looking for help to optimize my new pc build

[VaderFrank]

Budget (including currency): about 3000 euro's (excluded monitor)

Country: The Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: programming, 3D rendering and big boi gaming

Other details 4K, at least 144HZ

List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWKhKp

Hey everybody,

 

I'm looking to build a new PC!

I made a list of components that seemed good but I was wondering if there are better parts for this build and if there would be a bottleneck.

Also i'm not sure about the cooling if this will suffice.

thx in advance.

[PDifolco]

There's no link to a list

 

[VaderFrank]

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[brob]

57 minutes ago, VaderFrank said:

Budget (including currency): about 3000 euro's (excluded monitor)

Country: The Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: programming, 3D rendering and big boi gaming

Other details 4K, at least 144HZ

List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWKhKp

Hey everybody,

 

I'm looking to build a new PC!

I made a list of components that seemed good but I was wondering if there are better parts for this build and if there would be a bottleneck.

Also i'm not sure about the cooling if this will suffice.

thx in advance.

 

Nice. I wonder at using a 970 Evo and 980 Pro. Given the price difference I would suggest two 980 Pro.

 

[PDifolco]

Ok

To me DDR5 is currently an useless cash sink.. 

And I think there's a lot of room for improvements 

 

- DDR4 board first, cheaper and much cheaper RAM

- Better cheaper cooler (no idea why the U12-A is more expensive than the D-15..)

- Unless you have a specific need, a 1TB boot/software PCie4 drive is enough

- Your case was a bit midrangish for such a build, I suggest a more premium one

- With the saved cash, you can then upgrade to a 3080ti (which is the best, once the useless overpriced 3090 is put aside  )

- Now you need a bit more power, so a 1000W PSU

 

Eventually it ends up cheaper (with a Netherlands located list, yours was US..)

PCPartPicker Part List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/JGGF4s

 

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K 3.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€632.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  (€109.90 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€239.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: Kingston Fury Renegade RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (€159.72 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€137.99 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€209.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB VENTUS 3X OC Video Card  (€1049.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: NZXT H7 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€135.95 @ Azerty) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€179.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €2852.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-03 23:10 CEST+0200

 

[GeorgeMKane]

1 hour ago, VaderFrank said:

Budget (including currency): about 3000 euro's (excluded monitor)

Country: The Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: programming, 3D rendering and big boi gaming

Other details 4K, at least 144HZ

List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWKhKp

Hey everybody,

 

I'm looking to build a new PC!

I made a list of components that seemed good but I was wondering if there are better parts for this build and if there would be a bottleneck.

Also i'm not sure about the cooling if this will suffice.

thx in advance.

Recommend these changes... The H7 Flow has better airflow, and allows for more case fans, etc. etc. I added the 3 140mm fans for the front of the case, which should be mounted as intake fans. You can move the pre-installed front fan to the top-back of the case.  

 

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/zrMHRv

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€443.96 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler  (€99.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€239.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (€203.90 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN750 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€128.63 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN750 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€202.95 @ Megekko) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB LHR 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING LHR Video Card  (€1102.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: NZXT H7 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€139.90 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€179.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: NZXT AER RGB 2 91.19 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€25.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: NZXT AER RGB 2 91.19 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€25.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: NZXT AER RGB 2 91.19 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€25.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
€2816.94

Edited July 3, 2022 by GeorgeMKane

[venomtail]

I think this will perform as well as most other posts here and is cheaper. 6900XT trades blows with the 3080ti and has far better availability and price:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€362.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€64.90 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€157.99 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€132.89 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€89.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB Red Devil Ultimate Video Card  (€1170.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€84.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€179.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€16.89 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€16.89 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€16.89 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €2292.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-04 11:58 CEST+0200

[VaderFrank]

On 7/3/2022 at 10:59 PM, brob said:

 

Nice. I wonder at using a 970 Evo and 980 Pro. Given the price difference I would suggest two 980 Pro.

 

That might have been a missclick, whoops.

[VaderFrank]

On 7/3/2022 at 11:10 PM, PDifolco said:

Ok

To me DDR5 is currently an useless cash sink.. 

And I think there's a lot of room for improvements 

 

- DDR4 board first, cheaper and much cheaper RAM

- Better cheaper cooler (no idea why the U12-A is more expensive than the D-15..)

- Unless you have a specific need, a 1TB boot/software PCie4 drive is enough

- Your case was a bit midrangish for such a build, I suggest a more premium one

- With the saved cash, you can then upgrade to a 3080ti (which is the best, once the useless overpriced 3090 is put aside  )

- Now you need a bit more power, so a 1000W PSU

 

Eventually it ends up cheaper (with a Netherlands located list, yours was US..)

PCPartPicker Part List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/JGGF4s

 

CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K 3.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€632.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  (€109.90 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€239.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: Kingston Fury Renegade RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (€159.72 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€137.99 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€209.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB VENTUS 3X OC Video Card  (€1049.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: NZXT H7 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€135.95 @ Azerty) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€179.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €2852.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-03 23:10 CEST+0200

 

Would the DDR5 be more future-proof? 

