How much of a difference really is there between 2400MHz 16gb vs 3200MHz 32GB for Intel i5 12400?

[cwgzz81]

Right now I am using the G.Skill F4-2400C17-8GIS DDR4 x2 sticks, and someone told me I need to upgrade because they are really slow. I am thinking about getting "TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR4 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MHz (PC4-25600) CL16 Desktop Memory Module Ram TF4D432G3200HC16FDC01" for my Gigabyte B660 Gaming X AX DDR4 Mobo. 

 

I am wondering if there is going to be a difference in performance and give me better FPS in games and stuff. Thank you so much. 

[DANK_AS_gay]

12 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

Right now I am using the G.Skill F4-2400C17-8GIS DDR4 x2 sticks, and someone told me I need to upgrade because they are really slow. I am thinking about getting "TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR4 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MHz (PC4-25600) CL16 Desktop Memory Module Ram TF4D432G3200HC16FDC01" for my Gigabyte B660 Gaming X AX DDR4 Mobo. 

 

I am wondering if there is going to be a difference in performance and give me better FPS in games and stuff. Thank you so much. 

Go for 16GB of faster memory. So a 3600mhz or even 4200 mhz kit of 16GB DDR4. 32 GB is not going to make a difference on a 12400. Faster RAM speeds tend to increase performance in games, especially on AMD, but it works for Intel. This is basically like the difference between XMP on and off.

[xAcid9]

14 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

I am wondering if there is going to be a difference in performance and give me better FPS in games and stuff. Thank you so much. 

Yes? Unless your GPU is weak and you're GPU limited all the time.

 

 

[porina]

It can improve performance, how much depends on the game or software. Gains are generally small, and as an upgrade it is probably not worth the effort.

 

Capacity wise, if you ever run out of 16GB, then having more will help too.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

I'd try overclocking what you currently have before going out and buying something new.

 

If someone told you that you "need" to upgrade, that person is wrong...

[Pandur]

That is an increase of 33% in transfer speed, with a slightly lower CAS latency as well. In any situation you are bottlenecked by memory transfers, this is a solid upgrade.

 

If you are ever bottlenecked by memory depends on the rest of your hardware.

Just now, DANK_AS_gay said:

Go for 16GB of faster memory. So a 3600mhz or even 4200 mhz kit of 16GB DDR4. 32 GB is not going to make a difference on a 12400.

Processor type does not equal how much memory capacity you can use. But I agree that 32GB is wasted if all you do is play games or watch youtube on a single monitor.

[DANK_AS_gay]

Just now, Pandur said:

That is an increase of 33% in transfer speed, with a slightly lower CAS latency as well. In any situation you are bottlenecked by memory transfers, this is a solid upgrade.

 

If you are ever bottlenecked by memory depends on the rest of your hardware.

Processor type does not equal how much memory capacity you can use. But I agree that 32GB is wasted if all you do is play games or watch youtube on a single monitor.

I am aware. I am saying that it would be pointless to use 32GB on a low end CPU.

[cwgzz81]

1 minute ago, Pandur said:

That is an increase of 33% in transfer speed, with a slightly lower CAS latency as well. In any situation you are bottlenecked by memory transfers, this is a solid upgrade.

 

If you are ever bottlenecked by memory depends on the rest of your hardware.

Processor type does not equal how much memory capacity you can use. But I agree that 32GB is wasted if all you do is play games or watch youtube on a single monitor.

No I definitely use a dual monitor like a normal human being... haha and I am usually around 10-12gb of used ram with all the stuff i do... 

[Heliian]

2 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

I am saying that it would be pointless to use 32GB on a low end CPU

*for gaming. 

 

 

 

 

[DANK_AS_gay]

Just now, cwgzz81 said:

No I definitely use a dual monitor like a normal human being... haha and I am usually around 10-12gb of used ram with all the stuff i do... 

If this is just for gaming, then you only really need 16GB, if this is for VM stuff as well, then 32GB might be worth it. Also, do you have XMP enabled?

