Does upgrading from R5 3600 > R5 5600X make sense?

[Mark Kaine]

Im mostly concerned about my motherboard (b350, BIOS update should make it compatible) holding me back, wondering if i will even see any "latency improvements" for example?

 

i don't have any real issues with performance currently,  except when recording/ streaming there are sometimes stutters, but idk if that's more a software (OBS) problem rather than the cpu...

 

Or would a 8 core processor make more sense? Basically what can i expect from the 5600x?  

 

(specs in profile) 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

13 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

i don't have any real issues with performance currently,  except when recording/ streaming there are sometimes stutters, but idk if that's more a software (OBS) problem rather than the cpu

Then no it doesnt make sense, if you desire more performance then overclock your cpu, max volt = 1.45v but ryzen seems to scale mainly from temp so you prob wont even need to run >1.4v

[Mark Kaine]

24 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Then no it doesnt make sense, if you desire more performance then overclock your cpu, max volt = 1.45v but ryzen seems to scale mainly from temp so you prob wont even need to run >1.4v

The problem is, i cant overclock this cpu,  i tried... (i think i stopped at 1.4v 1.375v though) 

 

i guess I'd need to set LLC to 2 or something... when i oc a 2200G it was the same, didn't work until i set LLC 2... maybe just how this motherboard works?

 

... i also dont really see an alternative to 5600x, everything else seems too expensive for my likings, even an old ass 3800x cost more !

 

 

25 minutes ago, Mario Chamdjoko said:

It's good for you, but one thing you should consider is, that it's better if you upgrade your motherboard too, at least using 400 series, or maybe 500 series

yeah, sure, but thats the question,  how would it fare on the b350 board, i guess im looking for some real life impressions... because a new motherboard kind of doesn't make sense to me, financially. 

 

[freeagent]

I would. I did actually. From a 3600XT to 5600X. 
 

Solid bump in performance all across the board. It’s a much better CPU overall.

[Mister Woof]

3600 Still has some chops; I'd wait for next gen TBH then platform upgrade.

[steelo]

6 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

Im mostly concerned about my motherboard (b350, BIOS update should make it compatible) holding me back, wondering if i will even see any "latency improvements" for example?

 

i don't have any real issues with performance currently,  except when recording/ streaming there are sometimes stutters, but idk if that's more a software (OBS) problem rather than the cpu...

 

Or would a 8 core processor make more sense? Basically what can i expect from the 5600x?  

 

(specs in profile) 

If you don't have any performance issues, then save your money. I have a pretty lowly r5 2600 and can't convince myself to upgrade quite yet.

[Mark Kaine]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

If you don't have any performance issues, then save your money. I have a pretty lowly r5 2600 and can't convince myself to upgrade quite yet.

yeah, i was just wondering,  especially on this motherboard... and well I dont have performance issues... OBS is another question though... its sometimes like it prioritizes the game instead of the recording/ stream... which is good imo, but it is noticeable when watching... (seems pretty random too)

 

But then idk if thats a processor issue... i mean this can totally happen when cpu and gpu have low usage so its not necessarily that.

 

could be i really need a 8c/16c ... (video editing is also pretty slow unless i use NVENC)

[steelo]

6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah, i was just wondering,  especially on this motherboard... and well I dont have performance issues... OBS is another question though... its sometimes like it prioritizes the game instead of the recording/ stream... which is good imo, but it is noticeable when watching... (seems pretty random too)

 

But then idk if thats a processor issue... i mean this can totally happen when cpu and gpu have low usage so its not necessarily that.

 

could be i really need a 8c/16c ... (video editing is also pretty slow unless i use NVENC)

OBS has never worked well for me either...IMO, it isn't your hardware. What gpu are you using?

[Mark Kaine]

Just now, steelo said:

OBS has never worked well for me either...IMO, it isn't your hardware. What gpu are you using?

yeah im thinking the same,  its probably just buggy... Nvidia shadowplay is even worse... most of the time OBS is pretty good actually.  And gpu is a 3070 vision OC. 

[steelo]

6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah im thinking the same,  its probably just buggy... Nvidia shadowplay is even worse... most of the time OBS is pretty good actually.  And gpu is a 3070 vision OC. 

Your cpu may be bottlenecking your gpu a little. Honestly though, this is not the end of the world some make it out to be. Personally, I'd wait a year or until cpu prices drop and keep your gpu. I'd also seriously consider a b550 or b450 mb for future upgradability.

[freeagent]

I could say my 3770K is still ok too

 

If you have the cash and want to upgrade, do it. If you are happy with what you have, keep using it.. There is always more performance just around the corner.. the question is, do you want to wait or do you want to indulge?

[Mister Woof]

27 minutes ago, steelo said:

OBS has never worked well for me either...IMO, it isn't your hardware. What gpu are you using?

I am not a streamer/recorder myself, but it seems like a lot of people go the route of dedicated capture card or external system 

[heatonpkmassive]

Which board exactly? Mortar/Carbon? If it has decent enough VRMs and a non-beta BIOS that supports the 5000 series, then I'd be dropping a 5800x in there and stretching the life of that mofo. The MSI boards mostly had good enough VRMs if I recall correctly, with the odd outlier.

If it has weedy VRMs, forget it. Keep rockin your 3600, it's still a great chip. If your board does have decent enough power delivery though, I wouldn't go 6 core to 6 core, i.e. 3600 to 5600/5600x, I'd have to increase the cores to make it a more substantial upgrade. I went from a 3700x to a 5900x, was never considering a 5800x as that'd be slightly faster IPC but nothing more. I'm happy with the results.

[Guest]

I'd do a 5600X in that set up as well. It's a great chip! 

