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This Bizarre Fan Cost $1100?!

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It maybe not look like your typical PC case fan, but this Piezoelectric Fan is worth its high price tag to SOMEONE. For more piezo-related content, check out blog.piezo.com

 

 

 

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I didnt saw the temperature results 😞

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To be fair. It is a simple "fan", and it has pros and cons.

 

Though, the "no wear surfaces" is incorrect. Even fiberglas weakens over time from vibrations, same for a lot of other materials. However, as long as one doesn't push it too far, the wear isn't majorly problematic.

 

In regards to mains frequencies, well the voltage can be all over the place. But frequency of most grids in the world is within a few % on bad days, and often far more accurate. Especially the over time average. (Honestly speaking, the grid as far as time keeping in concerned is practically like having an atomic clock, all though the short term accuracy is rather lousy.)

 

However, the main advantages of a fan like this is that it has a lower risk of creating sparks from abrasion. Something rotating fans can at times do. However, Piezoelectric devices often needs fairly high voltages, so that largely returns the risk of sparks.

 

Personally I would have gone for something less high voltage. Like a coil near a magnet. Driving that would be fairly simple. (And long term reliability wouldn't be much different, speakers for an example aren't particularly known to just die of wear. And the coil approach is likely a lot cheaper and easier to build. Winding copper coils is a lot simpler than working with piezoelectric materials.)

 

Also, the steam deck could drive the fan.

The "lack of AC" is about as much a problem as its lack of voltage.

One can use a DC-DC converter to get whatever voltage one desires, and converting to AC can be done with an H bridge and filtering. So driving this shouldn't be any issue.

However, if it used a coil instead of Piezo elements, then it wouldn't need even close to as high voltages.

 

Also, looking over their website.
They sure make weird claims.
"Thin Profile" doesn't sound all that logical considering the width of the blade and the fact it oscillates a fair distance to either side. So volumetrically speaking it takes up a lot of space. (however, logically one could stack a bunch of them besides each other, though curious to how that would impact airflow in practice since it would partly negate some of the reason why it creates airflow.)

"No EMI" Is factually incorrect since it is an electrical device that operates away from DC. Especially at a fairly well tuned frequency too, so EMI is expected, however since it is driven from mains frequencies one already likely has accepted that mains frequencies are something one's application will have to contend with. (More correctly one would say "low EMI" like honest manufactures do. Or "ultra low EMI" that also is used in the industry.)

"Instant starting with no power surge" is likewise debatable, how long does it take for it to get up into oscillation? Not to mention get airflow moving? Regular fans starts fairly instantly too, the main limit is honestly the inertia of the air itself. (Compressed air cooling controlled via a valve is far more applicable to call "instantly starting") And the "no power surge" is a bit odd as well, since the element is effectively a capacitor. So plug that in outside of the zero crossing point of the mains cycle and you will get one heck of a surge... (However, their intended driver largely solves that issue.)

And the driver is a nice source for mains harmonics... So there went their argument for "No EMI" again. However, one can use one's own driver. (the schematics for their driver is provided on their website.)

 

It is an interesting device. But I simply can't take the manufacturers of it seriously.

It is likewise debatable if they have patented it or not. It isn't stated on their website, anywhere, and a similar set of patens to exist. (The most similar one filed by Intel back in 2004: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060138905A1/en)

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Those were common back in the Mac Plus days. The machines had no fans or hard drives, so they were dead silent when the floppy drive wasn't doing anything. Of course third party upgrades were available, which stressed the relatively weak analog boards, which necessitated active cooling, which infuriated a user base unaccustomed to noise...

 

I don't think they cost over a grand at the time though!

 

 

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IDK how that is $1100. You can buy fans that run off of heat similar to a peltier cooler.

https://www.amazon.com/VODA-4-Blade-Fireplace-Increases-Friendly/dp/B01CD2AIV8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1IGTWL4ZX8DSS&keywords=piezoelectric%2Bfan&qid=1659465982&sprefix=piezoelectric%2Bfan%2Caps%2C98&sr=8-2&th=1

I wonder if you could integrate the fans power in a CPU cooler from the heat of the CPU itself

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3 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

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It helps that there was a CRT with all of the related circuitry, including high voltage lines.

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2 hours ago, Senzelian said:

I don't get it, why are these prices wrong?

It almost looks like they're trying to say they have $400 worth of Corsair ML120 fans in their office. None of the prices even add up to what they have on the table (11 ML120s don't cost $400)

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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He said that a tiny Noctua draws "as low as 1Watt".

I would like to say that I have a Lab Power supply and I tested my fans because of FoldingAtHome, and the Noctua NF A14 ULN (14cm and 800RPM) draws 0.02Amps at 12v.

This equals to 240mW (0.24Watt) for one fan blowing a solid amount of air compared to that tiny Noctua fan.

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10 hours ago, BuckGup said:

IDK how that is $1100.

Well i mean, like they said it doesn't actually cost that much to make...they just sell it in so low quantities.  It's like supply and demand almost, there is only a few made a year so to make up for that they sell it at a really high cost.

 

5 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

It almost looks like they're trying to say they have $400 worth of Corsair ML120 fans in their office. None of the prices even add up to what they have on the table (11 ML120s don't cost $400)

Canadian pricing?  If there were 11 of them (I don't know didn't count) on the desk then that is at least within margin of error.  At $33 a pop, and 12 of them it would add to about $400.  I don't know, I'm too lazy to count.

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14 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

It almost looks like they're trying to say they have $400 worth of Corsair ML120 fans in their office. None of the prices even add up to what they have on the table (11 ML120s don't cost $400)

Also the Ruck fan can be found by other manufacturers for around $60-$100 

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2 questions in mind 

1. Will it be possible to make it work under water, as it would a safer alternative to propellers on most ships? 

2. Will it be possible to maintain it work with solar panel? 

I wonder if making a full electric boat with that kind of low energy motor will be possible. 

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On 8/2/2022 at 8:56 PM, bal723 said:

I didnt saw the temperature results 😞

Man, I was rewinding the video looking for the answer.

RTX 3080 | Ryzen 9 5900X | 32GB RAM |

 

 

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