[Updated] Apple  WWDC 2022 - What was announced and stuff

[tim0901]

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

The M2 looks like a pretty big step up from the M1. Not sure why people are saying it's "just" an incremental update.

18% higher CPU performance.

35% faster GPU performance.

40% faster NPU.

50% higher memory bandwidth.

Support for more memory.

Upgraded media engine.

 

 

I am mostly disappointed that Apple still does not seem to support AV1.

Also, let's hope the power consumption stays the same (edit: It is at the same power!).

In terms of pure CPU performance I can't say I'm particularly impressed - an 18% improvement isn't much of an upgrade for a 2-year cycle. AMD has achieved that level of improvement basically every 15 months with Ryzen (although that may change with Zen 4 - who knows).

 

To me the GPU upgrade is much more interesting as that was a "weak point" of the SOC - CPU perf was already really good after all. The memory bandwidth  is also interesting as that was already really good - I wonder how much of the GPU upgrade is due to this? The NPU upgrade is also kinda interesting, but I've no idea how much it's actually used so idk if it is a meaningful upgrade to consumers.

[tim0901]

5 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

Good to know that my 6th gen iPad with an A10 Fusion chip will still get iPadOS 16

Important to note however that the new multitasking features (Stage Manager) will only come to M1-equipped iPads. This is by far the biggest disappointment of the event for me as it's - as far as I can tell - a purely arbitrary move to try and get people to buy new iPads. I can't think of any reason as to why the M1 would be necessary for this and it's a massive "fuck you" to 2020 (and even 2018) iPad Pro owners.

[Supreme Calamitas]

This phone as webcam feature is the least apple feature of all time, looks like Tim was inspired by some youtube life hacks

 

It just looks... cheesy? I think most people would agree

 

[thechinchinsong]

1 minute ago, Marko1600 said:

This phone as webcam feature is the least apple feature of all time, looks like Tim was inspired by some youtube life hacks

 

It just looks... cheesy

Hard agree with this one. The concept is not bad, but the execution is far from the usual Apple polish, as least in terms of looks.

[Supreme Calamitas]

14 minutes ago, thechinchinsong said:

Hard agree with this one. The concept is not bad, but the execution is far from the usual Apple polish, as least in terms of looks.

Right? I just googled phone life hacks and this image popped up

 

same vibe

 

[Roswell]

2 hours ago, Donut417 said:

That really kills me. Because after you spent a shit ton on a computer then you have to buy an expensive Dock in order to run more than 1 extra screen. For reference I run dual ultrawides on my Intel MacBook Pro. 

 

 

Im wondering if I should skip Mac OS 12 all together. I didnt install it because there were issues with the Intel Macs during the beginning. 

What issues specifically? The Bluetooth wake stuff was patched a good while ago. Anecdotally, I don’t have any noticeable bugs aside from Safari messing up colorspace on YouTube 4K videos, though that was also present in Big Sur.

[Donut417]

3 minutes ago, Roswell said:

What issues specifically?

Heard there was some bricking of the computer. Something with the T2 chip I believe. Windows 10 has given me PTSD when it comes to OS updates. So I have a tendency to wait until I feel they have polished it. 

[BondiBlue]

9 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Heard there was some bricking of the computer. Something with the T2 chip I believe. Windows 10 has given me PTSD when it comes to OS updates. So I have a tendency to wait until I feel they have polished it. 

The only issues I can think of that were like that happened when macOS Big Sur was first launched, and those issues were fixed very shortly after. 

[Donut417]

2 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

The only issues I can think of that were like that happened when macOS Big Sur was first launched, and those issues were fixed very shortly after. 

I 100% recall reading when 12 came out it has massive issues with Intel Macs specifically. So I have waited to install the updates.

 

Catalina was buggy for me, Big Sur was a huge improvement. 

[Roswell]

1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

Heard there was some bricking of the computer. Something with the T2 chip I believe. Windows 10 has given me PTSD when it comes to OS updates. So I have a tendency to wait until I feel they have polished it. 

Oh that was back when it came out. I think you had to have very specific circumstances for it to be an issue. It was fixed really fast afterwards.

[Donut417]

3 minutes ago, Roswell said:

Oh that was back when it came out. I think you had to have very specific circumstances for it to be an issue. It was fixed really fast afterwards.

Good to know. 

[Paul Thexton]

2 hours ago, Marko1600 said:

This phone as webcam feature is the least apple feature of all time, looks like Tim was inspired by some youtube life hacks

 

It just looks... cheesy? I think most people would agree

 

The thing that stood out to me about this is the situation of “Hey, you know how we finally added 1080p webcams after years of people complaining about the 720p potato cams? Why don’t you just use your iPhone as a webcam?”

