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The most EXPENSIVE thing I own. (SPONSORED)

SeanLMG
By SeanLMG
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Thanks to Seasonic for sponsoring the unboxing of our new Power Supply Tester, and helping us spec it out! Buy a Seasonic Prime Platinum PX-1300W: https://geni.us/R0aH6

 

To prep for our upcoming Labs initiative, we ordered something more expensive than BOTH of Linus' vehicles combined... a massive Power Supply Tester worth $133,000. We can't wait to test it out, but find out how it works now!

 

Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.

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Why is the price of the equipment relevant? No one cares Linus has a lot of money and likes spending a lot of money. It's Linus Tech Tips, not Canadian man gloats to internet about spending money for clickbait to make more money. 

 

If the sole reason of clickbait is to increase revenue it's counterproductive as you always have to spend more to one up the previous claim. Otherwise it's the boy who cried wolf, if it's not that already. 

 

Youtubers like Mr. Beast can get away with using money as that's what his content revolves around. But it's just really weird if a company posted a job and used their $4M AC unit and $400k for repaving their parking lot as a selling point to get you to work there. It's the value it brings to you not the actual monetary value. 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Why is the price of the equipment relevant? No one cares Linus has a lot of money and likes spending a lot of money. It's Linus Tech Tips, not Canadian man gloats to internet about spending money for clickbait to make more money. 

 

If the sole reason of clickbait is to increase revenue it's counterproductive as you always have to spend more to one up the previous claim. Otherwise it's the boy who cried wolf, if it's not that already. 

 

Youtubers like Mr. Beast can get away with using money as that's what his content revolves around. But it's just really weird if a company posted a job and used their $4M AC unit and $400k for repaving their parking lot as a selling point to get you to work there. It's the value it brings to you not the actual monetary value. 

It's clickbait to get people to actually watch the YouTube video, see also the video about the cable tester being titled  This Just Saved me $100,000 - Totalphase Cable Tester my guess is that they determined that for most videos involving enterprise/testing gear the way to get views is talk about how expensive the equipment is.
 

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5 minutes ago, Ultraforce said:

It's clickbait to get people to actually watch the YouTube video, see also the video about the cable tester being titled  This Just Saved me $100,000 - Totalphase Cable Tester my guess is that they determined that for most videos involving enterprise/testing gear the way to get views is talk about how expensive the equipment is.
 

I understand it's clickbait but what is LTT actually trying to do? Is it make a video on a PSU tester or is it make videos to get views? Typically people don't shit where they eat so I find it backwards to destroy your own branding for nothing more than profit. What does LTT do when using money as clickbait no longer works? They would probably be forced to stop spending as much and videos like this wouldn't exist. So now you can sorta see the content is mainly driven by views. 

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17 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Why is the price of the equipment relevant? No one cares Linus has a lot of money and likes spending a lot of money. It's Linus Tech Tips, not Canadian man gloats to internet about spending money for clickbait to make more money. 

 

If the sole reason of clickbait is to increase revenue it's counterproductive as you always have to spend more to one up the previous claim. Otherwise it's the boy who cried wolf, if it's not that already. 

 

Youtubers like Mr. Beast can get away with using money as that's what his content revolves around. But it's just really weird if a company posted a job and used their $4M AC unit and $400k for repaving their parking lot as a selling point to get you to work there. It's the value it brings to you not the actual monetary value. 

It's just how YouTube marketing works. People see haha funny big money number, they click video. It's not really clickbait because they did actually get said product and reviewed it. Although it may not be the most relevant product to review for the wide audience, sometimes it's cool to see expensive things. Why do you think they make $50,000+ PCs and make a video of them? Because most people can't afford said product, and like to see what the top 0.1% of tech is like.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I understand it's clickbait but what is LTT actually trying to do? Is it make a video on a PSU tester or is it make videos to get views? Typically people don't shit where they eat so I find it backwards to destroy your own branding for nothing more than profit. What does LTT do when using money as clickbait no longer works? They would probably be forced to stop spending as much and videos like this wouldn't exist. So now you can sorta see the content is mainly driven by views. 

Many of us old timers like unboxing videos from LTT... thats how the brand started.
And its something that IS relevant to most of us, as it has to do PSUs and their validitiy.

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The main reason I would put a multimeter in a system like this is to actually measure voltages correctly.

 

Oscilloscopes aren't actually built to measure voltage all that accurately. +/- 5% isn't remotely uncommon. (Very very few scopes are better than 1%, while any decent multimeter is better than 0.5%.)

