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youtube is now being plain stupid. NOBODY WANTS ADDS. They need to get of the money addiction.

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1 hour ago, PcBeExpensive said:

youtube is now being plain stupid. NOBODY WANTS ADDS. They need to get of the money addiction.

The problem is that the services are not zero-cost.

 

In a perfect, peer-to-peer, decentralized (not web3 nonsense) way, there would be no central control, no censorship, and no laws.

 

The problem is, as we saw really early on with Napster, Kazaa, eMule, WinMX, and finally with torrents is that the weakness in these is the indexing (such as TPB) part of the system. With Torrents, there is a way to even decentralize that, but unless all you're interested in is stolen porn, you will find only other crap people are downloading/seeding from seeds you're already connected to and are using the same client. That's it.

 

We're pretty much going to see a "torrent 2.0" sometime soon that solves all the weaknesses of the existing "free to leech, free to tamper, free to sue" model where:

- The content remains encrypted, and you need the entire torrent to open it

- The torrent software acts as a very lightweight DRM/privacy protection, so the file inside the torrent can only be decrypted once the torrent is complete. Anyone transmitting pieces of the torrent, does not know what is inside it until it's complete. External "tracking" systems, IRC, Discords, etc know what's inside the torrents, which is how you avoid downloading fake things.

- The torrent clients will self-contain video and audio codecs (eg h264/h265/VP9/AV1/etc, AAC/FLAC/OPUS,etc) decryption key so that you can only watch the video progressively if you know the key index in advance, otherwise you have to wait for the entire thing to download.

 

Sites like Youtube get reduced to "index" sites where videos uploaded to Youtube remain as they are, but if you want to watch the original source, you have to download via the torrent2 if the rights owner permits it. Youtube would in fact love to do this as it would save them gobs of bandwidth in Korea and Australia.

 

The downside?

- Rights owners get thrown off a cliff. If you don't create the video torrent itself, then someone else will, and you'll never know about it.

- Law Enforcement will have a field day, as this cuts both ways, downloading the torrent means you are in possession of the entire video (be it piracy, or illegal for another reason such as sexual assault videos) and thus your liability goes from "acting as a proxy" to "distributing the illegal content". Imagine a situation where all the sexual assault video sharers accidently share one video to a law enforcement officer, who then essentially gets a list of valid targets to raid.

 

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On 9/19/2022 at 1:15 AM, DeScruff said:

TV ads are absolutely terrible.
Twice in the past 5 years Ive tried to give television a second chance, and I could not stand it.

Depends on where you live and which provider(s) you have.
At home I've got two ISP providers (one is fiber, the other one is cable), and they both bundle internet with IPTV in such a way it doesn't make sense to just get the internet without TV (either it ends up costing more with slightly higher bandwidth, or it ends up costing less but with lower bandwidth).
Anyhow, the fiber provider allows me to rewind pretty much any channel up to 30 days from the date of broadcast, and the cable provider allows up to 7 days.
In any case, I can't remember the last time I watched something "live" (except for sports). Pick a show I want to watch, press play from the beginning, and as soon as ads show up I fast forward through them in 2 seconds.
For me YT ads are way, way worse than TV ads 😄.

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I find YouTube ads more jarring and disruptive to the content that I am watching, and it would help if content creators would optimize their content to be more ad friendly. I've found out that creators can decide where to put YouTube served ads in videos when they upload them, though that was, like, 2019 when some creators were talking about it. It's also not like we don't have a precident since OTA TV has been doing exactly that for decades. As for now, I'll be using my nondescript blocker until content creators wise up.

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If you could pay $5 a month for youtube noads, I would.

 

$10 is a lot, when I have zero desire/use for youtube original or youtube music.

 

As it is, ad blockers for me.

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On 9/19/2022 at 3:02 AM, Murasaki said:

Yeah I stopped watching TV more than a decade ago. I remember watching nothing but Discovery Science and some other channel I forgot.

Also ever notice how ads are EXTREMELY amped up in volume? Whatever programme is on seems like at normal volume but when the ads come up.... get that remote..

