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Intel Arc A770 or RTX 3060?

RetiZ

Hi all,

I'm looking for a budget graphics card for 1440p gaming. I pretty much had my heart set on the RTX 3060 12GB but the Intel Arc A770 has just had it's release date announced and it's price is going to be roughly £30-£50 cheaper than the 3060. From what I can tell, it's specs are better than the 3060 in pretty much everything incl memory bandwidth, L2 cache, clock speed, memory bus, VRAM etc.
It's only let down seems to be performance on games tuned for DX11 or older.

 

What would you do? Be safe and go for the RTX 3060 or take a gamble and go for the new kid on the block in the world of graphics cards?

 

Below is a link to the specs of the A770 16GB version on the Intel website, the card comes out in about a week and should be priced at around £300

 

Intel Arc A770 Graphics 16GB Product Specifications

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Why don't you get a RX6600XT ? Cheaper and faster than a 3060, and drivers are waay better the Intel ones (currently), it works with old DX versions 

 

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7 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Why don't you get a RX6600XT ? Cheaper and faster than a 3060, and drivers are waay better the Intel ones (currently), it works with old DX versions 

 

I've never had an AMD card but I will go look at those specs and compare them now! Thank you for the recommendation 🙂 

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1 minute ago, RetiZ said:

I've never had an AMD card but I will go look at those specs and compare them now! Thank you for the recommendation 🙂 

Good !

noone ever had an Intel card neither 🙂

 

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17 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Good !

noone ever had an Intel card neither 🙂

 

True, but they're new 😄

So looking at the price, the RX6600XT is on par with the RTX3060Ti and because of that I'd compare it to that rather than the 3060.
Some of the specs on the RX aren't as  good and some are better.
The RX has better memory clock & boost clock but worse memory bus, RT cores, TMU count, ROPs count. The memory bandwidth is almost double on the RTX than the AMD RX, the RTX's memory bus is 256 yet the RX is 128.

Looking at relative performance the RX 6600XT performs at 89% of the RTX3060Ti.

Argh this is difficult!! haha. I think I need to go away and look at real world comparisons and performance, but initially it looks like the RX doesn't perform as well as the 3060Ti.
I started comparing the RX to the 3060 until I saw the price was pretty much the same as the Ti version


EDIT: I know officially the prices aren't on par with each other, but they are locally for me for what I can get the cards for from local retailers.

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2 minutes ago, RetiZ said:

True, but they're new 😄

So looking at the price, the RX6600XT is on par with the RTX3060Ti and because of that I'd compare it to that rather than the 3060.
Some of the specs on the RX aren't as  good and some are better.
The RX has better memory clock & boost clock but worse memory bus, RT cores, TMU count, ROPs count. The memory bandwidth is almost double on the RTX than the AMD RX, the RTX's memory bus is 256 yet the RX is 128.

Looking at relative performance the RX 6600XT performs at 89% of the RTX3060Ti.

Argh this is difficult!! haha. I think I need to go away and look at real world comparisons and performance, but initially it looks like the RX doesn't perform as well as the 3060Ti.
I started comparing the RX to the 3060 until I saw the price was pretty much the same as the Ti version

Mmm, where do you live ?

In Europe a 6600XT is 320/350EUR, a 3060 400EUR, and a 3060Ti 500EUR, so while 6600XT performance is comparable to the 3060Ti, price is close to 40% better ... 🙂

 

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I live in UK. I just found an XT for £299 actually which is more in line with the 3060.
But it's also in line with the Intel A770 which out specs the XT, and is rumoured to outperform it.
Intially I was finding the XT for £400. Probably should compare it with the 3060 non-Ti version then.

 

The Intel card is looking really tempting though. My only worry is performance on older games.

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UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6600-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3060

 

This is an interesting review 

GeForce RTX 3060 vs Radeon RX 6600 XT | TechSpot

It ends with: "In a nutshell: the RTX 3060 offers similar rasterization performance, superior ray tracing, DLSS support, a bigger VRAM buffer, and a full PCIe 4.0 x16 connection, making it a better product -- and if available at the same price, the obvious option."

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1 hour ago, RetiZ said:

UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6600-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3060

 

This is an interesting review 

GeForce RTX 3060 vs Radeon RX 6600 XT | TechSpot

It ends with: "In a nutshell: the RTX 3060 offers similar rasterization performance, superior ray tracing, DLSS support, a bigger VRAM buffer, and a full PCIe 4.0 x16 connection, making it a better product -- and if available at the same price, the obvious option."

 

Userbenchmark is entirely discreditable garbage. 

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1 hour ago, Middcore said:

 

Userbenchmark is entirely discreditable garbage. 

Not fully true, but far from a real serious comparison benchmark

Anyway, at the same price the 3060 still has better software, but in rasterisation performance the 6600XT is better, AMD did really make good progress with their drivers and SAM

Then the RT performance is a moot point, as it's not really usable on a 3060 neither

A less disputable comparison here : https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6600-xt.c3774

6600XT beats 3060 by 11%

And lastly the 6600XT is noticeably cheaper...

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1 hour ago, Middcore said:

Userbenchmark is entirely discreditable garbage.

I actually have a valid use for it: Comparing a 5700G TDP rating to, say, a 5600X TDP rating. The "Benchmarks" are garbage, though. Using it to easily compared published specs, though, such as core count, base clocks, TDP, etc., is valid.

