ada lovelace NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote with CEO Jensen Huang: RTX 4090 + RTX 4080 Revealed

[Moonzy]

2 hours ago, schwellmo92 said:

RTX 4080 12GB should really be the RTX 4070 but is called the 4080 so they can say the 4080 starts at $899 and make it look like prices haven’t gone up much. Change my mind.

As long as performance per dollar is going up, who cares what they're called

Pick a price point, buy whatever makes the most sense, end of story.

[Dracarris]

Europe wishful-MSRP pricing (including ~20% VAT, but still):

4080 12G 4070: 1099€

                 4080: 1469€

 

NVidia, go fuck yourself. Sincerely.

[starsmine]

8 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

4080 12GB losing to 3090 Ti in Nvidia's own numbers is hilarious, what a shitty launch at $900.

what?
900 dollar GPU matching a 2000 dollar previous gen GPU is bad to you? 

[Origami Cactus]

4 minutes ago, Dracarris said:

Europe wishful-MSRP pricing (including ~20% VAT, but still):

4080 12G 4070: 1099€

                 4080: 1469€

 

NVidia, go fuck yourself. Sincerely.

 

Lol you are getting a discount compared to me. The 3090 can be had for the same price as the rebranded 4070, nvidia really screwed europe over.

[Origami Cactus]

2 minutes ago, starsmine said:

what?
900 dollar GPU matching a 2000 dollar previous gen GPU is bad to you? 

YES!! The 3090ti WAS NEVER worth 2000 dollars. Nvidia just really was screwing over the miners just because. The real price for 3090ti would have been about 1k$, so a 900$ gpu matching a last gen 1k$ is bad

[xg32]

15 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

4080 12GB losing to 3090 Ti in Nvidia's own numbers is hilarious, what a shitty launch at $900.

i really thought they were gonna call it the 4070ti cause it was sooo cut down, even the 4080 16gb is too cut.

 

4090 is lower than expected at 1600 while the 2 cut down 4070s for 1200 and 900 and i expected them to be 1k and 800

 

Are they actually scared there are not enough buyers for the 4090? where's the nvidia i know? and to actually think people will buy cards that cut down at 1200 and 900 in comparison...

 

On top of all this performance is below expectations, power supply connector issues, no evga, what a failed launch.

[Dracarris]

4 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

Lol you are getting a discount compared to me.

Hm these are the D-A-CH prices, probably they use 19% VAT from Germany. Since Spain and some others have a tad higher VAT this might be the reason depending on your country selection.

[Ydfhlx]

So, what happened is precisely what I anticipated:

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Pricing of specific models will matter a lot. So what if 4060 will be more powerful than 3060, when it probably also will be more expensive. Now obviously this is just speculation, but Nvidia has a record of increasing prices.

 

Names are just names. Nvidia might try to sell us what would otherwise be a 4060ti as a 4060 to claim substantial performance increase, while blaming inflation for the price increase.

So, we have a "4080" with a 50% MSRP increase over 3080, just so they can claim it's so much faster.

[Ravendarat]

6 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

YES!! The 3090ti WAS NEVER worth 2000 dollars. Nvidia just really was screwing over the miners just because. The real price for 3090ti would have been about 1k$, so a 900$ gpu matching a last gen 1k$ is bad

You cant just make stuff up to make your point true. You as an individual dont decide what the price is. The overall market combined with the company supplying the product does. And we saw that that card was $2000. Im not saying you arent right to be upset by the new price of these launch cards, but to say the 3090ti was a $1000 card is just factually untrue

[AnonymousGuy]

So when is the review embargo?  I'm likely to buy the 4090 regardless but I always hate the "2x" claims because it's fuckery of "new DLSS that this chip has hardware for vs. old chip that doesn't"
 

Plus need to see the FE TDP number because that was shitty about the 3090 FE.

[xg32]

2 minutes ago, Ravendarat said:

You cant just make stuff up to make your point true. You as an individual dont decide what the price is. The overall market combined with the company supplying the product does. And we saw that that card was $2000. Im not saying you arent right to be upset by the new price of these launch cards, but to say the 3090ti was a $1000 card is just factually untrue

i think it's more accurate to compare it to the current price of 1100usd, as it lines up the product stack better for buyers. The 2000usd price tag is moot. the 3090ti is 1100usd

[xg32]

1 minute ago, AnonymousGuy said:

So when is the review embargo?  I'm likely to buy the 4090 regardless but I always hate the "2x" claims because it's fuckery of "new DLSS that this chip has hardware for vs. old chip that doesn't"

the rast performance is likely well below expectations, definitely need reviews

[Ravendarat]

Just now, xg32 said:

i think it's more accurate to compare it to the current price of 1100usd, as it lines up the product stack better for buyers. The 2000usd price tag is moot. the 3090ti is 1100usd

I see your point but I think launch to launch is a more fair comparision as we know that the AIB are losing money at 3090ti. In 6 months you probably wont find a new 3090ti instock for 1100 but you will still see the 4080 at these launch prices.

[WereCat]

After seeing the price jump... again...