You need one of these:
1994 Magnavox Smartsound "Household pests, control them" TV Commercial - YouTube

Can't get it to embed in the post (Probrably me - Gotta be) but I think you'll like it - Esp the irony of it since it's an ad.

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2 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

You need one of these:
1994 Magnavox Smartsound "Household pests, control them" TV Commercial - YouTube

Can't get it to embed in the post (Probrably me - Gotta be) but I think you'll like it - Esp the irony of it since it's an ad.

Oh my god I love that so much whoever is the engineer that thought of that I want to buy em a few drinks!

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To be honest, has YT tried just using banner ads? Or is that a whole lot worst than the current ad system right now?

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If I have to watch 5 ads before watching my video, I'm not watching at all to begin with. I'll just close the app and do something else.

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On 9/30/2022 at 9:05 PM, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

To be honest, has YT tried just using banner ads? Or is that a whole lot worst than the current ad system right now?

Banner ads pay nothing. And that is google's own fault for driving down the value.

 

At one point in time, before video was popular (eg before youtube) ad banners had like 10$ CPM's. now they have like 30 cent CPM's. They're also easy to block.

 

What you're going to see is eventually youtube hardcoding ads into streams so that ad blockers can't block them at all.

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53 minutes ago, Kisai said:

What you're going to see is eventually youtube hardcoding ads into streams so that ad blockers can't block them at all.

god I would die 
I stopped watching the Daily show because of viacom doing that to all their web players back in like 2014/2015. 
At least on TV you could fast forward.
But no this was worse then watching it on TV, there was no skip button, there was no fast forward, ad block could do literally nothing for me. 
I just stopped watching. 

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42 minutes ago, starsmine said:

god I would die 
I stopped watching the Daily show because of viacom doing that to all their web players back in like 2014/2015. 
At least on TV you could fast forward.
But no this was worse then watching it on TV, there was no skip button, there was no fast forward, ad block could do literally nothing for me. 
I just stopped watching. 

Trust me, you're better off for it.

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On 10/1/2022 at 5:05 AM, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

To be honest, has YT tried just using banner ads? Or is that a whole lot worst than the current ad system right now?

Jeez...Who remembers BANNER ADS in youtube videos???  That stupid little x you had to hit lol

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24 minutes ago, SimplyChunk said:

Jeez...Who remembers BANNER ADS in youtube videos???  That stupid little x you had to hit lol

They're still there.

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Any website using ads will have the same problem and is essentially always running around in a circle with it's users.

 

Run ads -> users start to use adblock -> run more ads to counteract adblockers -> even more users run adblock -> run even more ads to counteract more adblockers -> etc...

The result is always that the "average viewer" suffers through more and more ads while the adblock-users will notice no change whatsoever.

 

In the end the consumer always has the tools to win the fight. Either use an adblocker or stop using the site. The community needs to show YouTube that they cannot do everything they want. Sadly the people that are aware of adblocking are a very small part of YouTube's userbase. On PC you can use adblock extensions like ABP or uBlock, on mobile you can use the brave browser with it's integrated adblocker. The only platform that currently has no way of adblocking are smart TVs.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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5 hours ago, Stahlmann said:

adblocking are smart TVs.

DNS level Adblocks should help with that, no?

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2 minutes ago, Lightwreather JfromN said:

DNS level Adblocks should help with that, no?

Never looked into that myself. I've seen the LTT video about that a few years back, but it doesn't seem to be as easy as installing an app (mobile) or a browser extension.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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23 hours ago, Kisai said:

They're still there.

Yeah I just realized that they are still there at the bottom of YT vids. Sounds like a bad idea to go all banner ad mode but that seems more like a google/YT issue than anything else

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Good job Youtube!  You've finally made me make sure I only open any youtube link in my adblocked browsers...no adds at all at the start of videos....ever.

I used to only do that for the annoying every 5-10 minute advertisement cut ins on long music things.  Youtube has now officially lost all of their revenue from me.

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