Ryzen 5800x3D as an upgrade

[Hunlight]

Hello,

 

So recently were looking and planning for my future system upgrade and was looking into switching platform for new 13k intel line up.

 

But then someone mentioned 5800x3d and I went more into it looking as an alternative. cpu looks like a beast. So I wonder if upgrade from 3600 worth it instead of going for intel and would I need a new mobo? I got b550 tomahawk now together with 240mm deep cool AIO  and evga gold 750w psu. Will I need any other upgrades like mobo ? or ram maybe as mines work only on 3200 I could not make them work on higher clocks with all the help from this forum peers. How about cooling etc?

 

Price wise - no used available out here only brand new in shops which is like 510eur~ cheapest I saw. I potentially could sell my 3600 for like 50-80 eur maybe. So new 5800x3d would be aprox 450eur.

 

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Forgot to mention Im gaming on 21:9 3440x1440p resolution, and most test on YT showed very very similar fps vs 12600k or even few fps lower thats where my question appeared form

[Origami Cactus]

If you need a new CPU for gaming and have a fast enough GPU that can take an advantage of the beast, why not?  You don't need to change anything, mobo, cooler, psu etc are all fine. Ram is also fine, because the whole point of the 5800x3D is the massive cache, so it needs to ask ram less frequently, 3200mhz is completely fine.

But if you play at 4k, probably won't notice a difference. Also won't notice a difference if you have a gpu below the 3070.

[Hunlight]

1 minute ago, Origami Cactus said:

If you need a new CPU for gaming and have a fast enough GPU that can take an advantage of the beast, why not?  You don't need to change anything, mobo, cooler, psu etc are all fine. Ram is also fine, because the whole point of the 5800x3D is the massive cache, so it needs to ask ram less frequently, 3200mhz is completely fine.

But if you play at 4k, probably won't notice a difference. Also won't notice a difference if you have a gpu below the 3070.

yeah just edited post Im at 3440x1440p and using 3080 rtx now. I do play few specific games which need higher and stronger single cores (as game have zero optimization for multi core and using 2-4 at most :D) 

[Origami Cactus]

6 minutes ago, Hunlight said:

yeah just edited post Im at 3440x1440p and using 3080 rtx now. I do play few specific games which need higher and stronger single cores (as game have zero optimization for multi core and using 2-4 at most :D) 

If you have enough games that take advantage of it, then yeah go for it.

I got it because of sim and vr games that really like that cpu. I also use 3200mhz ram, and for cooling I only have a single 140mm radiator, so don't worry about those.

[Hunlight]

4 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

If you have enough games that take advantage of it, then yeah go for it.

I got it because of sim and vr games that really like that cpu. I also use 3200mhz ram, and for cooling I only have a single 140mm radiator, so don't worry about those.

Im playing one and a half game only xD and some games that usually have 200+ fps on whatever cpu. so I only worry about those few specific. thats why I looked either at new 7600 ryzen or new 13k intel because of high clocks. but this 5800x3d looks that it gives a fair fight for them not sure how it would be with my game,

[191x7]

2 minutes ago, Hunlight said:

Im playing one and a half game only xD and some games that usually have 200+ fps on whatever cpu. so I only worry about those few specific. thats why I looked either at new 7600 ryzen or new 13k intel because of high clocks. but this 5800x3d looks that it gives a fair fight for them not sure how it would be with my game,

Go for it. Or wait till zen 4 with 3d cache.

[Origami Cactus]

3 minutes ago, Hunlight said:

Im playing one and a half game only xD and some games that usually have 200+ fps on whatever cpu. so I only worry about those few specific. thats why I looked either at new 7600 ryzen or new 13k intel because of high clocks. but this 5800x3d looks that it gives a fair fight for them not sure how it would be with my game,

Try to search for your specific game then on google.

I know sim games benefit much from the 5800x3D because all the physics are usually on a single core, and that single core can access the whole 100mb of L3 of the 3d model.

 

Other really good upgrade path would be to wait for intel 13th gen, and get something like 13500k or something like that, a 6 core, that is really fast, but depending on your game it might still be much slower, and the platform upgrade would cost a bit more because of the ddr5 ram needed to make intel processors fast.

[Hunlight]

4 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Try to search for your specific game then on google.

I know sim games benefit much from the 5800x3D because all the physics are usually on a single core, and that single core can access the whole 100mb of L3 of the 3d model.

 

Other really good upgrade path would be to wait for intel 13th gen, and get something like 13500k or something like that, a 6 core, that is really fast, but depending on your game it might still be much slower, and the platform upgrade would cost a bit more because of the ddr5 ram needed to make intel processors fast.

that was my initial plan to wait for 13k and get 13600k or maybe even 13700k (never had i7 so just a bonus point for myself xD). will try to look for my game test with this processor but I doubt there is any as my game is not that popular

[Hunlight]

just checked 5800x3d could not find any tests in 7 days to die game  

[Somerandomtechyboi]

You can just drop the 5800x3d in your current setup and go, no need to upgrade board

[Hunlight]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

You can just drop the 5800x3d in your current setup and go, no need to upgrade board

good to know. would beg reat to actually find any tests for 7 days to die vs like 3600 or 5600 ryzen to see if it benefits. otherwise would wait for 13k intel

[GreatnessRD]

Because you're already on AM4, I'd say grab the 5800X3D. Save that big upgrade for Zen6 or Intel's Lake equivalent. Don't know what the benches would be for 7 days to die, but I'm sure it won't hurt it that's for sure. The 5800X3D is beastly.

