PC Died - Here's my options as I see them

[Aramith]

Budget (including currency): $2000

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Call of Duty Warzone, Elden Ring, Overwatch and Game Development

Other details

A PC that I built in 2016 recently died and I find myself in a bit of a weird spot.  I see several upgrade paths ahead of me but I'm not sure which one to go with.  I plan on using as many parts as I can from my previous build: 

CPU Cooler	Lian Li GALAHAD AIO 360 RGB UNI FAN SL120 EDITION 58.54 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard	Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 CL15 Memory
Storage	Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Storage	Crucial BX200 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage	Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage	Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Founders Edition Video Card
Case	Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply	EVGA G2 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
Case Fan	Lian Li UNI FAN AL120 64.5 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack
Monitor	LG 27QN600-B 27.0" 2560x1440 75 Hz Monitor
Monitor	LG 34GP83A-B 34.0" 3440x1440 144 Hz Monitor
Keyboard	Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse	Glorious PC Gaming Race Model O Wireless Optical Mouse
Webcam	Logitech C922 Pro Stream HD Webcam
Custom	Sound BlasterX G6
Custom	Kanto YU Powered Bookshelf Speakers
Custom	Drop + Sennheiser PC38X Gaming Headset

Unfortunately the motherboard and CPU no longer work.  Here's the upgrade paths I see that I could take:

 

Option 1 - Intel 12th Gen

CPU	Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory

 

Option 2 - Ryzen 5000 series

CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor
Motherboard	Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory	G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4800 CL20 Memory

Option 3 - Wait

With Intel's Raptor Lake as as well AMD's Zen4 coming out this fall, I could simply just wait.  Granted, I have a PC that I do most of my game development on but having something ancillary to fall back on when it locks up is helpful.  I'm just not sure if waiting is worth it.

 

Option 4 - Community Suggestions

This would only be the third computer I've ever built and I don't know everything.  So I'm certainly open to suggestions.

Thanks in advance for help and consideration!

 

Edit: Fixed a typo

[aisle9]

It sounds like we might be very close on knowing what Ryzen 7000 is going to look like. At this point, it might not hurt to wait it out. If you'd rather just plug something in now, the 12700K is sitting at $380. I would probably opt for the 5900X ($425) over the 5800X if Zen 3's the route you go at this point (and that route is fine--I just bought a 5600).

[Aramith]

19 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

It sounds like we might be very close on knowing what Ryzen 7000 is going to look like. At this point, it might not hurt to wait it out. If you'd rather just plug something in now, the 12700K is sitting at $380. I would probably opt for the 5900X ($425) over the 5800X if Zen 3's the route you go at this point (and that route is fine--I just bought a 5600).

Yeah I just hope that September 15th is the rumored launch date.  Is there any other information that just surfaced?

[Kid.Lazer]

Don't forget the early-adopter bugs that are a-plenty on new hardware releases. For me? I'd go Ryzen 5000/Intel 12th Gen just for knowing it works correctly, today.

[Aramith]

2 minutes ago, Kid.Lazer said:

Don't forget the early-adopter bugs that are a-plenty on new hardware releases. For me? I'd go Ryzen 5000/Intel 12th Gen just for knowing it works correctly, today.

That's a very valid point.  Between the two, which is better to pick?

[dizmo]

Personally I'd just wait. You already have something to use, and we're very close to the new processors.

Though, do keep in mind you'll have to pay the extra for DDR5.

 

Do you know what failed? If so, I'd suggest just replacing that part. Z170 boards and their CPUs are very affordable.

 

Just now, Kid.Lazer said:

Don't forget the early-adopter bugs that are a-plenty on new hardware releases. For me? I'd go Ryzen 5000/Intel 12th Gen just for knowing it works correctly, today.

That...doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There isn't a lot that changes in regards to processors that get worked out over time, unless it's a completely new design (like first gen Ryzen).

[Kid.Lazer]

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

There isn't a lot that changes in regards to processors that get worked out over time, unless it's a completely new design (like first gen Ryzen).

I mean, we don't really know what they'll be like as they don't exist yet, and particularly on the AMD side, this will be a brand new architecture on a new socket with a new chipset with DDR5. That's ripe for issues.

 

And even 12th gen still has a bit of Windows core scheduling nonsense to be worked out.

 

It's not like I'm saying the system will burn to the ground just because it's new, but there will be little things here and there on a new platform - always.

[aisle9]

6 minutes ago, Kid.Lazer said:

Don't forget the early-adopter bugs that are a-plenty on new hardware releases. For me? I'd go Ryzen 5000/Intel 12th Gen just for knowing it works correctly, today.

Any "early-adopter bugs" that come up are going to be 7 days (max) and one AGESA update from being fixed. The biggest arguments against Ryzen 7000 are the pricey switch to DDR5 and the very real possibility that it's superseded in a year or less by a refined Ryzen 8000/9000/whatever, kind of like what happened with Ryzen 1000 to 2000 or Intel's Pointless Lake to Coffee Lake.