Since oscilloscopes are built to measure voltage through time at a very high sample rate, voltage accuracy is far less important as long as it is mostly stable. (and rarely is it stable between attenuation levels for that matter. Since yet again, that isn't an important thing. And even drift over time isn't majorly important either.)

 

But this setup seems rather decent.
All though the slewrate is likely adequate enough to give practically any PSUs a real run for their money.

 

Then there is EU outlets, some type F ones are rated to 16 amps or 3600 W, even if most are only rated for 10 amps continuous.

And 10 kW isn't that much power either, a regular old 3 phase 16 amp C form connector goes to 11 kW continuous and can be pulsed up ta fair bit higher for a few seconds without issues. (the cables and connectors have plenty of thermal mass, they won't heat up too much from the extra current, but leave it on for minutes and they will typically melt.)

 

Personally I would have gone with more than a 4 channel scope. Perhaps a PXI setup as to get both scope and multimeters into the same tightly integrated measurement system, but that is likely a bit overkill...

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Isn't there a massive conflict of interest with Seasonic both sponsoring this video, and helping with choosing the testing equipment?

 

I'm not saying they've done anything nefarious (and they probably haven't), but how do we know that they haven't lead you down a path with the equipment that favours their power supplies over another manufacturer?

 

Think of it like this...

 

Labs want to build a CPU benchmark, so they ask Intel for help in designing said benchmark. Intel then sponsor an LTT video showing off the new benchmark.

 

Would you not be a bit suspicious of the reviews formed from the results of the benchmark?

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2 minutes ago, Birblover12 said:

It's just how YouTube marketing works. People see haha funny big money number, they click video. It's not really clickbait because they did actually get said product and reviewed it. Although it may not be the most relevant product to review for the wide audience, sometimes it's cool to see expensive things. Why do you think they make $50,000+ PCs and make a video of them? Because most people can't afford said product, and like to see what the top 0.1% of tech is like.

 

 

Yes but there is a separation between repeat community supporters and trying to get as many views as possible. You can't realistically account for clickbait tactics as it's not sustainable. It's not actually your audience, you've only convinced someone to click the video.

 

It might seem backwards since more views = more $$$, which from a business perspective is great. But things aren't as cut and dry and I worry Linus has now dug a large hole and keeps digging. 

 

The LTT community on Reddit now translates the titles and adds a description for each video because of how bad the clickbait is. 

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Aww that so cute, thinking here in Europe we have to do with less then 3000 Watts.
Most countries have 240V and 16A fuses. Juss sayin.
 

 

When i ask for more specs, don't expect me to know the answer!
I'm just helping YOU to help YOURSELF!
(The more info you give the easier it is for others to help you out!)

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40 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

Isn't there a massive conflict of interest with Seasonic both sponsoring this video, and helping with choosing the testing equipment?

 

I'm not saying they've done anything nefarious (and they probably haven't), but how do we know that they haven't lead you down a path with the equipment that favours their power supplies over another manufacturer?

 

Think of it like this...

 

Labs want to build a CPU benchmark, so they ask Intel for help in designing said benchmark. Intel then sponsor an LTT video showing off the new benchmark.

 

Would you not be a bit suspicious of the reviews formed from the results of the benchmark?

I get where you are coming from. But it doesn't really hold water in the electrical engineering sense.

 

Benchmarking a CPU with numerous nuanced instructions is one thing.

Testing a power supply is having far less room for a manufacturer to actually effect the test setup itself in a meaningful way that wouldn't also effect themselves equally.

There is simply far less room in this area for subtle nuance of the kind often seen in the software industry.

 

Generally speaking for PSUs, a good test setup should be able to generate both rapid large transient loads and large continuous loads for the PSU to coupe with. The test setup should likewise have the ability to monitor the response of the PSU under the test as to see how quickly it reacts to the change.

 

Likewise is it beneficial to also have the ability to test the lowest mains input voltage the supply will be able to handle, or what the highest mains voltage is. Same for changes in mains frequency, or just straight up running it on DC (something nearly all PC power supplies can do without issue). Here it is also wise to test transient response and output capacity at these different input voltages.

 

Same for measuring power efficiency under various loads and input voltages/frequencies.

 

(Then one can continue down the rabbit hole and talk about power factor correction quality, and other quality of life features as input surge suppression, fan noise, RGB lighting, control/monitoring software, redundant power, etc...)

 

All of these tests are more or less objective, especially since practically all these tests are applicable to any power supply on the market. (with exception for some of the stuff in the rabbit hole.)

 

However, there is an argument to be made about how important a given spec is. Here a manufacturer with superior transient response might push the reviewer's opinion towards weighing transient response higher than other factors for the score of the review. (even if a good review should more or less just come down to having a spec sheet of what the result of each test were and if the result were favorable or not. And then simply leave it up to the end user to pick a product based on the specs they value themselves.) Similar story for another PSU manufacturer that is superior in another category.

