price check, AMD FX 8xxx and am3+ board

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

hi,

what would be a reasonable price for a amd fx 8000 series CPU and am3+ mainboard ?

there are not a lot of them on the used market where i live, and to me it looks like the people asking for prices based on rarity and not what it actually is, very old hardware.

 

thanks

[Guest]

FX Cpu looks to go for 35-45 US dollars.

 

Would need the make and model of the board for accurate pricing.

[LIGISTX]

3 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

hi,

what would be a reasonable price for a amd fx 8000 series CPU and am3+ mainboard ?

there are not a lot of them on the used market where i live, and to me it looks like the people asking for prices based on rarity and not what it actually is, very old hardware.

 

thanks

Almost definitely not worth it, whatever the cost is. If you can find practically anything from Intel from the last decade, it would be a better option. 

[tkitch]

find a used business PC in the 6th-7th gen range, and it'll be waaaay better

[RONOTHAN##]

Personally, I wouldn't spend more than $50-60 on the combo, it's 10 year old hardware that was outdated when it was released and 98% of boards were terrible enough I'd be surprised if they'd last too much longer. Only reason to spend any more than that is if you're going for something a bit higher end for the board, something like a Crosshair V Formula, but even then it only makes sense if you're into frequency validations. 

 

You're realistically better looking at 2nd/3rd gen Intel i5/i7 and newer instead, they'll consume less power and at worst match the FX system and at best blow it out of the water. 

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

the problem is i need ECC ram support

[RONOTHAN##]

1 minute ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

the problem is i need ECC ram support

What's the reason you need ECC? If you actually need it go for an early E3 Xeon and board, that will still be about the same cost and perform better. 

[LIGISTX]

2 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

the problem is i need ECC ram support

Then I’d go for an i3… or you don’t “need” ECC.

 

i3’s support ECC, just need a mobo that supports it as well. 
 

Why do you “need” ECC?

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

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Why do you “need” ECC?

truenas

 

never saw a intel board for a sandy/ivy bridge xeon with ecc support on the used market i have access to.

other options are HP workstations, but most of them won't ship or are to far away to pick up.

 

i have a hp proliant 380 g6 but 2.5" with nephalem xeons... and no idea if sas extension cables from aliexpress are any good... and mount the hdds in a cage on top of the server... and this would be more on the power hungry side like a amd fx..

[LIGISTX]

3 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

truenas

 

never saw a intel board for a sandy/ivy bridge xeon with ecc support on the used market i have access to.

other options are HP workstations, but most of them won't ship or are to far away to pick up.

 

i have a hp proliant 380 g6 but 2.5" with nephalem xeons... and no idea if sas extension cables from aliexpress are any good... and mount the hdds in a cage on top of the server... and this would be more on the power hungry side like a amd fx..

You don’t need ECC for ZFS.

 

If your going for ultimate budget, I’d likely go for some early gen i3 or something.

 

ECC never hurt anything, but it isn’t required for ZFS. And I’d your budget is this small, I would argue you should spend more on harddrives and a proper HBA and SAS to SATA cables then a platform that supports ECC. 

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

will use the drives i have, won't use a HBA but the sata ports on the mainboard and i know this is not optimal but this is what's going to be. but the one thing it will be is ecc ram. because if i go with amd fx or some sandy/ivy bridge xeon i will end up with ecc, so there is no reason to argue about ecc or using sata ports and not a hba ; )

[LIGISTX]

3 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

will use the drives i have, won't use a HBA but the sata ports on the mainboard and i know this is not optimal but this is what's going to be. but the one thing it will be is ecc ram. because if i go with amd fx or some sandy/ivy bridge xeon i will end up with ecc, so there is no reason to argue about ecc or using sata ports and not a hba ; )

SATA ports are fine, but I thought you mentioned SAS cables from aliexpress? I am saying don’t use questionable SAS or SATA cables, or questionable cards. Use the mobo ports and trusted cables, nothing wrong with that. 
 

But, really, ECC is not required. If sourcing parts is that difficult, I wouldn’t let that be a huge factor. For instance, if you can save enough money reusing an old PC you have or one you can get for really really cheap vs the ECC route, and that savings affords you an extra harddrive to go from a Z1 to a Z2 array for instance, that would be money better spent. As an example. 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

As a current FX user who can't wait to jump ship in a few months... don't. 