[Aramith]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Do you know what failed? If so, I'd suggest just replacing that part. Z170 boards and their CPUs are very affordable.

Honestly at this point - I think it's a cavalcade of failures and I can't figure it out.

 

 

Above are the temps of my CPU from right before everything started (I was typing on Reddit during that screenshot).  After breadboarding with multiple coolers and CPUs, I couldn't get anything to post consistently.  I did check my PSU with a voltmeter though and verified that it's working. It's 6 years old, but still in working order.

[An0maly_76]

There are only two reasons to wait... an opportunity to pay through the nose for the latest and greatest with performance not likely to be tapped hard for several years to come, or the (MAYBE) price drops on current hardware that come with the release of newer hardware. For example, I don't see AM5 being necessary for awhile to come, and by the time it is, prices on the DDR5 memory and PCIe4 storage required will have dropped quite a bit. Especially when current hardware doesn't even breathe hard.

 

For example, I just built a 5900X with an RTX3060ti that screams, scoring better on CineBench R23 than expected, even without RAM OC or PBO. Playing American Truck Simulator on moderate to high detail, I see less than 3% CPU utilization. So I feel that even if there are earth-shattering breakthroughs in the gaming software market in the next few years, I need only buy an RTX4000-series a few years down the road when "grand opening" prices have dropped, or the more desirable drop on the 3090 when the 4000-series are released.

 

Which is to say, I look at bang-for-the-buck. For what some 3080ti / 3090 cards have been going for, I nearly built an entire machine, and anyone could complete a rather competent build. That's not to say there's anything wrong with wanting the latest and greatest, I just don't think it's worth paying through the nose for it simply for bragging rights when it's new, as the 5900X and RTX3060ti are plenty capable despite being around about 1-2 years, and don't even break a sweat in many cases. My 5900X build cost around $2500 then, now around $2000-$2200, and you can downgrade my build to a 5800X (only slightly less capable) for $1600-$1700 today. I'd be willing to wager that a new AM5 build will likely cost 50%-150% more. Just my $0.02.

Edited June 27, 2022 by An0maly_76
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[venomtail]

7 hours ago, An0maly_76 said:

I'd be willing to wager that a new AM5 build will likely cost 50%-150% more. Just my $0.02.

And watch AMD get some ugly ass boards as usual again smh my head  some glossy black plastic RGB puke as always.

Hope AMD gets some beauties like the GODLIKE,  ACE or the Aero.

[venomtail]

Personally I'm waiting for next Ryzen announcement and benchmarks. Recommend you do the same. I have a 2019 system which isn't showing its age but my miniITX case has growing pains, for obvious reasons. Either that or I rebuild my system in an ATX case before its no longer made and maybe upgrade to a 5700X and a 3070/80ti. Unless Ryzen 7000 is really good and worth the early adopters tax.

[Aramith]

So let's say I don't wait, which option should I go for?  Intel or AMD?  And if Intel, do I go for DDR4?

[Ryuikko]

30 minutes ago, Aramith said:

So let's say I don't wait, which option should I go for?  Intel or AMD?  And if Intel, do I go for DDR4?

I'd recommend intel with ddr4

[dizmo]

21 hours ago, Kid.Lazer said:

I mean, we don't really know what they'll be like as they don't exist yet, and particularly on the AMD side, this will be a brand new architecture on a new socket with a new chipset with DDR5. That's ripe for issues.

 

And even 12th gen still has a bit of Windows core scheduling nonsense to be worked out.

 

It's not like I'm saying the system will burn to the ground just because it's new, but there will be little things here and there on a new platform - always.

There's a new socket every 2 years with Intel. It rarely brings that many problems with it. DDR5 is the same, it's been pretty much problem free, other than availability.

Though, it is AMD, so...that's always a little more worrisome.

21 hours ago, Aramith said:

Honestly at this point - I think it's a cavalcade of failures and I can't figure it out.

 

 

Above are the temps of my CPU from right before everything started (I was typing on Reddit during that screenshot).  After breadboarding with multiple coolers and CPUs, I couldn't get anything to post consistently.  I did check my PSU with a voltmeter though and verified that it's working. It's 6 years old, but still in working order.

I think with the proper amount of time spent investigating you'll find that's not the case. It's pretty unlikely that multiple pieces failed at once. I'd test the RAM, and if that's fine maybe look at getting a cheap LGA1151 motherboard. They can be had for around $35.

[Aramith]

On 6/28/2022 at 6:42 PM, dizmo said:

I'd test the RAM, and if that's fine maybe look at getting a cheap LGA1151 motherboard. They can be had for around $35.

I couldn't find any for less than $118.  Where'd you find one for $35?

[dizmo]

Just now, Aramith said:

I couldn't find any for less than $118.  Where'd you find one for $35?

You just have to watch auctions for a week or so and something will pop up. I bought an LGA1151 motherboard with 32GB of RAM for $60 recently.