[VaderFrank]

On 7/4/2022 at 11:59 AM, venomtail said:

I think this will perform as well as most other posts here and is cheaper. 6900XT trades blows with the 3080ti and has far better availability and price:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€362.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€64.90 @ Azerty) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€157.99 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€132.89 @ Azerty) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€89.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB Red Devil Ultimate Video Card  (€1170.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€84.90 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€179.00 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€16.89 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€16.89 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€16.89 @ Amazon Netherlands) 
Total: €2292.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-04 11:58 CEST+0200

i don't know much about GPU's, but wasn't the 3080ti better for 4k? Also would the 3080ti be more future-proof? 

[PDifolco]

11 minutes ago, VaderFrank said:

Would the DDR5 be more future-proof? 

 

No more than early 2400MHz DDR4 is present proof... sure at one moment you'll have to upgrade, but DDR5 is still not that better than DDR4, and super pricey

 

7 minutes ago, VaderFrank said:

i don't know much about GPU's, but wasn't the 3080ti better for 4k? Also would the 3080ti be more future-proof? 

3080Ti is a tad faster, maybe 5-10% for 20% more money, so not a great deal imo, and the difference isn't large enough to make the Ti lasts for really longer, I mean both would be obsolete together in 3-4 generations (like a 780 is currently, still works but not great)

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, VaderFrank said:

i don't know much about GPU's, but wasn't the 3080ti better for 4k?

Yes, the 3080ti will get you 5fps more at best and -10fps at worst when you spend an additional 250euro. I don't think it's worth it one bit. I was thinking of the 3080ti myself until I saw how much cheaper the 6900XT is when you basically get the same FPS.

 

1 hour ago, VaderFrank said:

Also would the 3080ti be more future-proof? 

No such things as future-proof hardware. All hardware is gonna be outdated no matter the marketing budget nor what popular youtubers use to make their computers. No way of telling how well a generation is gonna perform in the long term, but we for sure now can know that their relevancy will be greatly expanded thanks to upscaling technology like DLSS and FSR.

Personally I now have my first ever Radeon card and I'm far more impressed with it than when I was with Nvidia, especially comparing ReLive to Shadowplay.

[brob]

3 hours ago, VaderFrank said:

Would the DDR5 be more future-proof? 

 

Some software has noticeably better performance with DDR5. Check the benchmarks for your workflows.

[VaderFrank]

So everyone has suggested the i7 instead of the new gen i9 is there a particular reason for this?

[brob]

4 minutes ago, VaderFrank said:

So everyone has suggested the i7 instead of the new gen i9 is there a particular reason for this?

 

I don't think that is an accurate assesment. One posts liked the OP build. One post suggested a different i9-12900K build. One build with an i7-12700K and another with an i7-12700 were also suggested. 

 

There is little performance difference between the i7 and i9. You will need to check benchmarks for your rendering software to decide if the i9 makes more sense.

[VaderFrank]

20 minutes ago, brob said:

 

I don't think that is an accurate assesment. One posts liked the OP build. One post suggested a different i9-12900K build. One build with an i7-12700K and another with an i7-12700 were also suggested. 

 

There is little performance difference between the i7 and i9. You will need to check benchmarks for your rendering software to decide if the i9 makes more sense.

Ah yes It seems i drew the wrong conclusion thanks anyway, everyone here has been really helpful in the decision making process so far. Thank you so much

[brob]

1 hour ago, brob said:

There is little performance difference between the i7 and i9. You will need to check benchmarks for your rendering software to decide if the i9 makes more sense.

 

Should read "... little gaming performance difference ...."

[VaderFrank]

Hi again after corroborating all the information and opinions you guys have given me I've come up with this: 
List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/8Mjpmr

Im curious about any final opinions you all might have.

 

[brob]

1 hour ago, VaderFrank said:

Hi again after corroborating all the information and opinions you guys have given me I've come up with this: 
List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/8Mjpmr

Im curious about any final opinions you all might have.

 

 

Not a fan of the case. Airflow is not as good as a mesh front model.

 

Outer fan of NH-D15 overhangs memory area. Little point in using RGB memory modules. The outer fan may have to be raised to clear memory.

 

Rather than the NH-D15, you might consider an AIO. A z63 or z73 would complement the fan lighting, provide better CPU cooling, and expose the memory lighting.

[VaderFrank]

Hi here is the New Final List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/mgFyqm.

Any thoughts?

[mdtaUK]

Looks like someone is flexing

Will be plenty powerful for a good few years.  Guessing you brought the NZXT Fans to match the AIO Cooler you picked.

[brob]

2 hours ago, VaderFrank said:

Hi here is the New Final List: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/mgFyqm.

Any thoughts?

 

Not a fan of the plastic front piece on the case.

[Avocheeseado]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/JFsrY9

I would recommend this. I only went with DDR5 as it was a similar price to 3600 mhz c16 ddr4, and the motherboard was not too much more than a ddr4 one. Obviously in the future, you could upgrade to faster DDR5 later down the line when it is released (the mobo supports up to 6400mhz)

[VaderFrank]

On 7/14/2022 at 2:45 PM, mdtaUK said:

Looks like someone is flexing

Will be plenty powerful for a good few years.  Guessing you brought the NZXT Fans to match the AIO Cooler you picked.

I wanted to build it in the NZXT H7 elite. But after hearing it has 0 airflow I decided to go for a different case.

[VaderFrank]

On 7/14/2022 at 4:52 PM, brob said:

 

Not a fan of the plastic front piece on the case.

I'm not sure ether, but i think the H7 flow would cover the rgb to much.