[Moonzy]

18 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

and someone told me I need to upgrade because they are really slow.

i wouldnt run out to buy faster RAM, unless you need the extra capacity anyways

[DANK_AS_gay]

1 minute ago, Heliian said:

*for gaming. 

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

difference in performance and give me better FPS in games and stuff

[cwgzz81]

2 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

If this is just for gaming, then you only really need 16GB, if this is for VM stuff as well, then 32GB might be worth it. Also, do you have XMP enabled?

I don't think I do, I don't like overclocking because I am worried that something might break... 

[porina]

3 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

I am saying that it would be pointless to use 32GB on a low end CPU.

If you need more ram, you need more ram, regardless of the CPU itself. Not every use case is the same. Even in gaming, once when I tried modding a game I hit 60GB of 64GB in the system. Hate to think what would have happened if I tried that on a lesser system.

 

2 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

I am usually around 10-12gb of used ram with all the stuff i do... 

Then going up to 32GB is unlikely to help in itself.

[DANK_AS_gay]

2 hours ago, cwgzz81 said:

I don't think I do, I don't like overclocking because I am worried that something might break... 

XMP is a preselected profile made by Intel. You don't have to do anything but switch it to on. If the RAM breaks, it's the RAM manufacturers fault, not yours.

 

2 hours ago, porina said:

If you need more ram, you need more ram, regardless of the CPU itself. Not every use case is the same. Even in gaming, once when I tried modding a game I hit 60GB of 64GB in the system. Hate to think what would have happened if I tried that on a lesser system

1. Modding a game isn't common

2. 64GB of RAM isn't common

3. The game would have crashed

I am making assumptions because we do not have enough info on usecase. He said gaming. Most gaming, especially on a system using a mid-low tier CPU, is not going to use more than 16GB. Not even open world games. 

 

2 hours ago, cwgzz81 said:

I don't think I do, I don't like overclocking because I am worried that something might break... 

It also won't break lol. Just don't mess with advanced timing settings.

[Pandur]

10 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

I am aware. I am saying that it would be pointless to use 32GB on a low end CPU.

Your definition of low end is way off target. This is a mid tier CPU.

 

9 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

No I definitely use a dual monitor like a normal human being... haha and I am usually around 10-12gb of used ram with all the stuff i do... 

I assume this is with a modern game running and your normal sort of tasks on the side. Then you are fine with a 16GB kit for the near future. 32GB is more future proof if you plan to use your computer for some years. But absolutely unnecessary today.

[DANK_AS_gay]

Just now, Pandur said:

Your definition of low end is way off target. This is a mid tier CPU.

 

12600 is mid 12400 is the top of low tier. Plus, that is off topic. We are talking about a RAM upgrade, not where a CPU should be categorized.

[cwgzz81]

1 minute ago, Pandur said:

Your definition of low end is way off target. This is a mid tier CPU.

 

I assume this is with a modern game running and your normal sort of tasks on the side. Then you are fine with a 16GB kit for the near future. 32GB is more future proof if you plan to use your computer for some years. But absolutely unnecessary today.

I have the money so I am just gonna get 32GB now... 

[porina]

4 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

XMP is a preselected profile made by Intel. You don't have to do anything but switch it to on. If the RAM breaks, it's the RAM manufacturers fault, not yours.

XMP feature was defined by Intel but it is up the the ram module maker to define the profile supported. It is classed as overclocking. It is not 100% reliable. It can cause faster degradation to your CPU from raised IMC voltages most mobos pump through it for stability.

 

JEDEC standard ram would be preferable in this case. It is available at 3200 and doesn't require XMP to work at that speed. Only downside is latency is higher than enthusiast modules, and it can be harder to buy.

 

1 minute ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

1. Modding a game isn't common

It may not be the majority activity but is popular in PC gaming.

 

1 minute ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

3. The game would have crashed

It probably wouldn't, but my SSD might complain at the amount of swap it is asked to do.

 

1 minute ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Most gaming, especially on a system using a mid-low tier CPU, is not going to use more than 16GB. Not even open world games. 

CPU is irrelevant in how much ram is used. The game, the settings, the GPU will influence how much ram is used. Not the CPU.

