cpu compared to the 12400f.

Solid choice, the 5600 and 12400F perform nearly identically, so it's just which platform is cheaper. 

 

9 minutes ago, cool1cja said:

Motherboard: ASRock B550 Steel Legend ATX AM4 Motherboard  $139.99
     - I found this board $40 dollars off, is this a good choice of motherboard?. I also think that this should last a while, but I'd have to upgrade the motherboard when I upgrade to ryzen 7000 or go to intel.

It's a very solid board. The only issue with that board is that it doesn't have BIOS flashback, but if you aren't planning on updating the BIOS in a thunderstorm it's not that big a deal. The 5600 has been out for long enough that the board should have a BIOS update for it already and you don't need to have a last gen CPU to update the BIOS, which is the primary reason to get a board with BIOS flashback. 

 

13 minutes ago, cool1cja said:

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  $53.99

     - couldn't figure out how to check the clearance with the cooler.

I've used taller kits with that cooler in smaller cases, it should be fine. You can just raise the fan to make room for the RAM if necessary (the cooler itself doesn't touch the RAM, the fan is what might have clearance problems, but since you can adjust the height of the fan you should be OK. 

 

I would probably get a cheaper RAM kit though, realistically on a 5600 3600MT/s doesn't make that much of a difference compared to 3200MT/s CL16, so might as well save the $10 on that. 

 

15 minutes ago, cool1cja said:

Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  $89.99
     - I've heard I should get a better case, why is that, am I missing something with this case?

The G360A is a solid case for the ~$90 mark, you aren't missing anything with it. There are other cases I'd personally prefer for one reason or another (I'd probably go GT301 because it's $10 less and very similar mechanically), but Phanteks' Eclipse series of cases is extremely easy to build in, affordable, and it's got 3 fans with RGB. If you like the look of it, this is a really solid option. 

 

Overall this is a really well thought out build, aside from the RAM kit it's probably what I'd build myself if I were doing something in this budget. Have fun building it. 

[cool1cja]

10 minutes ago, dizmo said:

• Do you plan on staying with air cooling? If so, spend a little more on a quality Noctua cooler that can carry with you through multiple builds.
• You'd have to check out reviews, I find GamersNexus has great case shootouts...but scrub through them to find the relevant info, unless you're having trouble sleeping. Phanteks makes so many cases with similar names it's hard to say if it's good, I know some of their cases are excellent for airflow. With a mesh front I'm sure this one is too.
• I probably wouldn't go with a lower tier AsRock board; they refuse to seed them to reviewers and that leaves a sus taste in my mouth.

 

Good deal on the 3070 Ti.

 

 

This will probably be the only air cooler I buy, I plan to go water cooling when I upgrade next. 

 

Do you have any boards that you recommend around that price range?

[NF-A12x25]

35 minutes ago, cool1cja said:

     - seems like the better budget cpu compared to the 12400f.

Immediately, yeah- but later on, you might wish you’d gone with 12th gen as it actually has an upgrade path. The only viable upgrade on your platform is a 5800x3d or 5950x, whereas you could go with a 12th gen CPU and upgrade to 13th gen later on, and as a plus you can keep using DDR4 with 12th and 13th gen, whereas if you upgrade to Ryzen 7000 you would need to buy new RAM. (DDR5)

[dizmo]

24 minutes ago, cool1cja said:

This will probably be the only air cooler I buy, I plan to go water cooling when I upgrade next. 

 

Do you have any boards that you recommend around that price range?

Not really, I only research them when I'm building. Hardware Unboxed usually has excellent shootouts where they list the best boards for a given price bracket.

[SansVarnic]

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Reposting topics to update is frowned upon, just update your current topic.

[Queen Chrysalis]

14 hours ago, dizmo said:

• Do you plan on staying with air cooling? If so, spend a little more on a quality Noctua cooler that can carry with you through multiple builds.
• You'd have to check out reviews, I find GamersNexus has great case shootouts...but scrub through them to find the relevant info, unless you're having trouble sleeping. Phanteks makes so many cases with similar names it's hard to say if it's good, I know some of their cases are excellent for airflow. With a mesh front I'm sure this one is too.
• I probably wouldn't go with a lower tier AsRock board; they refuse to seed them to reviewers and that leaves a sus taste in my mouth.