[Hunlight]

5 minutes ago, GreatnessRD said:

Because you're already on AM4, I'd say grab the 5800X3D. Save that big upgrade for Zen6 or Intel's Lake equivalent. Don't know what the benches would be for 7 days to die, but I'm sure it won't hurt it that's for sure. The 5800X3D is beastly.

makes sense that it would be better, but considering 7 days poor optimizations and love for HIGH clock, I wonder if 4.4-4.5 boost of 5800x3d is better than 5.5 of like 7000 series or intel equivalent. taking in mind big cache it may be, but sadly no tests. price is kinda big for " test it "

[jaslion]

16 minutes ago, Hunlight said:

just checked 5800x3d could not find any tests in 7 days to die game  

Basically its a single core beast but fps will stay cruddy in the game because of well the game being what it is. Defo average fps will go up but dont expect wonders just 60fps+ stable usually.

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Hunlight said:

love for HIGH clock

It loves ipc NOT high clock speed. So basically single core performance. Clockspeed doesnt factor in here its only a part of the machine that makes single core performance and the 5800x3d has excellent single core performance.

[Hunlight]

Just now, jaslion said:

It loves ipc NOT high clock speed. So basically single core performance. Clockspeed doesnt factor in here its only a part of the machine that makes single core performance and the 5800x3d has excellent single core performance.

okay my bad was meant to  say scp but simplified it too much for high speed  for me its the same xD. but yeah makes sense, just currently on 3600 Im getting drops to like 20fps when people on an old intel cpu like for example 8600 or similar alternatives who have higher clocks never seen lower than 40s.

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, Hunlight said:

okay my bad was meant to  say scp but simplified it too much for high speed  for me its the same xD. but yeah makes sense, just currently on 3600 Im getting drops to like 20fps when people on an old intel cpu like for example 8600 or similar alternatives who have higher clocks never seen lower than 40s.

Odd. The 8600 does not have better single core performance than a 3600. So there might be something going on there.

 

that or its an older version of the game in those posts/yt vids vs new version.

 

Do you have amd pbo on in the bios and are your temps in check?

 

 

[LAwLz]

Do you actually need to upgrade your CPU?

I quickly looked up the game on Google and it seems like it is not really a demanding game. There are people saying they run it on Phenom II processors.

The system requirements seems to be a core 2 Duo and a Radeon R7 240.

 

 

I am asking because it is easy to get swepped up by hype and flashy marketing, and you might end up spending a lot of money for no practical gains.

[Hunlight]

16 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Odd. The 8600 does not have better single core performance than a 3600. So there might be something going on there.

 

that or its an older version of the game in those posts/yt vids vs new version.

 

Do you have amd pbo on in the bios and are your temps in check?

 

 

I spoke to people who played the game as version as me, regarding pbo Idk my processor was not stable on 4.2 so I think I locked it on 4.0 or smth but it jumps to 3.8-3.9-4.1 sometimes so IDk maybe thats pbo cannot remember. and temps tops 65C or so in game.

[Hunlight]

5 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Do you actually need to upgrade your CPU?

I quickly looked up the game on Google and it seems like it is not really a demanding game. There are people saying they run it on Phenom II processors.

The system requirements seems to be a core 2 Duo and a Radeon R7 240.

 

 

I am asking because it is easy to get swepped up by hype and flashy marketing, and you might end up spending a lot of money for no practical gains.

oh yeah it can be run, but worse cpu gets worse performance in it, one guy had some fancy intel cpu (like one of those 800eur cost or smth) and had much much more stable fps than me. average fps were more or less same but stability of 1% was much higher.

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, Hunlight said:

I spoke to people who played the game as version as me, regarding pbo Idk my processor was not stable on 4.2 so I think I locked it on 4.0 or smth but it jumps to 3.8-3.9-4.1 sometimes so IDk maybe thats pbo cannot remember. and temps tops 65C or so in game.

Id say unlock it and let it do its thing. Locking ryzen to a max boost below its rated max is never a good idea for performance.

 

Either way the facts are rhat a 3600 is not alower than a 8600 so the things you see might be something else interfering.

 

That and currently a 5800x3d is in the top 3 best gaming cpus out right now.

[Hunlight]

12 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Id say unlock it and let it do its thing. Locking ryzen to a max boost below its rated max is never a good idea for performance.

 

Either way the facts are rhat a 3600 is not alower than a 8600 so the things you see might be something else interfering.

 

That and currently a 5800x3d is in the top 3 best gaming cpus out right now.

any tips how to check pbo or whatever I need to do in b550 tomahawk ? Im not even sure its locked or not cannot remember as it was years now last time I went there

[LAwLz]

42 minutes ago, Hunlight said:

oh yeah it can be run, but worse cpu gets worse performance in it, one guy had some fancy intel cpu (like one of those 800eur cost or smth) and had much much more stable fps than me. average fps were more or less same but stability of 1% was much higher.

But what performance do you get today? 

Of course a faster CPU performs better, but the question is do you actually need higher performance? Does the 500-ish dollars you are planning on spending actually makes the game more enjoyable in a meaningful way? 

[Hunlight]

1 minute ago, LAwLz said:

But what performance do you get today? 

Of course a faster CPU performs better, but the question is do you actually need higher performance? Does the 500-ish dollars you are planning on spending actually makes the game more enjoyable in a meaningful way? 

Im getting 120fps, then 60fps, then random drops to 20fps in the middle of nothing special happening around. While people with worse cpu as someone mentioned, getting much more stable fps around 60 with drops to like 50-40 tops but for just a moment. Just double checked temps and clock speed, all around 4.0 and 60C while in game.

[Hunlight]

7 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

But what performance do you get today? 

Of course a faster CPU performs better, but the question is do you actually need higher performance? Does the 500-ish dollars you are planning on spending actually makes the game more enjoyable in a meaningful way? 

to add it up, hell no 500 eur spending on just cpu makes me cringe. I thought of going intel 13k just for satisfaction on a whole new build, new part, fresh start etc.