LTT Official Folding Month V (2022)

[BiotechBen]

6 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

you need to use the advanced control panel. Type fahcontrol into the start menu 

And then how do I tell it how many cores I want to use? 

Also, being able to see the peptide I'm folding is so incredibly cool, literally kid on Christmas rn.

[GOTSpectrum]

2 minutes ago, BiotechBen said:

And then how do I tell it how many cores I want to use? 

Also, being able to see the peptide I'm folding is so incredibly cool, literally kid on Christmas rn.

change this number to the number of cores you want it to use 

[BiotechBen]

4 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

change this number to the number of cores you want it to use 

So in a 6c/12t chip, I want at least one full core for windows and a full core for GPU?

[GOTSpectrum]

2 minutes ago, BiotechBen said:

So in a 6c/12t chip, I want at least one full core for windows and a full core for GPU?

Yes

[BiotechBen]

1 minute ago, BiotechBen said:

So in a 6c/12t chip, I want at least one full core for windows and a full core for GPU?

After doing 4c/8t for dedicated folding my GPU score just went up like 20-25%

[Alex Atkin UK]

I'm sure the last time I was CPU and GPU folding I found that any amount of CPU folding would downgrade the GPU by more than the CPU was producing, and that was on a Ryzen 5950X.

 

That said, if you're actually doing this to help the project then some units are CPU only so they need people doing CPU folding as well as GPU.

[BiotechBen]

9 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I'm sure the last time I was CPU and GPU folding I found that any amount of CPU folding would downgrade the GPU by more than the CPU was producing, and that was on a Ryzen 5950X.

 

That said, if you're actually doing this to help the project then some units are CPU only so they need people doing CPU folding as well as GPU.

Currently sitting around 500k ppd total, and given the number of people I know who have died from not well understood conditions, or were about 10yrs too early for the cure for their cancer: this is also done in their memory.

[rkv_2401]

46 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I'm sure the last time I was CPU and GPU folding I found that any amount of CPU folding would downgrade the GPU by more than the CPU was producing, and that was on a Ryzen 5950X.

 

That said, if you're actually doing this to help the project then some units are CPU only so they need people doing CPU folding as well as GPU.

Yup, we tried this last folding event and it turned out to be better (points-wise) to just do GPU folding on nearly any combination of Windows machines. @Gorgon got a different result with Linux IIRC.

[Stormseeker9]

Unfortunately, I won’t be able to participate this year. Our energy prices have gone crazy. Good luck to all who participate

[Gorgon]

3 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

Yup, we tried this last folding event and it turned out to be better (points-wise) to just do GPU folding on nearly any combination of Windows machines. @Gorgon got a different result with Linux IIRC.

I don't use my CPU threads for F@H but I do use them for BOINC and I notice very little difference on Linux leaving 1-2 threads per system free for the OS with a dedicated thread per GPU for F@H or BOINC GPU use and the remainder for BOINC CPU.

[DreamCat04]

On 10/4/2022 at 1:05 AM, BiotechBen said:

Starting to wonder if my rx480 is going to be more efficient than my old ass electric baseboards... I only need a few C ambient increase with it being a cinderblock building.

 

the rx 480 is a 150 watt card, so you have an additionnal 150 watt space heater, which, depending on the size of your room, could yield a couple °C difference. I'm also wondering if I should join with my 2060, I'm hesitating because I have it in the dell G5 (the jet taking off under load) but on the other hand my heating isn't that good for some reason

[Gorgon]

Though it's dipping down to 1C tonight here the house is at a toasty 24C with the furnace still off for some reason ...

Can you guess when electricity is cheapest here?

 

The above is 10 GPUs F@H @~ 40MPPD and 4 GPUs and 165 threads on BOINC. There's one other system I haven't instrumented yet, the wife's gaming system but thats just a R5 2600x with a GTX 1060 6GB.

[Gorgon]

10 minutes ago, DreamCat04 said:

the rx 480 is a 150 watt card, so you have an additionnal 150 watt space heater, which, depending on the size of your room, could yield a couple °C difference. I'm also wondering if I should join with my 2060, I'm hesitating because I have it in the dell G5 (the jet taking off under load) but on the other hand my heating isn't that good for some reason

@RollinLower I believed has done a fan hack on a HP. Replaced the stock 10,000rpm 4cm fans with Noctuas

[GDRRiley]

5700x and 6700xt should be going hard
maybe I can toss my old 2700x and GTX970 at it for a while

and dorm life no power bill

[Antistatic12]

Looks like its going to be a wet and cooler Spring/Summer for us Aussies on the east coast, so having the extra warmth from folding will be nice.
Past events were a bit of a struggle with the heat.