 

Good deal on the 3070 Ti.

 

 

An equivalent noctua is gonna be $100 for a dual rad 120mm.  I can't see any small differences in cooling performance justifying a $60 premium. 

 

Noctua is just a brand tax in 2022, especially when the FUMA 2, AK620, and Peerless Assassin 120 are available. Theoretical 1% gains in cfm or dbs are not worth doubling the proice of something, especially when those things have no real effect on performance and need a meter to be discernable for noise ESPECIALLY when the 'louder' coolers are still inaudible, and a smaller noctua cooler that would be closer in prioce WILL be louder due to the fans having to spin a lot faster. The competition makes good coolers for a lot less.  Save for a few cases of obviously misbuilt products, heatpipes and finstacks are heatpipes and finstacks.  There's a known right way to build them and it doesn't $100 to do so.

14 hours ago, cool1cja said:

This will probably be the only air cooler I buy, I plan to go water cooling when I upgrade next. 

 

Do you have any boards that you recommend around that price range?

I've used a few ASRock baords over the years and never had a problem BUT their warranty is nonexistent.  You're mileage may vary so proceed with a small amount of caution.  But realistically it shouldn't be an issue.  even their basic shit (b450mac) can still OC fine and will do rated XMP settings.  Gigabyte has decent warranty service so I don't see an issue with a the B450 Aorus wifi II.

 

TBH watercooling is more hassle than it's worth, and you pay more for equivalent cooling performance, and the risk of pump failure could mean having to deal with RMA, whereas theirs really nothing to break on an air cooler  Air cooling with a big cooler like any of the 3 i mentioned in my response to that other user will effectively cool any CPU you want at relatively low RPMs.  

[Guest]

15 hours ago, cool1cja said:

I'm curious why everyone thinks I should get a different case, is there something I'm missing with the g360a?

No there is nothing wrong with the g360a. If you like it then stick with it.

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

An equivalent noctua is gonna be $100 for a dual rad 120mm.  I can't see any small differences in cooling performance justifying a $60 premium. 

 

Noctua is just a brand tax in 2022, especially when the FUMA 2, AK620, and Peerless Assassin 120 are available. Theoretical 1% gains in cfm or dbs are not worth doubling the proice of something, especially when those things have no real effect on performance and need a meter to be discernable for noise ESPECIALLY when the 'louder' coolers are still inaudible, and a smaller noctua cooler that would be closer in prioce WILL be louder due to the fans having to spin a lot faster. The competition makes good coolers for a lot less.  Save for a few cases of obviously misbuilt products, heatpipes and finstacks are heatpipes and finstacks.  There's a known right way to build them and it doesn't $100 to do so.

I've used a few ASRock baords over the years and never had a problem BUT their warranty is nonexistent.  You're mileage may vary so proceed with a small amount of caution.  But realistically it shouldn't be an issue.  even their basic shit (b450mac) can still OC fine and will do rated XMP settings.  Gigabyte has decent warranty service so I don't see an issue with a the B450 Aorus wifi II.

 

TBH watercooling is more hassle than it's worth, and you pay more for equivalent cooling performance, and the risk of pump failure could mean having to deal with RMA, whereas theirs really nothing to break on an air cooler  Air cooling with a big cooler like any of the 3 i mentioned in my response to that other user will effectively cool any CPU you want at relatively low RPMs.  

The D14 can often be had for around $80, which IIRC is about $20 more than the other coolers you mentioned. I'm not sure how their mounting kits are, but Noctua's is excellent, and they will offer support as newer sockets come out, usually with free upgrades. I'm not sure if the other companies offer that kind of support. If they do, then absolutely, they're better to go with. If it were me, and I was keeping the cooler over multiple generations, I'd go with Noctua for the slight increase in price.