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“lol this is dirt” Nvidia alleged to release a GTX 1630 in Late May.

Nvidia's answer to 6500XT?

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Probably to counter the RX 6500XT, 6500 and 6400.

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43 minutes ago, krakkpott said:

Probably to counter the RX 6500XT, 6500 and 6400.

2 hours ago, drdrewnatic said:

Nvidia's answer to 6500XT?

 

Nah, RX 6400 is on par with 1650, there's no way this 1630 will perform similar or better than 1650 imo. It just a successor to 1030. 

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7 hours ago, Moonzy said:

Releasing a low end card to replace the 1030 might not be such a bad idea if it were to lose driver support in the next few years

Don't think this will be happening anytime soon. The 900 series is still getting game-ready drivers (and the 700 series is still getting long-term security updates) so it's going to be a long time yet before the 1030 is killed off.

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6 minutes ago, tim0901 said:

Don't think this will be happening anytime soon. The 900 series is still getting game-ready drivers (and the 700 series is still getting long-term security updates) so it's going to be a long time yet before the 1030 is killed off.

so you think they should come out with a replacement the day before they end driver support and screw over people who bought the 1030 one week ago?

or maybe discontinue 1030 few years before end of driver support

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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17 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

so you think they should come out with a replacement the day before they end driver support and screw over people who bought the 1030 one week ago?

or maybe discontinue 1030 few years before end of driver support

Not at all. All I'm saying is that the reason for this card's existence is not solely that the 1030 is losing driver support soon. In the same way that the 1030 was not released solely because Nvidia was planning on removing support for the GT 710 shortly after - that card is still supported to this day.

 

Does the 1630 appear to fill the same niche as the 1030? Yes. But this new card exists for reasons beyond driver support.

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23 hours ago, ebprince the computer nerd said:

On May 31st (ish), Nvidia will be releasing a new GPU, the GTX 1630.

I bet a GTX 970, GTX 1060, R9 290, RX 570 and R9 390 will out perform this. It just seems like the rumored $150 is too high.

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5 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

I bet a GTX 970, GTX 1060, R9 290, RX 570 and R9 390 will out perform this. It just seems like the rumored $150 is too high.

How many of those can you buy new? Also none of those are suitable if you want to run without a power connector. Price we'll have to wait and see.

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On 5/25/2022 at 11:02 PM, MadAnt250 said:

I bet a GTX 970, GTX 1060,

do the model numbers have any meaning? where does a proposed 1630 fit compared to 1060?

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5 hours ago, Video Beagle said:

do the model numbers have any meaning? where does a proposed 1630 fit compared to 1060?

yes and no, kind of what family they are in. the 1600 GTX series is inbetween 1000 GTX to 2000 RTX series, the cards that are inbetween but might not perform better than some GTX cards, like in around a newer mid tier GTX card. That might include faster or newer GDDR and such.

So making a new low tier in that family is kind of confusing, as some consumers might think the 1600 series being newer and better than the 1000 series when it might not be.

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"Bread crumbs" is the exact term I believe.

... but I'm no expert.

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On 5/26/2022 at 6:15 AM, porina said:

How many of those can you buy new? Also none of those are suitable if you want to run without a power connector. Price we'll have to wait and see.

In a lot of cases, buying used can be a better option, just make sure the Power Supply is adequate enough for the graphics card.

 

People who can only use a GPU that does not need a power connector from the PSU and want to buy new, will have to pay what the MSRP was for the GTX 1650 or more. It's Nvidia being Mr. Crabs again.

15 hours ago, Video Beagle said:

do the model numbers have any meaning? where does a proposed 1630 fit compared to 1060?

Yes. The 1630 is least powerful of the GTX 1600 series line up so far. The cards I am betting on are roughly about similar or just under the performance of the GTX 1650, even though they are older. So by my guess an older GTX 1060, 3 or 6 GB, will outperform the GTX 1630 in many gaming scenarios.  

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6 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

People who can only use a GPU that does not need a power connector from the PSU and want to buy new, will have to pay what the MSRP was for the GTX 1650 or more. It's Nvidia being Mr. Crabs again.

Look at the world around. Everything is going up in price, even for non-silicon based products. Nvidia are not immune to this. The only thing we can expect is it should be somewhat below the 1650 in the longer term. Don't try comparing to past pricing. What you can get it for when you're buying is what matters.

 

It is up to a buyer to get something suitable for their uses. Yes, used can potentially offer better perf/$ but also comes with risks, and there are many non-perf factors to consider too.

 

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8 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

Yes. The 1630 is least powerful of the GTX 1600 series line up so far. The cards I am betting on are roughly about similar or just under the performance of the GTX 1650, even though they are older. So by my guess an older GTX 1060, 3 or 6 GB, will outperform the GTX 1630 in many gaming scenarios.  