 

But in the end, I don't see this concern as particularly applicable to PSU testing. (But the concern is very applicable in a lot of other testing fields.)

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3 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

However, there is an argument to be made about how important a given spec is. Here a manufacturer with superior transient response might push the reviewer's opinion towards weighing transient response higher than other factors for the score of the review. (even if a good review should more or less just come down to having a spec sheet of what the result of each test were and if the result were favorable or not. And then simply leave it up to the end user to pick a product based on the specs they value themselves.) Similar story for another PSU manufacturer that is superior in another category.

 

But in the end, I don't see this concern as particularly applicable to PSU testing. (But the concern is very applicable in a lot of other testing fields.)

 

This was my concern, the fact that they seem to be basically just doing a Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V of Seasonic's testing means that Seasonic will presumably do very well in the tests, whereas another manufacturer, which tests things slightly differently, may not.

 

I feel like this is something that needs to be addressed in more detail, especially if they're basing their testing methodology on Seasonic's

 

(I made another dedicated post on the forum as you posted this reply)

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Just now, yolosnail said:

 

This was my concern, the fact that they seem to be basically just doing a Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V of Seasonic's testing means that Seasonic will presumably do very well in the tests, whereas another manufacturer, which tests things slightly differently, may not.

 

I feel like this is something that needs to be addressed in more detail, especially if they're basing their testing methodology on Seasonic's

 

(I made another dedicated post on the forum as you posted this reply)

To be fair, the testing setup shown is industry standard stuff.

 

Working in electronics manufacturing and design for years I wouldn't majorly build it any differently. Only picked different parts that does the same thing. (mostly for ease of synchronized logging.)

 

I get your concern.
But measurement wise the setup is doing all the standard tests that any reputable manufacturer would likewise already do. (and often be required to send their product off to an accredited third party to have it tested for regardless.)

 

There simply isn't enough nuance in the tests to give room for skewing things in favor of a specific manufacturer as far as measurements go.

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22 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

This was my concern, the fact that they seem to be basically just doing a Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V of Seasonic's testing means that Seasonic will presumably do very well in the tests, whereas another manufacturer, which tests things slightly differently, may not.

they didn't... they talked to someone at Seasonic to help them at the config... and seemingly both Kyle and them have overlooked things. Chroma is used by many other companies as well, both OEMs (Andyson, CWT, Greatwall and so on) and validation labs (Cybenetics, Intel and so on)

 

to touch on a few other things mentioned here

 

is this actually useful?

Yes, if done properly... There are very few PSU reviewers because of the high cost to get into the market. A lot relies on a single person (Aris) right now, so it's always nice to see more people entering the space.

 

Can it do 115v/230v/whatever?

yes, the AC source allows this to be modified according to their needs

 

issues I do see here

- where's 5VSB? 

- capacity for 5v and 3.3v is enough for "realistic" tests, but not enough to trip it... I'd dedicate a full 400w load to each rail if you want to check for an OCP limit

- 8x400w will make it hard to test ATX 3.0 compatibility beyond (give or take) 1200w rated units

- you're heavily relying on Chroma's ecosystem this way... which is a choice

 

it's definitely a better setup compared to say Gamersnexus' Sunmoon, but considering these are around 6k+import/shipping, that should be expected... However, this isn't a groundbreaking thing. We've already seen a better setup than this from Tomshardware/TechPowerUp/Hardwarebusters' Aris...

 

note: I'm not an electronic engineer by any means, I just have a few friends in the industry so to say

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1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

issues I do see here

- where's 5VSB? 

- capacity for 5v and 3.3v is enough for "realistic" tests, but not enough to trip it... I'd dedicate a full 400w load to each rail if you want to check for an OCP limit

- 8x400w will make it hard to test ATX 3.0 compatibility beyond (give or take) 1200w rated units

- you're heavily relying on Chroma's ecosystem this way... which is a choice

 

it's definitely a better setup compared to say Gamersnexus' Sunmoon, but considering these are around 6k+import/shipping, that should be expected... However, this isn't a groundbreaking thing. We've already seen a better setup than this from Tomshardware/TechPowerUp/Hardwarebusters' Aris...

 

note: I'm not an electronic engineer by any means, I just have a few friends in the industry so to say

5 Volt Standby is indeed a bit weird to not have. (except they don't technically lack it.)

And yes, 100 watts isn't enough to reliably trip the 5 and 3.3 rails as far as OCP and OPP, even on fairly weak PSUs, and on larger PSUs things will get harder.