 

[Pandur]

1 minute ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

12600 is mid 12400 is the top of low tier. Plus, that is off topic. We are talking about a RAM upgrade, not where a CPU should be categorized.

Pentium and Celeron are low end. i3 is arguably low end. Any i5 is well in the mid tier bracket. And you started this by qualifying your recommendation by CPU tier. I am just saying you are wrong, which means your argument is wrong. But OP have come to a conclusion, so this argument is moot anyway.

3 minutes ago, cwgzz81 said:

I have the money so I am just gonna get 32GB now... 

Case closed then. Best of luck.

[Moonzy]

23 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

If the RAM breaks, it's the RAM manufacturers fault, not yours.

uhh... sure

but if your CPU breaks (assuming you exceed the stock voltage and clock speed with XMP), that's on you

 

but no one can tell anyways so it's up to your honesty

[DANK_AS_gay]

2 hours ago, porina said:

CPU is irrelevant in how much ram is used. The game, the settings, the GPU will influence how much ram is used. Not the CPU.

 

It's hard to describe, but basically, there is no point getting 32GB+ on a 12400, those higher capacities are better for stuff like the 5950X or the 12900, high core CPUs meant for multitasking. Necessary RAM capacity is not directly linked to CPU performance, and is influenced by other factors, yes. But when we get

 

2 hours ago, cwgzz81 said:

Right now I am using the G.Skill F4-2400C17-8GIS DDR4 x2 sticks, and someone told me I need to upgrade because they are really slow. I am thinking about getting "TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR4 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MHz (PC4-25600) CL16 Desktop Memory Module Ram TF4D432G3200HC16FDC01" for my Gigabyte B660 Gaming X AX DDR4 Mobo. 

 

I am wondering if there is going to be a difference in performance and give me better FPS in games and stuff.

Here we have the CPU (from the title), the mobo, the current and planned RAM capacities and speed. Tell me, how was I supposed to make a judgment based off of the GPU is the GPU is not mentioned?

Plus, different CPUs have different usecases, a 6 core 12 thread CPU is meant for light multitasking and gaming, not VM/rendering or whatever else uses 24 cores. There is no point in 32GB for the intended usecase of this CPU.

 

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

that's on you

How often does XMP brick CPUs?

 

1 hour ago, Pandur said:

Pentium and Celeron are low end. i3 is arguably low end. Any i5 is well in the mid tier bracket. And you started this by qualifying your recommendation by CPU tier. I am just saying you are wrong, which means your argument is wrong. But OP have come to a conclusion, so this argument is moot anyway.

Case closed then. Best of luck.

I was talking about the current lineup of the Core processors. i3-i9. If you want low end, a P4 can still run Windows 10. But obviously that has no impact on this discussion. It is irrelevant. As such, Pentiums and Celerons (even the new ones) are irrelevant. Especially when considering 16+ GB of RAM, and talking about gaming.

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

How often does XMP brick CPUs?

-shrug- havent seen any, but in the off chance that it does, that's on the user

[DANK_AS_gay]

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

uhh... sure

but if your CPU breaks (assuming you exceed the stock voltage and clock speed with XMP), that's on you

 

but no one can tell anyways so it's up to your honesty

 

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

-shrug- havent seen any, but in the off chance that it does, that's on the user

As per above, looks safe to me.

[cwgzz81]

8 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

It's hard to describe, but basically, there is no point getting 32GB+ on a 12400, those higher capacities are better for stuff like the 5950X or the 12900, high core CPUs meant for multitasking. Necessary RAM capacity is not directly linked to CPU performance, and is influenced by other factors, yes. But when we get

 

Here we have the CPU (from the title), the mobo, the current and planned RAM capacities and speed. Tell me, how was I supposed to make a judgment based off of the GPU is the GPU is not mentioned?

Plus, different CPUs have different usecases, a 6 core 12 thread CPU is meant for light multitasking and gaming, not VM/rendering or whatever else uses 24 cores. There is no point in 32GB for the intended usecase of this CPU.

Sorry I didn't know mentioning the GPU would be helpful lol I have the GTX 1070Ti lol