 

18 hours ago, Quackers101 said:

yes and no, kind of what family they are in. the 1600 GTX series is inbetween 1000 GTX to 2000 RTX series, the cards that are inbetween but might not perform better than some GTX cards, like in around a newer mid tier GTX card. That might include faster or newer GDDR and such.

 

....ok..I have a 8gig 1070TI.....are these "better"?  From comments in this thread...should I be becoming concerned about my card becoming unsupported?

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59 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

....ok..I have a 8gig 1070TI.....are these "better"?  From comments in this thread...should I be becoming concerned about my card becoming unsupported?

almost 2x better performance  compare to GTX 1650. I reckon Nvidia will drop support for Pascal in 2-3 years. 
for Maxwell a.k.a 900 series, probably next year or 2. 

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1 hour ago, Video Beagle said:

 

 

....ok..I have a 8gig 1070TI.....are these "better"?  From comments in this thread...should I be becoming concerned about my card becoming unsupported?

No, these are low end cards.

You card is probably 3-4 times as powerful as this one. 

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On 5/25/2022 at 7:25 AM, ebprince the computer nerd said:

card that could hopefully retail at around $150

Same MSRP as the GTX 1650 and will probably replace the GT 1030...

It's part of their price increase campaign.

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A replacement for the GT 1030 and its $150, even price increases doesn't excuse a basic display output card for being the same MSRP as a GTX 1650. GPU's don't follow inflation either, GPU prices were reasonable until the RTX 2000 series.

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9 hours ago, porina said:

Look at the world around. Everything is going up in price, even for non-silicon based products. Nvidia are not immune to this. The only thing we can expect is it should be somewhat below the 1650 in the longer term. Don't try comparing to past pricing. What you can get it for when you're buying is what matters.

 

It is up to a buyer to get something suitable for their uses. Yes, used can potentially offer better perf/$ but also comes with risks, and there are many non-perf factors to consider too.

 

Even with inflation, this card's rumored or hoped for price is $35 too high, and that is me being fair.

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makes me wonder how it will even stay up against its own 1650 and RX 6400 GPUs.

Also how the price wouldn't do much of a favor to the 1630 being in the 1600 series, when the 6400 and 1650 is already market price might be 230 dollar from its 160 dollar price. so 180 dollar or so for this card is not great, might not run things and depending on its VRAM. but I guess the launch price if in stock, might be lower.

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2 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

A replacement for the GT 1030 and its $150, even price increases doesn't excuse a basic display output card for being the same MSRP as a GTX 1650. GPU's don't follow inflation either, GPU prices were reasonable until the RTX 2000 series.

People should just refuse to buy those cards at those prices forcing vendors to lower prices.

In 2011 i bought a mid-range card like the HD 6750 for $150,the basic display output card was the HD 5450 for $50.

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14 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

almost 2x better performance  compare to GTX 1650. I reckon Nvidia will drop support for Pascal in 2-3 years. 
for Maxwell a.k.a 900 series, probably next year or 2. 

Just look at the mobile support to see when they will drop it. Kepler mobile was dropped last year.

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 effective April 2019 Critical security updates will be available on systems utilizing mobile Kepler-series GPUs through April 2020.

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So if there is a three-four year lag from support to unsupported, then I'd say the Mobile Maxwell part support ends this year, and the desktop parts ends in 2026. Historically their support is about 7-9 years.

 

Then again, the most likely reasons for the discontinued drivers is because these parts are already being abandoned in the enterprise space. Like the laptops that have the Kepler parts were tossed 2 years ago, but most people who were still holding on to them were supposed to replace them 4 years ago. Desktops with them were still occasionally being found.

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, LAwLz said:

No, these are low end cards.

You card is probably 3-4 times as powerful as this one. 

I wish these model numbers were logical.....I mean, I get the irony of me, a mainly apple guy complaiing about confusing model naming, but sheesh.

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7 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

I wish these model numbers were logical.....I mean, I get the irony of me, a mainly apple guy complaiing about confusing model naming, but sheesh.

There is some logic to them, at least it works on mid to high end. Not so sure about the bottom end. For one generation advancement, equivalent performance is roughly 1 to 1.5 tiers lower positionally, for gaming performance at least. For example of cards I've owned, 980 Ti performs about the same as the 1070. 2080 Ti performs about the same as 3070. 1080 Ti performs a bit higher than 2070 (excluding RT games), maybe a 2070S is closer. This does not hold for compute uses where newer generations perform about a tier or more higher than gaming performance alone would indicate.

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36 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

I wish these model numbers were logical.....I mean, I get the irony of me, a mainly apple guy complaiing about confusing model naming, but sheesh.

The numbers are logical. It's just that the various positions of the numbers means different things, which is not intuitive. 

 

Since this card ends with "30", we know that it's a low end card. 

Your card thst ends with "70" was a high end card. 

Newer low end cards rarely outperform slightly older high end cards. 

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