RTX 3080 arrived yesterday too...

[cbigfoot]

3 hours ago, DreamCat04 said:

the rx 480 is a 150 watt card, so you have an additionnal 150 watt space heater, which, depending on the size of your room, could yield a couple °C difference. I'm also wondering if I should join with my 2060, I'm hesitating because I have it in the dell G5 (the jet taking off under load) but on the other hand my heating isn't that good for some reason

 

3 hours ago, Gorgon said:

@RollinLower I believed has done a fan hack on a HP. Replaced the stock 10,000rpm 4cm fans with Noctuas

i think gorgon meant stock 1k fans...lol but yeah replacing the fans in the G5 desktop with the largest Noctua fans it can take PROPERLY in its slots helps immensely. IIRC it can take a 92MM fan on the rear where Dell includes a 80mm unless you ordered it maxed out also, IF that G5 desktop doesn't have a fan at the front i would get one installed Infront of the GPU to force air out of the Chassis assuming your GPU isnt a Blower style. (for my friends xps 8940 used same chassis i used the splitter that came with the noctua to hook up the old fan on the front Infront of the gpu and then put the noctua in the rear i think i had to have the lead with the 4 wires go to the stock fan to prevent boot fan failure messages but don't quote me on that it may have been the other way around.

 

i also replaced the cpu cooler with a NH-U9S Heatsink had to do some hackery to install it...if interested i can look up what i did later...well off to work...

[DreamCat04]

34 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

i think gorgon meant stock 1k fans...lol

that fan in my dell G5 goes up to 4500RPM at max... I once had a more quiet 92mm fan but that didn't help because it was still clearly audible and my temperatures were much worse so I loosely placed the 80mm 4.5k rpm fan in the front and regulated it externally. Two weeks ago I thought: scrap that, I'll just put the 80mm back because if I already have to use it for good temps, why not always have it. But I found out that I can't get temperature improvements above 65-70% fan speed, so I had the fan max out there. It's so much more quiet at 65% compared to 100%!

[Gorgon]

3 hours ago, cbigfoot said:

 

i think gorgon meant stock 1k fans...lol but yeah replacing the fans in the G5 desktop with the largest Noctua fans it can take PROPERLY in its slots helps immensely. IIRC it can take a 92MM fan on the rear where Dell includes a 80mm unless you ordered it maxed out also, IF that G5 desktop doesn't have a fan at the front i would get one installed Infront of the GPU to force air out of the Chassis assuming your GPU isnt a Blower style. (for my friends xps 8940 used same chassis i used the splitter that came with the noctua to hook up the old fan on the front Infront of the gpu and then put the noctua in the rear i think i had to have the lead with the 4 wires go to the stock fan to prevent boot fan failure messages but don't quote me on that it may have been the other way around.

 

i also replaced the cpu cooler with a NH-U9S Heatsink had to do some hackery to install it...if interested i can look up what i did later...well off to work...

No, I meant 10,000 RPM! but I was thinking about the fan assembly in a HP DL 360 G5 not a Dell G5

But yes, installing a front fan in such a case if it doesn't have one should help immensely. Personally I find higher speed rear fans less annoying as they're usually further away from ones ears. I tend to use 2000rpm Noctua iPPC2000 Fans for Front Intake of systems but iPPC3000s for Rear Exhaust.

 

If that chassis is that airflow constrained I'd likely just resort to running it with the side off for Folding Month.

 

When your ready to replace that system I'd advise avoiding proprietary System Integrators (SIs) such as Dell, HP or Lenovo and just either build it yourself using Off-the-shelf (OTS) parts or find a local mom-n-pop SI to build it for you or a recommended Boutique SI (lots of recommendations here at LTT or at GN)

[Shlouski]

Wondering if upgrading before the event is worth it.

 

Nvidia RTX 4090 launch price: $1,599 USD / £1,679.00 GBP

 

1600 dollar is actually around 1420 pounds sterling, so the Brits get the pleasure of spending an extra 291 dollars. Don't worry my European friends we are not being left out, the dollar and the euro are worth about the same so the cards should start around the 1620 euro mark right?