 

[Ravendarat]

@xg32But I agree that at launch it makes more sense to buy a last gen card than a 40xx for most consumers

[starsmine]

12 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

YES!! The 3090ti WAS NEVER worth 2000 dollars. Nvidia just really was screwing over the miners just because. The real price for 3090ti would have been about 1k$, so a 900$ gpu matching a last gen 1k$ is bad

Ok if you are going to be weird about the 3090ti
OH NO a 900 dollar card beats a 1500 card (3090)
And no, the 3090 is not a 1k card. It is impossible to manufacture and sell a 3090 UNDER 1000 dollars, even if profit for nvidia and the AIB is 0. Let ALONE a 3090ti.

[Origami Cactus]

Just now, starsmine said:

Ok if you are going to be weird about the 3090ti
OH NO a 900 dollar card beats a 1500 card (3090)
And no, the 3090 is not a 1k card. It is impossible to manufacture and sell a 3090 UNDER 1000 dollars, even if profit for nvidia and the AIB is 0. Let ALONE a 3090ti.

What you are missing is that Nvidia is scalping their AIBs too, if you haven't followed the whole EVGA saga.

[starsmine]

1 minute ago, Origami Cactus said:

What you are missing is that Nvidia is scalping their AIBs too, if you haven't followed the whole EVGA saga.

Damn, I wonder who posted that thread to the forums

[HenrySalayne]

40 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

massive inflation, don't know how Nvidia missed that.

40 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

The 4080 12gb costs 1129€ in Europe, OVER 370€ MORE than 3080 launched for.

Ehh, that's exactly what inflation does. Things get far more expensive.

 

BTW: the 3080 (10 GB) launched for 699€ (Germany) and was corrected to 729€ later on. The 4080 12 GB will cost a whopping 1099€ (+400€ or +60%) and the "true" 4080 with 16GB sets you back 1469€ (+770€ or +110%).

The 4090 for 1949€ can be considered cheap in comparison (+450€ or +30% compared to the 3090). .

Considering US pricing, the GPUs are across the board roughly 22% more expensive with "only" 19% VAT applied. So Nvidia is probably speculating on a weak Euro in the coming month.

And considering 3090 TIs are sold for around 1300€ (new!) and most people won't need anything more than a 3080 for the next 3 years, the 40 series might be a tough sell.

[xg32]

10 minutes ago, starsmine said:

Ok if you are going to be weird about the 3090ti
OH NO a 900 dollar card beats a 1500 card (3090)
And no, the 3090 is not a 1k card. It is impossible to manufacture and sell a 3090 UNDER 1000 dollars, even if profit for nvidia and the AIB is 0. Let ALONE a 3090ti.

lets not pretend the 3090 is 1500usd, if we line up current prices it's 900 for a "4080" that's probably slightly slower than a 3090ti (1100) in most cases, the "4080" is probably still a better deal, the pricing make sense somewhat, but no way i'm buying a "4080" thats been cut in half from the 4090 though, the new product stack sucks. 

[HenrySalayne]

11 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

So when is the review embargo?

Educated guess: we have seen embargo lifts between 48h and 24h before the launch of 30 series GPUs. So the 10th of October around noon for the 4090 would be my best bet.

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

 

And considering 3090 TIs are sold for around 1300€ (new!) and most people won't need anything more than a 3080 for the next 3 years, the 40 series might be a tough sell.

I agree with what you said but I think that anyone who is going to spend that much money on a card will also want the newest features to go with it like DLSS 3.0 and AV1 encoding which alone is a huge feature. Unforunately NVIDIA is great at offering "hooks" that will make people go towards the newer more shiny oy even if the performance is the same but it has something else going for it and costing more.

[starsmine]

Just now, xg32 said:

lets not pretend the 3090 is 1500usd, if we line up current prices it's 900 for a "4080" that's probably slightly slower than a 3090ti (1100) in most cases, the "4080" is probably still a better deal, good enough for me. No way i'm buying a card thats been cut in half from the 4090 though, the new product stack sucks. 

Lets not pretend end of life cycle used prices are prices that are comparable. 
4090 used prices when 5090 comes out will be 1000 bucks to.
This is how every generation goes. every single time. regardless of price increases of a given segment. 

[HenrySalayne]

46 minutes ago, WereCat said:

I agree with what you said but I think that anyone who is going to spend that much money on a card will also want the newest features to go with it like DLSS 3.0 and AV1 encoding which alone is a huge feature. Unforunately NVIDIA is great at offering "hooks" that will make people go towards the newer more shiny oy even if the performance is the same but it has something else going for it and costing more.

I'm with you, but the 3080 is a completely different price category. The only real decision is around the 1100€ mark between the 3090 with 24 GB of RAM and the 4080 with 12GB of RAM and probably a minor performance improvement. I would not expect the 4080 12GB* to be more than 10% faster than a 3090 in most workloads.

 

*We need a different name for the 12GB model of the 4080. How about 4080 CE (= clown edition or cheap edition)?

[pas008]

On 9/20/2022 at 1:49 PM, starsmine said:

Lets not pretend end of life cycle used prices are prices that are comparable. 
4090 used prices when 5090 comes out will be 1000 bucks to.
This is how every generation goes. every single time. regardless of price increases of a given segment. 

remember this is ltt full of negative nancys and complainers

cards are powerful more everything which includes power and money but lets complain that x80 prolly out do top last gen which we have continued to see almost every gen now for awhile

I actually came to read the numbers and read said comments for entertainment lol