 

That MagSafe monitor mount looks clumsy to me. I’m expecting Satechi to make something much more elegant in time for Ventura release.

[captain_to_fire]

29 minutes ago, Paul Thexton said:

That MagSafe monitor mount looks clumsy to me. I’m expecting Satechi to make something much more elegant in time for Ventura release.

One can save money by buying third party iPhone stands. I have one in my desk that also includes a mini ring light so I can feel like a vlogger while doing case presentations

[Belgarathian]

8 hours ago, Cyrus said:

Still only one external monitor... MacBook Air with M2 chip - Tech Specs - Apple

They done goofed. 

 

This is was the one limitation that is stopping me from buying an MBA a business machine

[Supreme Calamitas]

1 hour ago, Paul Thexton said:

The thing that stood out to me about this is the situation of “Hey, you know how we finally added 1080p webcams after years of people complaining about the 720p potato cams? Why don’t you just use your iPhone as a webcam?”

 

That MagSafe monitor mount looks clumsy to me. I’m expecting Satechi to make something much more elegant in time for Ventura release.

 @thechinchinsong

 

On the other hand, iphone 12 and above all have magnets...

 

Why didn't they just add magnets to the back of the air, so you can use it without the balkin mount??? 

 

Would limit compatibility but still...

 

I'm just glad they didn't add white bezels with the notch, black bezels on the pro are supposed to help us cope with the notch. White bezels would just exaggerate it.

 

Notch + white bezels = hell. and no, not the energy drink

 

 

[hishnash]

4 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Heard there was some bricking of the computer. Something with the T2 chip I believe. Windows 10 has given me PTSD when it comes to OS updates. So I have a tendency to wait until I feel they have polished it. 

When people said brick they meant needed to rep flash the firmware, this is a soft brick since you can undone it (if you have another Mac and a USB-C cable).  One neat feature of all of apples Macs from T2 onwards is you can fully flash and reset the firmware in the entier system even if a firmware upgrade fails mid way through the existing USB-C port on the device using software you can download from apple (the linux on M1 team even developed a version of this that runs on linux so you don't need a Mac just a linux machine with the correct USB-C hardware.. to have the needed driver support). 

Most other laptops on the market do not support this level of firmware recovery and if they do it will require you to open up the device and even that is not going to reset the firmware on you SSD controller or GPU. (unlike high end oc motherboards/gpus this is not considered a feature by most laptop makers). 

[saltycaramel]

So, looks like the iPad is about to finally reach drinking age in terms of being a kinda competent desktop substitute.

 

What if some Gen-Z completely skips owning a traditional Pc/Mac and just goes with iPad Air M1 + usb-c hub + cheap external monitor + mouse&kb + Sony/MS gaming controller ?

 

Benefits

- all-in-one device for both sitting at the desk and chilling on the sofa

- touch and pencil enabled

- built-in full disk backup to iCloud 

- extremely portable 

- optional 5G

- some native gaming

- gaming via streaming services (Geforce NOW, etc.)

- picture taking and document scanning 

- signing documents using the pencil

- reduced risk of malware

- hot developing platform for the latest apps compared to the Mac

- FaceID authentication (iPad Pro only)

- 3D scanning of objects/rooms via LIDAR (iPad Pro only)

 

Cons

- the occasional site that will have random issues unless it’s browsed via a desktop OS

- a lot less flexible, customizable and powerful than a desktop OS

 

Still.

[hishnash]

9 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I am mostly disappointed that Apple still does not seem to support AV1.

I don't see why they would both putting dedicated silicon for AV1 when they already have very good HEVC encode and decode and have paid for it. AV1 is really there for people who do not want to pay for HEVC.  All we really need is apple to start selling 1U rack mounted binned M1/M2 dies to cloud providers as video encoding stations to reduce the cost of encoding HEVC (typically doing this cloud side have a high license fee cost). 

[saltycaramel]

7 hours ago, tim0901 said:

Important to note however that the new multitasking features (Stage Manager) will only come to M1-equipped iPads. This is by far the biggest disappointment of the event for me as it's - as far as I can tell - a purely arbitrary move to try and get people to buy new iPads. I can't think of any reason as to why the M1 would be necessary for this and it's a massive "fuck you" to 2020 (and even 2018) iPad Pro owners.

 

Maybe the 8GB/16GB of RAM (compared to 3-4-6 GB of non-M1 iPads) could have something to do with that?