 

5800X will be too hot for your cooling. Hottest damn chip to throw money at unless you have an Intel equiv and the cooling to handle it. Be a 90c ride for your life and lots of throttles. 

 

THEN

 

We make these neat decisions, BUT YET NO TALK OF AM5!!!!

So would it be a regret thing to blow the money now, or save it up for a few months.

Second half for sure.... some talks of early as Q3 bro!

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-desktop-cpu-am5-platform-launch-earlier-than-expected/

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-details-its-next-gen-am5-socket/

 

Unfortunately, Linus and the Tech Tips guys don't really do news articles like this. Or I'd source a link from home base here.... but nah.

[Mark Kaine]

51 minutes ago, steelo said:

Your cpu may be bottlenecking your gpu a little. Honestly though, this is not the end of the world some make it out to be. Personally, I'd wait a year or until cpu prices drop and keep your gpu. I'd also seriously consider a b550 or b450 mb for future upgradability.

Thing is if it is i dont see it... even ROTTR on "max" settings does max. out the GPU before the CPU for example...

 

And if i check this stuff i do it like this... hard to miss something! 

(dont mind the weird usage or fps, its just Tomb Raider Anniversary  )

 

Thats not to say the CPU couldn't bottleneck at some point, but i didn't really see it yet in the games I play.*(of course something like handbrake may max it out 99-100%)

 

*ironically im pretty sure its a cpu bottleneck in that pic, but has to be an engine limitation imo.

 

14 minutes ago, heatonpkmassive said:

Which board exactly? Mortar/Carbon? If it has decent enough VRMs and a non-beta BIOS that supports the 5000 series, then I'd be dropping a 5800x in there and stretching the life of that mofo. The MSI boards mostly had good enough VRMs if I recall correctly, with the odd outlier.

its a mortar... not sure about the VRMs but they're probably ok?

 

And nah, msi always makes just beta bios for this stuff... the current none beta doesn't even support my cpu (afaik) lol...

 

honestly i probably should have clarified that i really just sometimes have issues with recording etc, and if i shouldn't better save up for a 8 core for that?

 

And yeah, AM5 around the corner... lol.

 

But i wanted to ask peoples opinions anyway cause the mobo just got support for 5000 series a few days ago (and yes its a beta, of course it is lol)

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, Guest 5150 said:

We make these neat decisions, BUT YET NO TALK OF AM5!!!!

So would it be a regret thing to blow the money now, or save it up for a few months.

Second half for sure.... some talks of early as Q3 bro!

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-desktop-cpu-am5-platform-launch-earlier-than-expected/

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-details-its-next-gen-am5-socket/

yeh, and next year "3d V-Cache" apparently!  OwO

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, freeagent said:

I could say my 3770K is still ok too

 

If you have the cash and want to upgrade, do it. If you are happy with what you have, keep using it.. There is always more performance just around the corner.. the question is, do you want to wait or do you want to indulge?

question is really more a 6c for a 6c?

 

and yeah, i probably should better save up for that 3d cache and ddr5 goodness  now that i think about it : D

 

on the other hand its "just" 200 bucks... lol!  

[Guest]

Just now, Mark Kaine said:

question is really more a 6c for a 6c?

 

and yeah, i probably should better savevup for that 3d cache and ddr5 goodness  now that i think about it : D

Yeah, I've got the AM4 buyers remorse. So the 2700X never got an upgrade. But with 7700K IPC (roughly) and paired with a 2060, it actually games 4K quite smoothly. That, I mean BeamNgDrive high detail and AI with 10 cars. It's a pretty stout chip. 350$ it cost me. 

 

So AM5, I'll probably put my cash there. But I don't have high expectations for Memory overclocking on first gen stuff. You can see that example with Intel's hardware right now. I think most people even on the 12000 series are sticking with DDR4 despite the better bandwidth. Which generally I look for in 3D benching but with at least half way decent timing sets.

[freeagent]

4 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

question is really more a 6c for a 6c?

 

and yeah, i probably should better save up for that 3d cache and ddr5 goodness  now that i think about it : D

 

on the other hand its just 200 bucks... lol!  

Why does everything have to be about moar cores?

 

As a regular user my 5600X is awesome. As an enthusiast, using a 5900X to game with is excessive, and just makes my fans spin. With my 5600 I can run the shit out of it if I so desire, and the system remains quiet. Super easy to cool.

[heatonpkmassive]

42 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

its a mortar... not sure about the VRMs but they're probably ok?

 

They're average, in that they can deal with the 3000 or 5000 series chips and get warm but don't throttle, VRMs do that too when they get too hot and when it happens, your CPU is starved of power meaning worse performance.

The VRMs on this board are functional, they don't throttle but they do get a bit toasty, between 50 and 70 Celsius. But that means I'd chuck an 8 core 5000 series into that board without issue, maybe getting better cooling as another poster suggested above and running at basic level/no PBO so as not to stress the power delivery.

You could do that, whether it's worth it or not depends on your use case. To the posters above saying why more cores, the OP is streaming and recording, more cores and better IPC is gonna likely smooth that out. 

Ultimately, if mainly gaming, I'd also be tempted to just hang onto the 3600 and make yourself more GPU dependent if your specs do indeed correctly state that you're running a 1080p monitor. Get a new monitor instead and up your resolution, CPU is less of a factor then for gaming and a new G-Sync compatible 1440p monitor would be a very nice upgrade.

[freeagent]

I don't even worry about VRM temps. My Strix -F doesn't have VRM monitoring, but it handled my 5900X just fine. My Strix XE has monitoring and my VRM is at like 35c when running Linpack Xtreme. But is usually in the low to mid twenties.