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I have a 6600 (non XT) which right now in the US is going for as little as $250 brand new, for similar performance to a 3060 (non Ti) which starts at close to $350. Many of the early reviews were very negative because the original MSRP of $330 wasn't worth it, but now that it's been so heavily discounted it's very compelling. Both cards I would say are more 1080p class but should handle 1440p alright if you turn the settings down.

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I guess the best way is to look at multiple reviews and benchmarks and interpret the data yourself.
I personally wouldn't say that the benchmarks are garbage, but sure should be taken with a pinch of salt and look at more than one to get a more reliable picture of how they perform.

The specs would help too, sure both cards have their pro's and cons when it comes to specs but you need to look at exactly what specs influence real world game play improvements. For example, if one has faster and more VRAM and a higher core frequency, that directly translates to better performance. But of course that also depends on what you're doing with it. No amount of fast VRAM will make a difference on a poorly made game.

 

I also need to ask myself why Nvidia cards are vastly more popular than AMD cards. I've heard a lot of it has to do with AMD's poor marketing.
Which one retains their value as a 2nd hand product too? Which one gives you the freedom to easily overclock? Which one will be supported in the future with driver updates? So many things to consider.

I am going to wait though until the Arc A770 16GB is released and I can see some benchmarks to try to get an idea of how it performs and if there are any known driver issues and crashes etc. You never know, the Intel cards may end up being amazing. Rumour already has it that they're set to outperform both Nvidia and AMD equivalents. 

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Also, the AMD card is PCIe x8. I don't even think my motherboard has a x8. It has three x16 slots... a stupid question that I should probably know... are they backwards compatible? I don't think a x8 will fit in a x16 slot will they?
I was just looking at the possibility of getting two of the AMD cards as they're cheaper and using the AMD crossfire thing and checked the specs of my motherboard to see it has no x8 lol.

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33 minutes ago, RetiZ said:

Also, the AMD card is PCIe x8. I don't even think my motherboard has a x8. It has three x16 slots... a stupid question that I should probably know... are they backwards compatible? I don't think a x8 will fit in a x16 slot will they?
I was just looking at the possibility of getting two of the AMD cards as they're cheaper and using the AMD crossfire thing and checked the specs of my motherboard to see it has no x8 lol.

It's an MSI PRO Z690-A DDR5

Yes. You could cut the end of the slot off, and put it in a 4X or even 1X slot, and it would 'work', just with reduced bandwidth. In a 16X slot, it'll work just fine; It actually won't even fit in an 8X slot unless you cut the back of the slot off, unless it's a 16X slot with 8X signaling (really common for boards that have "2 16X slots" that are a bit older).

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On 9/29/2022 at 7:31 AM, RetiZ said:

I live in UK. I just found an XT for £299 actually which is more in line with the 3060.
But it's also in line with the Intel A770 which out specs the XT, and is rumoured to outperform it.
Intially I was finding the XT for £400. Probably should compare it with the 3060 non-Ti version then.

 

The Intel card is looking really tempting though. My only worry is performance on older games.

Key words, "rumoured" and "my only worry is performance on older games". I would get the 6600XT. No worries about working or not working, the performance is known, and the drivers work properly.

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Intel ARC cards afaik are designed for DX12, and everything below DX12 are somewhat gimped.

I edit my posts more often than not

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1 hour ago, Sarra said:

Yes. You could cut the end of the slot off, and put it in a 4X or even 1X slot, and it would 'work', just with reduced bandwidth. In a 16X slot, it'll work just fine; It actually won't even fit in an 8X slot unless you cut the back of the slot off, unless it's a 16X slot with 8X signaling (really common for boards that have "2 16X slots" that are a bit older).

It's quite a new motherboard, even having gen5 x16.
I don't get why the AMD card isn't PCI x16 though. Why would it go x8 over x16?

I don't want to do any cutting to make something fit though haha

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53 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Key words, "rumoured" and "my only worry is performance on older games". I would get the 6600XT. No worries about working or not working, the performance is known, and the drivers work properly.

The same applies to the 3060 though. I have until the end of the month to make my mind up though which should give me plenty of time to see how the new Intel one performs.

 

What is difficult though is that there are some important parts of the AMD one which is better than the 3060, such as core speed, but there's also some important parts that are better on the 3060, such as VRAM amount and speed. 
From what I gather, the VRAM is more important for 1440p/4k gaming.

I kind of hate getting a new important part for my PC. There's so much to consider and so much research that needs doing lol.

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5 minutes ago, RetiZ said:

It's quite a new motherboard, even having gen5 x16.
I don't get why the AMD card isn't PCI x16 though. Why would it go x8 over x16?

I don't want to do any cutting to make something fit though haha

Cost down, as well as... Well... It wasn't really necessary?

 

I've always recommended the 6700 and 6700XT over the 6600XT and 6600. And stay way far away from the 6600GT.

 

You won't need to do any cutting, it'll fit a 16X slot without modification.

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After doing more research, and unless the new Intel card (I believe it comes out in a few days) is something spectacular and is so good it manages to change my mind, I'll be going for an RTX 3060 Ti. It should keep me going for 1440p gaming.
An RX 6600 XT performs very well at 1080p, but for 1440 I think the 3060 Ti is the way to go.

I found a 3060 Ti for £410 which I don't think is too bad at all.

Thanks everyone for replying to this and for the advice.

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