 

Stage Manager + external display will allow for a grand total of 8 open apps on screen at the same time…

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, hishnash said:

I don't see why they would both putting dedicated silicon for AV1 when they already have very good HEVC encode and decode and have paid for it. AV1 is really there for people who do not want to pay for HEVC.  All we really need is apple to start selling 1U rack mounted binned M1/M2 dies to cloud providers as video encoding stations to reduce the cost of encoding HEVC (typically doing this cloud side have a high license fee cost). 

Because:

1) AV1 is better than HEVC. It provides higher quality at the same bandwidth.

2) They are a member of AO Media and should therefore push for it.

3) AV1 is or will be used in several places that don't use HEVC. Youtube for example do not use HEVC, so having AV1 support would help a lot when watching Youtube, which is something a lot of people do.

4) We should support open standards when possible.

5) HEVC is not just a "pay once and forget about it". Apple has to keep paying in order to use HEVC. Every single time they sell a device that can use HEVC in some way, they have to pay a licensing fee. Why not use the free and objectively better alternative instead? Anything else is just a sunken cost fallacy.

 

Anyway, even if Apple were to sell a HEVC encoding service it would still be very expensive. The issue with HEVC is the licensing, not the hardware. 

[captain_to_fire]

12 hours ago, FakeKGB said:

But only A11 and up for iPhone (rip my iPhone 7)

Linus has a meme on Facebook. It's not like the Galaxy S7 and S9 can still get Android 13

 

[SavageNeo]

3 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Linus has a meme on Facebook. It's not like the Galaxy S7 and S9 can still get Android 13

 

Joshua is the basic boomer, that thinks he knows everythign that there is to know about technology, just like my dad.

[saltycaramel]

2 hours ago, saltycaramel said:

 Sony/MS gaming controller

 

New in iOS16 and iPadOS16: Nintendo controllers too. 

 

 

[LAwLz]

14 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Linus has a meme on Facebook. It's not like the Galaxy S7 and S9 can still get Android 13

I didn't really interpret that as an "Android vs iOS" post. I see it more as a "civil war" type of post, where iPhone 8 users are happy to get something iPhone 7 users won't.

Too bad people just can't help themselves. Someone said something remotely negative about an iPhone? Gotta justify being in the Apple camp by saying how bad Android is!

Someone said something remotely negative about Android? Gotta justify being in the Android camp by saying how bad iPhones are!

 

 

Anyway, you shouldn't compare iOS releases to Android releases. OS updates are far more essential on iOS than on Android.

On iOS, you can't even update several of the "stock apps" without doing an OS upgrade. No OS upgrades basically means your phone is stuck exactly the way it is.

Meanwhile, on Android, you can get some fairly major updates that aren't tied to a specific OS. Not only are all "stock apps" upgradable without an OS upgrade being needed, a ton of OS components are not tied to any particular OS version and as a result can be upgraded without an OS upgrade being needed. Google can add functions to Android whenever they want, and to any version they want. Nearby share was an example of this.

 

The whole comparison of "how many updates device X got vs device Y" or "how long it took to get OS version X on device Y" is kind of pointless because people are comparing apples and oranges.

 

 

18 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

Joshua is the basic boomer, that thinks he knows everythign that there is to know about technology, just like my dad.

How did you get that from his post?

All he said was that Apple does a better job than most Android device makers at providing software updates. I don't see how you come to the conclusion that "he thinks he knows everything" from that.

[hishnash]

2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

4) We should support open standards when possible.

 

The AV1 codec is open standard but there are no AV1 open hardware decoder/encoders all of that will be a mix of nasty patents. For someone making hardware it might well be much harder to deal with (and much more costly) than HEVC. Even if you design your own you need to ensure you don't accidentally infringe on someone else's implementation. 

 

2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

5) HEVC is not just a "pay once and forget about it". Apple has to keep paying in order to use HEVC. Every single time they sell a device that can use HEVC in some way, they have to pay a licensing fee. Why not use the free and objectively better alternative instead? Anything else is just a sunken cost fallacy.

They would need to do the same for any hardware decoder patents they licensed fro AV1.  AV1 is free but only in that anyone cant implement the spec but the spec does not include any suggestion of how to implement it in a power optimal way in modern silicon, the spec just includes a sub optimal software version as an example, even implementing a software solution of your own of AV1 could run the risk of breaching someone else patents with respect to how that is implemented, there is no license AV1 can create that means others cant patent was to decode it that are not included in the academic examples they provide.