 

However!

The setup isn't hardwired to have all the 12x 400 watt loads strictly for one thing, they are still just 12 individual loads. So nothing prevents them from doing more nuanced tests.

So they are still able to test quite a bit.

 

To be fair, the real limit I see is the AC source only being 3 kVA, still plenty enough for practically all PSUs. (Only supplies I know that goes beyond that is a few server ones, and a good amount of industrial ones that LTT likely will not test. But with rising GPU power draws and CPU's following suit, then perhaps a 2+ kW PSU isn't going to be seen as atypical for some users.)

 

And in regards to test setup quality, it is debatable. And largely dependent on the tests one desires to do and what features one desires and not. (There is a lot of manufacturers that makes quality equipment, and a lot of the more budget equipment manufacturers on the market usually starts by trimming off the costs that don't effect performance, but rather effect ease of use or just esthetics. Then there is all the companies aiming at specific sets of tests, like there is load testers specifically for transient load testing and nothing else. I am however not going to go into the nuances of the quality of different electronics test equipment manufacturers, but in short it is rarely a clear cut for what is "better" unless one has a very specific set of requirements in mind. If one is more general in one's requirements the list will be rather long with subtle nuances to contemplate over for a good amount of time.)

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Why is the price of the equipment relevant? No one cares Linus has a lot of money and likes spending a lot of money. It's Linus Tech Tips, not Canadian man gloats to internet about spending money for clickbait to make more money. 

 

If the sole reason of clickbait is to increase revenue it's counterproductive as you always have to spend more to one up the previous claim. Otherwise it's the boy who cried wolf, if it's not that already. 

 

Youtubers like Mr. Beast can get away with using money as that's what his content revolves around. But it's just really weird if a company posted a job and used their $4M AC unit and $400k for repaving their parking lot as a selling point to get you to work there. It's the value it brings to you not the actual monetary value. 

I couldn't agree more, and that title card is exactly why I don't click or watch that. Because otherwise my Youtube feed will be nothing but rich white people gloating about how much money they have. 

 

It's fucking sickening, actually. 

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Just now, Nystemy said:

5 Volt Standby is indeed a bit weird to not have.

even worse... you're required to test it for ATX 3.0. So they can immediately forget about validating that unless they dedicate the 2x100w to it and use 400w ones for 5v and 3.3v

 

2 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

The setup isn't hardwired to have all the 12x 400 watt loads strictly for one thing, they are still just 12 individual loads. So nothing prevents them from doing more nuanced tests.

of course, but they can't do a heavy load on both 12v and minor rails on higher wattage units this way

 

3 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

To be fair, the real limit I see is the AC source only being 3 kVA

can't say you're wrong... and you would actually be able to trigger it with consumer PSUs, as you have to account for double the capacity. ATX 3.0 requires testing of transients up to 200% of the unit's rating

 

4 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

And in regards to test setup quality, it is debatable. And largely dependent on the tests one desires to do and what features one desires and not.

of course, but considering they're competing with Aris now... they're well behind him as they can't do ATX 3.0 validation, are using real hardware instead of a simulated load for transient testing (which gives you measurement issues of their own)

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2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:
8 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

5 Volt Standby is indeed a bit weird to not have.

even worse... you're required to test it for ATX 3.0. So they can immediately forget about validating that unless they dedicate the 2x100w to it and use 400w ones for 5v and 3.3v

 

8 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

The setup isn't hardwired to have all the 12x 400 watt loads strictly for one thing, they are still just 12 individual loads. So nothing prevents them from doing more nuanced tests.

of course, but they can't do a heavy load on both 12v and minor rails on higher wattage units this way

This largely depends on the power supply under test.

Secondly, one can add in more loads in parallel to the setup, ie expand the setup in the future.

It isn't a singular machine after all, just a bunch of separate loads in a rack. (likely bound together over LXI/Ethernet and using SCIPI to automate it. Bog standard stuff in the industry....)

4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:
11 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

To be fair, the real limit I see is the AC source only being 3 kVA

can't say you're wrong... and you would actually be able to trigger it with consumer PSUs, as you have to account for double the capacity. ATX 3.0 requires testing of transients up to 200% of the unit's rating

To be fair, it is still a lot for most PSUs, very few currently on the market would actually be a problem to test to ATX 3.0 specs. It is more a future concern.

And even then, a new AC source isn't a hard thing to acquire when that day comes, my statement is more that it is the thing I suspect to be replaced some day in the future. (likely 3 years form now.)