 

Pccomponentes hidden pages on the website, but can be easily found using google:

 

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 WINDFORCE 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com  1999,90€

ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com  1959,90€

ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com  2429,90€

Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 TRINITY 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   1959,90€

ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2439,90€

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2049,90€

PNY GeForce RTX 4090 XLR8 Gaming VERTO Edition 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   1999,90€

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4090 RTX 4090 ICHILL X3 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2069,90€

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4090 RTX 4090 ICHILL FROSTBITE 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2129,90€

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4090 RTX 4090 ICHILL BLACK 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2199,90€

Inno3D GeForce RTX 4090 X3 OC 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   1959,90€

ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 OC 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2279,89€

Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 TRINITY OC 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   1999,90€

Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO 24GB GDDR6X | PcComponentes.com   2049,90€

 

I would never consider these cards at these prices.

 

Fortunately I don't have to pay Spain's 21% sales tax (IVA) and instead I only have to pay 7% sales tax (igic), a 1960 euro card is about 230 euros cheaper for me, still 1730 euros 

 

If I were to consider buying a card:

 

I wouldn't get a Zotac as its fans will likely die within a few months.

 

I wouldn't spend hundreds more to setup a custom cooling loop just for a small bump in performance, so no to water block cards.

 

I highly doubt that the strix cards are 400 euros worth faster over the 2000 euro models, so no thank you.

 

I wouldn't buy a pny card when I can buy a gigabyte or Inno3d card for the same price.

 

The gigabyte windforce and gaming appear to have similar coolers, so I think they want 50 euros for some led's and a factory overclock.

 

Comparing the asus Tuf models it looks like asus wants 320 euros just for factory oc, so no to the oc model.

 

The Inno3D X3 OC and asus Tuf are the same price, I would definitely go for the asus Tuf.

 

Leaves 3 options:

 

Gigabyte WINDFORCE   1999,90€

ASUS TUF Gaming   1959,90€

Inno3D ICHILL X   2069,90€

 

I think the ASUS TUF Gaming would be the best bet.

 

 

 

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

11 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

Yup, we tried this last folding event and it turned out to be better (points-wise) to just do GPU folding on nearly any combination of Windows machines. @Gorgon got a different result with Linux IIRC.

That sounds about right, I don't think I saw that behaviour on Linux either, something odd with the Windows scheduler presumably.

The 5950X / RTX 3080 is my gaming PC so I've never event booted Linux on that (which is a first tbh) and with F@H running I can run The Crew 2 without any obvious performance issues, so it makes no sense to put Linux on there if I had to reboot constantly.  If only Ubisoft would fix their anti-cheat in Proton.

Next task, install F@H on Steam Deck.....

[Alex Atkin UK]

10 minutes ago, Shlouski said:

Wondering if upgrading before the event is worth it.

 

Nvidia RTX 4090 launch price: $1,599 USD / £1,679.00 GBP

 

1600 dollar is actually around 1420 pounds sterling, so the Brits get the pleasure of spending an extra 291 dollars. Don't worry my European friends we are not being left out, the dollar and the euro are worth about the same so the cards should start around the 1620 euro mark right?

Isn't the US price without sales tax though whereas the GBP is inclusive of VAT?

 

That said, I think the 4080 is the sweet spot given the performance per watt on the 4090 is going to be pretty poor if you run it flat out, plus needing a new PSU is a PITA.

 

I don't get the price premium of the Strix cards, I really wanted those due to being able to have the GPU control the case fans, but absolutely not worth a premium.  I ended up with a Palit 3080 simply because it was the cheapest I could find.

[Shlouski]

4 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Isn't the US price without sales tax though whereas the GBP is inclusive of VAT?

I think you might be right about this.

 

VAT is defiantly included in the price, but I forgot US prices often exclude sales tax.

 

[Frugivore8894]

Even though the last time I folded my GPU fan broke I'm ready to fold!

[Shlouski]

6 minutes ago, Frugivore8894 said:

Even though the last time I folded my GPU fan broke I'm ready to fold!

 

Your not alone.

 

3 zotac cards, all had dead fans.

Evga XC3 with 2 dead fans.

All the fans on my Asus strix card wobble and look like they are about to fly off.

 

I've been zip tying spare Wraith Spire CPU cooler fans to my cards.

[GOTSpectrum]

8 minutes ago, Shlouski said:

I've been zip tying spare Wraith Spire CPU cooler fans to my cards.

Love it