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

those are the sas extension cables, that would enable using 3.5" hdds with the proliant.

 

pros of a amd fx/board combo if i could get it for 50$ would be, truenas basically instantly up and running with ecc ram. sellers want 100$+ so they would have to be willing to sell for 50$ because not gonna pay more for that old and being amd fx... and it's listed for a long time, no one is paying those prices.

 

buying a workstation will result paying for stuff i don't need, but maybe still better than a amd fx combo... Fujitsu workstation with E3 1230 for 95$ maybe less with some haggling would probably be better than a 50$ amd platform... but my budget would still prefer if i could get amd cpu and mainboard for 50$

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

those are the sas extension cables, that would enable using 3.5" hdds with the proliant.

 

Those cables don't seem great for sata use, as there made for sas connectors. Id just use normal sata cables. Whats the rest of the system your using?

 

2 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

ros of a amd fx/board combo if i could get it for 50$ would be, truenas basically instantly up and running with ecc ram. sellers want 100$+ so they would have to be willing to sell for 50$ because not gonna pay more for that old and being amd fx... and it's listed for a long time, no one is paying those prices.

 

What ram would you be using? You need unbuffered ecc ram, so most of the cheap ddr3 won't work on fx chips. 

 

But for a budget nas, Id skip ecc here. You don't need it for truenas/zfs any more than any other os, and its not a huge risk with a small home server.

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

those cables would extend the sas backplane of a hp server but this isn't my preferred option anyways, but still interested just to know.

i will use unbuffered ddr3 ecc ram, like i said, if i end up with amd fx or a xeon workstation, i will end up with ecc ram.

and after doing my truenas research i have decided if i use truenas i will use ecc. if you think that's not required that's ok.

[Electronics Wizardy]

25 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

those cables would extend the sas backplane of a hp server but this isn't my preferred option anyways, but still interested just to know.

What hp backplane are you using? If your using the onboard sata, you probalby can't use that hp backplane in the middle. 

 

25 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

and after doing my truenas research i have decided if i use truenas i will use ecc. if you think that's not required that's ok.

True nas doesn't need ecc more than any other os or system. Not having ecc has the same risk on true nas as your desktop or phone.

[LIGISTX]

32 minutes ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

truenas research i have decided if i use truenas i will use ecc. if you think that's not required that's ok.

It is not required. There used to be a rumor where without ECC there would be a "scrub of death", and a flipped bit in RAM would end up overwriting your entire pool with what it thought was correct checksum data, but this is actually not at all how that works. There is no such thing as a scrub of death.

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

ok thanks for the answers but like i said, i'm not here to argue about truenas/zfs and ecc.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

My e8400 at 4.3g will still beat an fx in single core if you need a reference to how bad amd fx is

 

You may be interested in one of those 1155/1150 based storage servers on ebay you can find used for ~100$ iirc, supports ecc (the cheap registered stuff), expandable, and dirt cheap. Alternative would be a 2011 based storage server if the 1155/1150 stuff is overpriced/unavailable

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

because of using it for truenas i don't really care about the performance of the fx, but more about power usage.

shipping is expensive on ebay up to 50$ and other reasons make it really unappealing to me : \

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

48 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

My e8400 at 4.3g will still beat an fx in single core if you need a reference to how bad amd fx is

 

You may be interested in one of those 1155/1150 based storage servers on ebay you can find used for ~100$ iirc, supports ecc (the cheap registered stuff), expandable, and dirt cheap. Alternative would be a 2011 based storage server if the 1155/1150 stuff is overpriced/unavailable

Heck it was barely able to outperform its predecessor the Phenom II (and in a lot of cases straight up got beaten). The whole bulldozer module idea of sharing resources between pairs of cores really didn’t work. It’s the true OG waste of sand before the Intel Core 11 series.

[FK FOSS it is Socialism]

fujitsu celsius with E3 1230, rest of it not important, care only about case, mainboard and cpu for 60$ sounds better than 50$ amd fx right?

edit: unsure but looks like the model is w510

[tkitch]

7 hours ago, FK FOSS it is Socialism said:

ok thanks for the answers but like i said, i'm not here to argue about truenas/zfs and ecc.

No, people are trying to tell you to not by really bad, overpriced hardware to support a feature that /really/ has no bearing on any actual functionality.