6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:
13 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

And in regards to test setup quality, it is debatable. And largely dependent on the tests one desires to do and what features one desires and not.

of course, but considering they're competing with Aris now... they're well behind him as they can't do ATX 3.0 validation, are using real hardware instead of a simulated load for transient testing (which gives you measurement issues of their own)

When entering a new space one don't have to go for the top.... Consider them to be in the same position that Intel is in when it comes to discrete GPUs, we shouldn't expect Intel to beat nVidia's high end products, neither should we expect LTT/lab32 to step into the most reputable PSU reviewer position either.

That lab32/LTT tests PSUs is good enough as a start, even if they just tested things with much much lower end equipment than they have here.

 

In this space they aren't "competing" with Aris, or Gamers Nexus, or anyone else for that matter.

Non of these offers their services as anything else than reviewing PSUs for their own channel. Nor do they require the best equipment or even the ability to test a product to its fullest, the important part is that they can get useful numbers for their respective audiences, and at least mostly validate or discredit marketing claims.

 

And to be fair, the equipment really doesn't matter much, to a degree they could have just bought a couple of decent multimeter and built their own custom loads in house. (And this isn't uncommon in the industry, custom (usually application specific) load testers are common as mud...) An AC source is a bit harder to just build, but that is besides the point.

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4 hours ago, Birblover12 said:

It's just how YouTube marketing works. People see haha funny big money number, they click video. It's not really clickbait because they did actually get said product and reviewed it. Although it may not be the most relevant product to review for the wide audience, sometimes it's cool to see expensive things. Why do you think they make $50,000+ PCs and make a video of them? Because most people can't afford said product, and like to see what the top 0.1% of tech is like.

 

 

But it is clickbait. Title and all. The company he co owns. The commercial property that company owns. The house he and his wife own. None of that he has a stake high enough in to “own more than $133k?” What part of that isn’t clickbait?

Edit: you can even flip it this way. Does he own the tester or does LMG? Hint:LMG wrote the check. Not Linus. 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

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2 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

But it is clickbait. Title and all. The company he co owns. The commercial property that company owns. The house he and his wife own. None of that he has a stake high enough in to “own more than $133k?” What part of that isn’t clickbait?

Edit: you can even flip it this way. Does he own the tester or does LMG? Hint:LMG wrote the check. Not Linus. 

I suppose it's slightly misleading as to who actually "owns" it. But most people wouldn't want to click on: "Linus Media Group Incorporated (and NOT Linus) purchased a PSU tester which is owned and paid for by LMG". He still obtained the item, and reviewed it did he not? While yes, it's not technically "his" but he does have it and will use it in the future instead of only just being loaned it for example.

 

At the end of the day, why does it matter who owns it, or which bank account the funds came out of to purchase these things? You literally lose nothing; in fact, I only see this as a good thing. Because now LTT can properly test PSUs and see which one's garbage and which ones are worth your hard-earned dollars. The videos will only get better because they can begin putting Tech Companies in check by verifying all their claims.

 

LTT has been making videos with these kind of titles for YEARS. I don't know what makes this video so "egregiously horrible" that necessitates all the flaming lol. If it's really that bad then people years ago would have called Linus out on it. Though who knows, maybe he'll see this thread and change the title.

 

 

Keep in mind that I am sometimes wrong, so please correct me if you believe this is the case!

 

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6 hours ago, HanZie82 said:

Aww that so cute, thinking here in Europe we have to do with less then 3000 Watts.
Most countries have 240V and 16A fuses. Juss sayin.
 

 

Yeah and most US homes have can have anywhere from 20-50 A receptacles for larger appliances. But your standard outlets will trip your standard fuses after 2-3 kW, that's what they are implying.

 

7 hours ago, Caroline said:

Clickbait at its finest.

 

Whenever there's a video about "look at my expensive thing" I hide it from my homepage. If I wanted to see rich guys bragging I'd watch celebrity news. Shity clickbait channels like Mr. Beast and pdp are perfect examples of this.

I logged in for the first time in like 2 years just to respond to how pathetic some of these replies are. Go try and run a media business yourself.

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It's starting to feel like 'well Steve has one so I need a more expensive one'...

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8 hours ago, Nystemy said:

Non of these offers their services as anything else than reviewing PSUs for their own channel.

Aris runs Cybenetics which is wildy implemented and featured on almost every PSU company website(unit page), and was mentioned in the ATX 3.0 guide by Intel as an official ceritifaction body in the same vein as 80plus. They're featured in marketing on youtube, they were featured in the Gamescom presentation from Asus, etc, ...

 

So yeah Aris is a direct competition to LTT Labs (if the Lab32 wants to certify stuff for PSU makers).

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