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Fixing what YouTube couldn’t.

James
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Been here since the topic didn't exist!

 

You didn't link the links down below the video.

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Being able to clean up these bots is sweet, sweet justice.

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Hrm interesting that it took so long for people to actually develop something like this for youtube. I wonder if it has something to do with google changing APIs every two months or so. 

Reddit for example has had a stable API for years resulting in the community making a lot of tools for moderators as the reddit mod tools by default are fairly barren. For example Automoderator is a bot that was originally made by a user, who was later hired by reddit an integrated it into reddit. It allows a ton of custom filters to be setup and also runs by default in the background. 

Personally, I have been involved in the developed of a  browser extension to also add a ton of this functionality. 

 

Anyway, it is great these sort of tools are now also created for youtube as it is clear that oftentimes the companies that should implement it don't do it themselves unless basically forced at gun point. 

 

Also the reason why youtube doesn't try harder is because it probably simply doesn't have enough priority as it doesn't negatively impact whatever KPIs they have set up. 

 

 

There aren't many subjects that benefit from binary takes on them in a discussion. Certainly not as the entirety of an argument.

Sure, they make things seem simple, but they rarely are. Most things we deal it are pretty complex. Even more useless are binary hot takes centered around a cherry-picked part of what someone said. 

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13 minutes ago, proximer said:

Been here since the topic didn't exist!

 

You didn't link the links down below the video.

Yeah lol 

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Does anyone have the adjusted scripts to report when it is not your own channel?

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The obfuscation technique used by ThioJoe for the obfuscation of regex patterns is awfully basic. The obfuscation methods used need to be improved upon; else, there is no point as bots will keep evolving.

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1 minute ago, perulez said:

Does anyone have the adjusted scripts to report when it is not your own channel?

Yes, its theres in the program from the release in the Github repo, make a discussion and I'll help you there.

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2 minutes ago, LamerGamerYT said:

The obfuscation technique used by ThioJoe for the obfuscation of regex patterns is awfully basic. The obfuscation methods used need to be improved upon; else, there is no point as bots will keep evolving.

Okay, firstly, here are @ThioJoe's words: IT DOES NOT PREVENT SPAMMERS - It only makes it easier to delete them when they show up! He knows that YouTube can do a much better job, he just made this to make it easy for content creators, and it is easy to delete comments if you use his tool! So, don't say its basic coz it is, but it does the job it needs to do.

 

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1 minute ago, KendallDoesCoding said:

Okay, firstly, here are @ThioJoe's words: IT DOES NOT PREVENT SPAMMERS - It only makes it easier to delete them when they show up! He knows that YouTube can do a much better job, he just made this to make it easy for content creators, and it is easy to delete comments if you use his tool! So, don't say its basic coz it is, but it does the job it needs to do.

 

I agree that it does not prevent spammers; instead, it makes it easier to delete their comments. The program, however, will make it easier to delete their comments only for a finite amount of time. That limited time reduces steeply if even a regular person like me can de-obfuscate the regex expressions used in less than five minutes.

 

All I'm saying is ThioJoe should improve upon the obfuscation techniques used.

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26 minutes ago, proximer said:

Been here since the topic didn't exist!

 

You didn't link the links down below the video.

Ikr, this was so sad :c

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1 minute ago, LamerGamerYT said:

I agree that it does not prevent spammers; instead, it makes it easier to delete their comments. The program, however, will make it easier to delete their comments only for a finite amount of time. That limited time reduces steeply if even a regular person like me can de-obfuscate the regex expressions used in less than five minutes.

 

All I'm saying is ThioJoe should improve upon the obfuscation techniques used.

Yup, I am sure he can improve the code, no say about that. If, your interested in contributing, be sure to check out: https://github.com/ThioJoe/YT-Spammer-Purge

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12 minutes ago, LamerGamerYT said:

The obfuscation technique used by ThioJoe for the obfuscation of regex patterns is awfully basic. The obfuscation methods used need to be improved upon; else, there is no point as bots will keep evolving.

Where in the files are they?

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4 minutes ago, Azzychan said:

Love how there are lots of porn spam in the comments already on this video.  

I love the fact that we can report the spammers, even when it isn't our channel.

Community action - that's how it should be.

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1 minute ago, GodAtum said:

Where in the files are they?

You can find them in this file. You might have to scroll down a bit though.

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It bothers me to see how well this video is being received, when there is so much misinformation/oversimplification in it.

 

This 3rd party filter isn't "better" than youtube's own, and doesn't do anything that the youtube filter can't. It's just that bots have an incentive to break the youtube filter, whereas they have no such incentive for a random 3rd party one, which only a minority of people will use.

 

Here's how the spam-fighting process works: you come up with a filter, implement it on your website, then bots will post literally tens of thousands of comments with different patterns until ONE of them bypasses your filters. Then that one pattern that was found to bypass your filters gets copy-pasted into every comment, until you have to add a new filter for it; and the cycle continues.

 

The only, and I repeat, only reason why this filter is "better" than youtube, is specifically because it's not implemented into youtube (and as such, hasn't had an incentive to be broken). if it were implemented into youtube, it would be broken in less than a few days. As a side note, you only see this filter run among the thousands of comments which bypassed youtube's (current) filters, completely disregarding the millions which were already blocked by it. You're not comparing filter A and filter B on a random sample to see which has better detection ratio, you're just running filter B on whatever bypassed filter A. That tells you nothing.

 

There are so many nuances about fighting spam and developing proper filters and techniques, it really bothers me to see this massive oversimplification get so much positive feedback. For example, it's very often beneficial to leave spam comments up for a few minutes and only delete them later. Why? Because as previously mentioned, "bots will post literally tens of thousands of comments with different patterns until ONE of them bypasses your filters". So if you let some comments randomly slip through (and only delete them later), you might trick some bots into believing their comments are not being caught by your filters, when in fact they are.

 

And none of this is being addressed in this video. It's just "look at how amazing this 3rd party filtering system is, which has never been attacked by real bots and has not been properly compared against youtube's defenses!". I don't know, I just got really triggered by this video.

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